Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 232. (Read 31941 times)

There is a lot of circulated news by some random source that Manny Pacquiao might return to the ring. I'm not sure if one of those is even close to becoming legit but for me personally, I think if Pacquiao will able to have some lots of spare time again, he will go back to ring in an exhibition match as the only reason he retires is that he seeks the presidency that requires full-time effort.

Let's wait and see.

Looks like John Riel Casimero doesn't like the idea of having a small bout first and climbing the rank again.

He requested to WBO that he should be assigned as a mandatory challenger for Paul Butler. That's the only way to face the current Bantamweight King Naoya Inoue who now unified the 3 bantamweight titles without fighting on any tune-up first.

I hope Casimero's request will be granted although if really granted, he should not waste his final chance to take a shot against Inoue and worked properly on his weight-related problems that keep him inactive for 2 fights already. That was alarming as it just shows that he is not fit to fight.

Well, Manny Pacquiao already retired in the boxing industry last year because he was already busy doing other works and the other reason is that he's running for president in the Philippines which eventually he lost last month. And as you stated, Manny Pacquiao is already an established business man, celebrity, a legend, a politician, and surely those things can support his family including his future grandkids.

We have a great fight at 115 lbs division. Bam Rodriguez against Srisaket Sor Rungvisai. There is no love for this weight division, but there are a lot of good and elite boxers here, namely Juan Francisco Estrada and Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez. I guess the savvy veteran in Srisaket Sor Rungvisai is not enough for a young lion like Rodriguez. Maybe in the future we will see unification as well, but we have separate champions in Martinez (IBF), Kazuto Iota (WBO) and Estrada (WBA and Ring). Rodriguez holds the WBC.

Here is the highlights of the fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPidwY7gRQo

Well, I really think Manny Pacquiao can surely retire early he establish himself as a businessman, a celebrity, a politician, and a Legend, so he can already support his family but the thing that drives him to still push himself to his limits despite his age was the glory he can give to our country, pretty much that drives Manny to be a great boxer and I think Bobby doesn't have that attribute, but I am not saying that boxing is not his passion I think the drives and mindset a boxer will give and the sacrifices Manny Pacquiao is ready to give his all,


The Problem is Bob Arum, doesn't want a Beterbiev versus Bivol fight, because Arum doesn't want to loan Artur Baterbiev to another promoter, and it could be a dead zone and nobody will watch it, and likely Beterbiev's good record will surely be tainted by the other promoter's boxer, so right now I surely am not in a good spirit that a Beterbiev vs Bivol fight would take place, it is impossible even if many fans really want that fight, I really think Bob Arum is just stubborn enough and really a selfish one,


Maybe I was wrong in an article that I have read, but surely enough Bob Arum really likes what would be profitable for him, and nothing more, a plan to really hype this fight and and giving those words that he doesn't like Beterbiev VS Bivol to happen but regarding that Bob Arum is a wise guy he surely know what is profitable and not,

The famous O2 arena and if I'm not mistaken, capacity is huge so good choice of venue for this big fight. And that is true, English love their boxers, recently Tyson Fury. And even if Yarde is not that famous like Tyson, for sure they will all come and watch him fight just for the support and of course they want them to upset Beterviev. Of course, Arum knows how big the money is going to be in this fight so him and Warren are going to talk without any issues. (greedy promoters).

Yes, this is a well orchestrated plan by Arum again, sort of manipulating the LHW because he has all the cards and it seems that he wants to stick it out with DAZN. Arum is a pure old school so he will go to ESPN but then again as mentioned, Beterviev is not PPV yet. Boxers like Crawford recently separated from Top Rank because they want to handle their career and doesn't want how Top Rank handle them (not getting the fights they wanted and the money.)

Oh really? That's good.  O2 arena is located in London, right? I believe that place will be full packed again as the English people are really fond and excited whenever they know that one of their best boxers are having a title fight. The venue will exactly produce good revenues for the both camps especially Bob Arum. Next up, Dmitrii Bivol next year.

There's only one great fighter in a family, so Bobby has to support his brother, and I think he already enters the politics too so he has found his place with the use of their money. Influence is what Pacman was able to achieve from his success in boxing, so even if he already retired in boxing, he is still very successful with his business and with the politics.

I really think it is also up to a person's mindset if he likes to pursue his dream if he had the passion to do it, then he will definitely Succeed, but if that spark would go just because of a 1 record lost then he or she doesn't have a mind to pursue, but a fragile mind that will eventually falter, Manny and Bobby might be brothers but they don't share the same mindset and the urge in really doing boxing, the same goes with John Riel Casimero's brother Jayson Casimero, John Riel Casimero have a solid will to pursue his goals in life while his brother didn't pursue much but had the experience in fighting in the ring, well, we all can become boxers but pretty much not all can attain the determination of well-known boxers now,


If this fight goes through I think it will be next year, but early in 2023, and this could be another test for Artur Beterbiev before he can face Dmitry Bivol, but I think Beterbiev is perfectly ready for Bivol, Anthony Yarde is just a stumbling block for him to go straight to Bivol I think this fight is not necessary they are just delaying the fight well I don't know they might want Beterbiev to age well for further weakening him but I am still going for Artur Beterbiev whatever happens,

Yes, this has been in the works already, Yarde as the mandatory and then the fight being in O2 arena, that will be huge fight specially for Yarde. And since Beterviev is not damage on his last fight with Smith, they can set this up right now, October is being the target date.

And then the winner getting Bivol, so definitely we want to have a scenario wherein two of the best in LHW will fight for unification, Beterviev and Bivol. Hopefully, Yarde won't cause any upset.

Exactly! It's easy to dream and have some goals to make money but if we're not capable on doing it as well as we have no passion then that goal is impossible to attain. Just like in boxing, many boxers who dreamt to carve their name but only few are choosen to do it.

As for Bobby Pacquiao, well, he tried but he can't exactly match his brothers talent in boxing so he gave it up and support Manny on his road to greatness. That's already good for the both of them because Manny had remained to carve their last name in the industry.

Yes mate, that's Manny Pacquiao. There's this rumor that both camps are in the talks regarding an exhibition fight between the two of them especially Manny as he's now free from politics after he was lost in the presidential race. I don't exactly know why their rematch didn't happen when it's clear that people wanted a rematch and money is already on the table for the two of them but suddenly they decided that a rematch is not possible anymore despite having some beefs with each other.

Yes, rumors has it that Artur Beterbiev will face Yarde first for a title defense possible after the Canelo-GGG trilogy and it's possible that an undisputed fight in light-heavyweight will happen next year, 2023. Bob Arum will milk first the remaining challenger in the said weightclass before he gives a go signal to his boy to go against Bivol for an undisputed fight, we know the Bob and that's the nearest scenario I can think of.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/6/23/23179727/artur-beterbiev-vs-anthony-yarde-will-be-next-bivol-fight-possible-early-2023-arum-boxing-news-2022

Yes Technically not all are born to be natural there are some that are gifted but they still need to have experience with that sports to be good at it, not all can achieve the greatness of a Manny Pacquaio, Nonito Donaire, in boxing without the given talent, I also think that if your goals in life were just to make money and the passion was not there in what you do, you will not be successful at all, I think that is some mistakes on some boxers here in the Phillippines that are just wishing to be rich with boxing but doesn't have the drive or the passion to do it,

And Bobby Pacquiao's case he surely had enough when he realized that there are now many losses than winning on his record, I think he lost the drive-in pursuit because boxing is not just meant Physically but Mentally aswell,


Nice find serjent05 those punches were really amazing if this kid hits you, his opponent is done for, with the fast pace and punching power like that he can surely shore great heights in his career, and at his age, there is still a lot of improvement for this kid, I surely just wish he wouldn't eventually gas out during the fight with Javier Fortuna if the fight goes the distance, but apparently, his fight with Emmanuel Tagoe has gone the distance and pretty much Garcia is ok with it, the fact that Emmanuel Tagoe was always running around have brought the fight to Unnanimous decision,

That's Bob Arum another way of not giving the boxing fans what we wanted. He is for the money and will milk Bivol again. So it will be Yarde in UK with big money flowing in his table. And if Arthur wins with another knockout, his name will grow more in the UK and then US. So there will be a demand for him to face Bivol who beat their US champion in Canelo. So more money for him, it's a trick but win-win situation for Top Rank. Doesn't matter if Beterviev is 38 years old, as long as he will continue to win and win with knockout, the hype will be there.

Bobby doesn't have the talent or maybe the work ethics of Manny that's why he didn't succeed. But he supported his brother throughout and we see him in Manny's fight so perhaps he realized that there could only be one Pacquiao that can make a name for themselves. And Manny maybe is destined to be this great and legend, once in a lifetime gem for Philippine boxing an from rag to riches story.

I looked up on Ryan Garcia's record and this is what I found out:

How quickly does Ryan Garcia finish his opponents? The 5 fastest Flash knockouts

1. 30 SECONDS VS. MIGUEL CARRIZOZA — SEP. 15, 2017; MGM GRAND MARQUEE BALLROOM, LAS VEGAS
2. 72 SECONDS VS. HECTOR GARCIA — JUNE 24, 2016
3. 74 SECONDS VS. MARIO MACIAS — JULY 15, 2017
4. 80 SECONDS VS. FRANCISCO FONSECA — FEB. 14, 2020
5. 94 SECONDS VS. EDGAR MEZA — JUNE 9, 2016

Javier Fortuna have 70% knock out ratio and with only 3 loses where 1 of them is knocked out.  This is an article^[1] that best describes the career of Javier Fortuna.  His last fight was won via KO.

Ryan Garcia is really a heavy hitter but looking at his opponent I think this is a match that can go to anyone.  It is a matter of who kisses the canvass first.  So I think Ryan Garcia need to be very careful here to not blemish his perfect record.

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[1] https://champinon.info/boxing/javier-fortuna/

Organizing it in later years will only put Beterbiev at the disadvantage corner, better let them get in the same ring while their skills and talent are still reap and it's fun to watch if both boxers are still on their primes. If the fight would materialize then for sure, that would be full-packed fight as well as the PPV revenues but I think Bob Arum is not ready to risk his best boxers yet especially Beterbiev who had a 100% KO rate with no losses. Unfortunately, Beterbieve will just grow old without getting a chance to be an undisputed boxer just like Crawford's career, might as well follow the latter's footstep like getting out of Tap Rank and be a free agent to get his much wanted fight.

Well, you got some points there. Some are also dreamt of getting famous being a boxing star and some have been successful enough but nowhere near Donaire and Pacquiao's legacy and some are also not that lucky to achieve their dream because it's easy to dream of it but it's hard to be one of those real boxers which we know today because only few really born to be a boxer in the industry.

Manny Pacquiao had a brother named Bobby Pacquiao who is also a professional boxer but the latter had to retire much earlier way back 2008 because his losses are almost coming close to his winnings and he's not getting some main event fight just like Manny had. That's probably one of the good examples that boxing is not for everyone even if boxing is one of those ways to escape poverty.