^^ It's Arthur Beterbiev.
And we have a separate thread about it, Beterbiev Vs Smith January 13 SATURDAY IBF / WBC / WBO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT Title. But in the undercard, I'm only familiar with Jason Moloney and his opponent Saul Sanchez has a decent record of 20-2 as per https://boxrec.com/cn/proboxer/746614. So this is going to be a good fight as Moloney is on a winning streak and going to defend the WBO belt he won against Astrolabio
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We have a high-profile boxing fight next week and here is the event for sure Artur Baterdiev is a strong boxer,
Beterbiev vs. Smith
DATE: Saturday 01/13/2024
TIME: 09:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Top Rank
VENUE: Videotron Centre
LOCATION: Quebec City, Quebec
MAIN EVENT
Artur Beterbiev VS Callum Smith
MAIN CARD
Christian Mbilli VS Rohan Murdock
Jason Moloney VS Saul Sanchez
Imam Khataev VS Rodolfo Gomez Jr
Leila Beaudoin VS Elizabeth Chavez
Christopher Guerrero VS Sergio Garcia
Mehmet Unal VS Dragan Lepei
Moreno Fendero VS Victor Hugo Florea
The Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/104337-beterbiev-vs-smith
robelneo Thread in the Forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beterbiev-vs-smith-january-13-saturday-ibf-wbc-wbo-light-heavyweight-title-5454259
Beterbiev vs. Smith
DATE: Saturday 01/13/2024
TIME: 09:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Top Rank
VENUE: Videotron Centre
LOCATION: Quebec City, Quebec
MAIN EVENT
Artur Beterbiev VS Callum Smith
MAIN CARD
Christian Mbilli VS Rohan Murdock
Jason Moloney VS Saul Sanchez
Imam Khataev VS Rodolfo Gomez Jr
Leila Beaudoin VS Elizabeth Chavez
Christopher Guerrero VS Sergio Garcia
Mehmet Unal VS Dragan Lepei
Moreno Fendero VS Victor Hugo Florea
The Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/104337-beterbiev-vs-smith
robelneo Thread in the Forum: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/beterbiev-vs-smith-january-13-saturday-ibf-wbc-wbo-light-heavyweight-title-5454259
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.
Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck. It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.
So there is a possibility and we could have seen this in the past already.
And we might also bank on Inoue's manager as a Japanese that can easily make this negotiations easy and of course, if the money is right. We will just have to wait as there could be twist and turns, just saying.
@Ziskinberg. It would be headshaking to think Casimero would win against Inoue in his prime ehehehe. It would be something similar to saying some boxer in super featherweight would win against Pacman during his prime. However, it might not be a good comparison because much of Pacman's opponents were good fighters who could win against him also.
Also because we are given the impression that Inoue's team wants their fighter to fight in Las Vegas then Luis Nery would be the best opponent to promote for an American audience. Nery lost only to Brandon Figueroa.
Also because we are given the impression that Inoue's team wants their fighter to fight in Las Vegas then Luis Nery would be the best opponent to promote for an American audience. Nery lost only to Brandon Figueroa.
I support John Riel Casimero but against Naoya Inoue, he will end up just like Marlon Tapales, we can not take away from John Riel Casimero that his fight IQ, although Naoya Inoue also has his fight IQ, was shattered when he fights Nonito Donaire their 1st fight he didn't imagine that Donaire could withstand his punches and that liver shots that are why he only got 3 Decision win because he got high Knockout power, so for sure Naoya Inoue would win this but he can not underestimate Casimero,
Indeed, there's no problem even he will secure smaller percentage of total share as long as he will get his chance to fight Inoue and show to the world that he really have that fighting capabilities to beat the monster, that's everything as if he achieved that goal his value will surely increase, that's Inoue and his name is currently hot right? beating someone like him would bring you on top and for sure pomoters will offer huge amount of money on your next fight.
The pressure is on Inoue, he got lot of things to lose in case Casimero manage to bring him down, let see if there's pressure to push this possibility and wait if Inoue's camp will agree.
For sure they can choose what to do, and who is Inoue's next opponent, but for sure if there is a challenge for Naoya Inoue and there is big cash involved Naoya and his team can surely choose what to pick because Casimero is just there and poking the Undisputed and saying that he is a Japanese turtle (meaning keeps on picking a fight) it is still not clear if Casimero can defeat Inoue for sure,
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.
Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck. It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.
All roads to Inoue and I do agree that 70/30 split is already fair for Inoue. But that its if Top Rank or the Japanese manager of Inoue wanted Casimero. But so far Casimero doesn't have anything to bring in the negotiable table, he is not a champion, neither the mandatory challenger for any belt of Inoue.
And so with that, I think we could all agree that Neri is really the front runner for the sweepstakes race for a Inoue fight.
The good thing is that the fight is likely to be held outside of Japan and it could be better if Inoue will go back to USA and show his talent their. It's not that they haven't seen Inoue, but in the last 4 fights of his, he has broken at least in the top 3 pound for pound and American fans should witnessed him live.
In terms of split, I think Casimero would not mind if he will get a small percentage of the total. His goal now is to prove to the world that he could beat Inoue, he isn't a champion anymore so it's already an opportunity if Inoue will fight him.
The real jackpot price here is if he beats Inoue, that would certainly make the world recognize Casimero as the best in the Super Bantamweight, and all Inoue's hype will die, which I think there's a lot at stake for Inoue in this fight, and I would understand if he would not fight Casimero because the latter has a decent chance of beating him.
Indeed, there's no problem even he will secure smaller percentage of total share as long as he will get his chance to fight Inoue and show to the world that he really have that fighting capabilities to beat the monster, that's everything as if he achieved that goal his value will surely increase, that's Inoue and his name is currently hot right? beating someone like him would bring you on top and for sure pomoters will offer huge amount of money on your next fight.
The pressure is on Inoue, he got lot of things to lose in case Casimero manage to bring him down, let see if there's pressure to push this possibility and wait if Inoue's camp will agree.
@Ziskinberg. It would be headshaking to think Casimero would win against Inoue in his prime ehehehe. It would be something similar to saying some boxer in super featherweight would win against Pacman during his prime. However, it might not be a good comparison because much of Pacman's opponents were good fighters who could win against him also.
Also because we are given the impression that Inoue's team wants their fighter to fight in Las Vegas then Luis Nery would be the best opponent to promote for an American audience. Nery lost only to Brandon Figueroa.
Also because we are given the impression that Inoue's team wants their fighter to fight in Las Vegas then Luis Nery would be the best opponent to promote for an American audience. Nery lost only to Brandon Figueroa.
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.
Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck. It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.
All roads to Inoue and I do agree that 70/30 split is already fair for Inoue. But that its if Top Rank or the Japanese manager of Inoue wanted Casimero. But so far Casimero doesn't have anything to bring in the negotiable table, he is not a champion, neither the mandatory challenger for any belt of Inoue.
And so with that, I think we could all agree that Neri is really the front runner for the sweepstakes race for a Inoue fight.
The good thing is that the fight is likely to be held outside of Japan and it could be better if Inoue will go back to USA and show his talent their. It's not that they haven't seen Inoue, but in the last 4 fights of his, he has broken at least in the top 3 pound for pound and American fans should witnessed him live.
In terms of split, I think Casimero would not mind if he will get a small percentage of the total. His goal now is to prove to the world that he could beat Inoue, he isn't a champion anymore so it's already an opportunity if Inoue will fight him.
The real jackpot price here is if he beats Inoue, that would certainly make the world recognize Casimero as the best in the Super Bantamweight, and all Inoue's hype will die, which I think there's a lot at stake for Inoue in this fight, and I would understand if he would not fight Casimero because the latter has a decent chance of beating him.
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.
Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck. It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.
All roads to Inoue and I do agree that 70/30 split is already fair for Inoue. But that its if Top Rank or the Japanese manager of Inoue wanted Casimero. But so far Casimero doesn't have anything to bring in the negotiable table, he is not a champion, neither the mandatory challenger for any belt of Inoue.
And so with that, I think we could all agree that Neri is really the front runner for the sweepstakes race for a Inoue fight.
The good thing is that the fight is likely to be held outside of Japan and it could be better if Inoue will go back to USA and show his talent their. It's not that they haven't seen Inoue, but in the last 4 fights of his, he has broken at least in the top 3 pound for pound and American fans should witnessed him live.
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice.
Casimero's camp can't make an offer here, they aren't the one dictating the negotiation as they are the desperate to fight Inoue to make a decent paycheck. It's still up to Inoue, but based on their status now, I think %70/30% split is already fair enough, of course in favor of Inoue.
Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.
Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.
And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.
Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)
They are comparing him to Pacman as he's following the footpronts of Pacman, trying to keep winning in different divisions but in today's era where there are so many fighters who can beat him in different division, not sure if they are willing to bring him up, he's the current cashcow so for sure his handlers will make a good use of it, his next opponent will be for making money as he's now holding all he belts and if he decide to keep it and stay in his current divsion,
there's a chance that money wise, they might bring's Casimero's name in the table as there are fans who would love to see them fighting to prove who's better among them.
If there is a demand, or if the Japanese manager of Casimero makes a offer that the camp of Inoue can't refuse. But so far, there are reports that Neri is already their chosen opponent for Inoue next and Casimero is only their 3rd choice. Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.
Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.
And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.
Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)
They are comparing him to Pacman as he's following the footpronts of Pacman, trying to keep winning in different divisions but in today's era where there are so many fighters who can beat him in different division, not sure if they are willing to bring him up, he's the current cashcow so for sure his handlers will make a good use of it, his next opponent will be for making money as he's now holding all he belts and if he decide to keep it and stay in his current divsion,
there's a chance that money wise, they might bring's Casimero's name in the table as there are fans who would love to see them fighting to prove who's better among them.
There was a New Year fight in Japan,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU
It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.
So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU
It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.
So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.
Salute to the boxers who agreed to battle in the New Year. Josber Perez traveled far from Valenzuela to Japan. The two boxers were on a consistent eating regimen and were preparing hard. They were unable to enjoy the Christmas Day celebrations because they were required to sacrifice. Furthermore, after the battle, they presumably cannot eat well with swollen jaws and other damage from their bodies.
I have not heard from Estrada for some time. To my understanding, he had no belt as of now. The bantamweight division is compelling again after Naoya Inoue left and went to another class. Perhaps Ioka and Estrada can move and join the party.
I'm not sure if even Casimero believes this. Fulton held two world titles when Inoue beat him as did Marlon Tapales. I don't see how Casimero can be above them when he holds zero world championships and didn't look great in his previous fight against an unranked opponent. At this stage in his career the only motivation for still chasing an Inoue fight is the possibility of a seven figure payday. If we're being realistic, his chances of beating Inoue are really slim.
Well, even though I am Filipino and want John Riel Casimero to win against Naoya Inoue, I agree with you my doubt just increased after I saw his fight with Naoya Inoue's training partner that was the time when I thought John Riel Casimero was just bluffing in saying he can take on Naoya Inoue or maybe he is also bluffing that he can not handle the Sparring Partner of Naoya Inoue but for sure If he does that Naoya Inoue would never want to fight him because he doesn't have a belt that a Naoya Inoue would want,
Devin Haney is a distant 3rd for me. His win against Loma wasn't convincing. It's a tossup between Inoue and Crawford. Inoue was more active and won all 4 belts in a year. Although I consider Spence a manufactured champion who was protected from Crawford for many years, due to PBC's influence with the sanctioning bodies, he was still highly regarded. Crawford beating him so brutally gives him a slight edge over Inoue in my opinion.
His fight with Lomachenco was a banger Vasiliy Lomachenko has the speed his jab was so fast that he could surely get to Devin Haney but for sure the defense of Devin Haney was so tight and he could surely get his counter but that fight you can clearly see that Vasiliy Lomachenko is winning the fight the announcers also are shouting Lomachenko's name it was a controversial result on why there are so many strikes for Lomachenko but still Devin haney was the Victory
Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.
And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.
Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)
And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.
Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)
probably the camp of Inoue has seen something after that fight of John Riel Casimero against the sparring partner of Naoya Inoue they are clear that Inoue is not needed to fight Casimero, as it doesn't do any great against his sparring Partner then they already think that Casimero would not be able to defeat Inoue, and that Casimero doesn't have the interest of Inoue because he doesn't have the target belt,
There was a New Year fight in Japan,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU
It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.
So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I24uyZEYkWU
It's Kazuto Ioka vs Josber Perez, and as per the video it was a war, both throwing a lot of leather, but Ioka win the end, scoring 3 knockdowns.
So maybe we can see Ioka again next year probably fighting Estrada for unification.
Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.
Inoue's camp probably thinking that Casimero is not worthy as an opponent because he was impressive on his previous fights, but during the time when Casimero was doing great, they didn't even bother to talk about fighting him, so they can't blame the fans of Casimero to think that they are just dodging Casimero.
And some people thought that Inoue is greater than Pacman, they are wrong.
Inoue is 30 years old, let's try to make a research on the fighterst that Pacman beat when he is at his 30's.
Checked his fights 2008 and below. (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/6129)
The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.
There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well. But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.
Though watching Casimero from his previous fight he's no longer the same Champ that fans really loves to see inside the ring, but for sure if things happen to his direction and give that opportunity to face Inoue, I'm pretty sure that he will still give that confrontation and possible to shake Inoue, like what you just said, Casimero is also a heavy puncher and not afraid in any face to face exchanges of punches he loves that way of fighting too.
Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?
Yes, Emanuel Navarrete fought 3 times this year.
You can look https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/602423
Thanks for the headsup, I also don't have that idea that a fighter can deal with his training but you bring this up.
All the boxers that Inoue had defeated is not on Casimero's level because the opponents of Casimero that he beat are very quality fighters.
I'm not sure if even Casimero believes this. Fulton held two world titles when Inoue beat him as did Marlon Tapales. I don't see how Casimero can be above them when he holds zero world championships and didn't look great in his previous fight against an unranked opponent. At this stage in his career the only motivation for still chasing an Inoue fight is the possibility of a seven figure payday. If we're being realistic, his chances of beating Inoue are really slim.
Since we are almost at the end of the year, who do you think should be the Boxer of the year?
Here are the list of candidates:
1. Terrence Crawford - beat Spence, another pound for pound boxer, and then captured and unified all the belts at 147 lbs?
2. Devin Haney - undisputed at 130 lbs beat Loma, move up in weight and then dominated Prograis to win the WBC belt?
3. Naoya Inoue - move up in weight, challenge the best champion at 122 lbs in Stephen Fulton, then unified the belt against Marlon Tapales, second man to do so, unifying belts in 4 belt era in 2 different weight classes, second only to Crawford.
Here are the list of candidates:
1. Terrence Crawford - beat Spence, another pound for pound boxer, and then captured and unified all the belts at 147 lbs?
2. Devin Haney - undisputed at 130 lbs beat Loma, move up in weight and then dominated Prograis to win the WBC belt?
3. Naoya Inoue - move up in weight, challenge the best champion at 122 lbs in Stephen Fulton, then unified the belt against Marlon Tapales, second man to do so, unifying belts in 4 belt era in 2 different weight classes, second only to Crawford.
Devin Haney is a distant 3rd for me. His win against Loma wasn't convincing. It's a tossup between Inoue and Crawford. Inoue was more active and won all 4 belts in a year. Although I consider Spence a manufactured champion who was protected from Crawford for many years, due to PBC's influence with the sanctioning bodies, he was still highly regarded. Crawford beating him so brutally gives him a slight edge over Inoue in my opinion.
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Boxing politics often deprives us of seeing great matchups but if these Saudi events have shown us anything it's that promoters are capable of putting their differences aside. Bivol and Beterbiev are not very popular fighters. Maybe it's because of their nationality or because of their personality but they just don't sell. This has made it hard for them to reach an agreement because promoters don't want to lose money. It might come down to whether the Saudis or another rich Middle Eastern country is willing to bankroll this fight. I think this would be the prefect co-main event for something like Joshua vs Ngannou in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.
For sure those Saudi Arabian wants a decent fight to behold but as you have said they don't know maybe Dmitry Bivol or maybe Artur Beterbiev will be sure if they can make a great boxing event these two are a real deal and could potentially make a decent amount of profit when done perfectly as for sure there are promoters that will surely pay for a decent boxing fight but for sure both their promoters will surely request something that the other will not like so that is the hard part for the Dmitry Bivol VS Artur Beterbiev fight to attain, it got plenty of requests and in the end both parties will just not agree but imagine the possibilities,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw0IpVRHZmw
Actually, this video was a month ago and I have just recently seen it today, for sure we all know that Tyson Fury just recently had a bout against Francis Ngannou and was kind of shocked by what Ngannou can do to him, in actuality I think Tyson Fury did underestimate Francis Ngannou and what he can do with boxing gloves and from that day on, Francis Ngannou has proven that an MMA fighter can surely get it done with a boxer in a boxing ring, but for sure this is in the Heavyweight division what if it is on the fast pace division but Conor McGregor can not do it, while this is the first time an MMA fighter proves everyone wrong, well February 17, 2024, will be the date for Tyson Fury VS Oleksandr Usyk fight I don't know if that was move or this is indeed the date because of the Press Conference video,
The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.
There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well. But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.
Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?
Yes, Emanuel Navarrete fought 3 times this year.
You can look https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/602423
The planned third title defense will be against Johnreil Casimero, a 3-division world champion. Inoue and Casimero were scheduled already to unify their belts when the pandemic of COVID-19 happened. It was canceled but it seems like they are destined to really face each other.
There's so much hype on this third potential match of Inoue on 2024. If this is already on the books, then we will have to wait because I think that he's going to beat Casimero as well. But as long as it's not yet official and confirmed because it's still far and too many things can still happen within the period of time.
Honestly, three matches for a year, that's a lot IMO. Are there any other professional boxers that have fought three times a year or more than that?
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