Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 71. (Read 31638 times)

Bob Arum has already said that Shakur will fight Lomachenco, just don't know when but I think that is doable since both fighters are under his wings. I just hope though the fight between Loma and Shakur is for the championship belt since Haney has already moved up to 140lbs.

With regards to Tanks Davis, it would be interesting to see him go down a bit, maybe to 130lbs to meet Inoue, that would be a massive fight if Bob Arum would agree.

Haney is not with PBC, he is a free agent. He even tried to negotiate a fight with Shakur but made a ridiculous lowball offer that shows he is not serious in wanting to fight him. Tank is the one with PBC but his most recent fight was against a Golden Boy/DAZN fighter, Ryan Garcia. If Tank really wants to fight Shakur, that fight would get made. Too bad Tank only seems interested in in-house mismatches or Instagram influencers with strict rehydration clauses.

This kind of strategy is possibly imposed by AJ's camp or the authority that favors AJ.  Since, if AJ loses the fight, they have leeway to refute the winnings since Helenius is found positive after the test.  I also can't deny thinking that this kind of action is possibly some conspiracy between AJ's camp and the authority to refute the winnings of Helenius if happens.  They are lucky that there is no need to do that because AJ won the fight.


Yeah, blood testing should be done early and the result of the test before the fight.  I think they wanted to create some controversy on the incident to create another rematch making it more sensationalized due to the banned substance being positive on Helenius test but alas they do not have to do it because AJ won the fight.

I see your point and it's valid, what if he wins against Joshua then findings like this happened, so it might be a waste for him since that issue will void the win. Good thing that Joshua still take this fight away from him and after that the issue was been proven, it's his journey now to contest that findings and clean his name so he can find ways to come back and try his chance again to step inside the ring and make some good hypes to his career.

^ I don't think that they are afraid of Shakur, it's just boxing politics, Shakur is with Top Rank and Haney is with PBC. So it's hard to make that fights assuming this so boxing promotions doesn't want to work which each other.
On the other hand, I read that Shakur will have a incoming fight already, name Frank Martin.

On the losses of the Filipino against the the Puerto Rican, from what I read, it's more of that Diagan was broken down mentally by Collazo and that's why he quit and doesn't want to fight anymore.

Well, sometimes a fighter can Become very good and if he is in MMA it is Something that many can even support him , I do not doubt it , I think that some things can happen just as they believe , I am a little more focused on the reality of things , for me a normal fighter should not switch to boxing so Quickly, because they can Receive so much punishment and they can give him a good Knockout and he will not notice, the fights in the UFC can be seen as very Good , violets and eus e They hit hard, but I don't know if you have realized that the fighters who win the most in the UFC are the ones who dominate the blows with the anuses the most, that is , as a boxer, they use their hands more than kicks , and that is Something that is note Leagues Away , so a fighter of a fighting Category like this I consider that he should Train as a boxer at least for About 6 months in a row and every day , and that still will not decrease at a Level Compared to Facing a Tank Davis.

And:

'HE DOESN'T WANT TO FIGHT ME!' Shakur Stevenson on Gervonta Davis & Devin Haney




Source: https://www.saddoboxing.com/64428-he-doesnt-want-to-fight-me-shakur-stevenson-on-gervonta-davis-devin-haney.html

What they say is interesting, honestly it is a very big update on these guys, now, with respect to Davis, it is something we can all skeptic that things can be favorable for him, because he is a born boxer , on the other hand, four people who know go regardless of any fighting style , no matter how good you are at boxing, things change a lot , boxers tend to be tougher , tougher and endure stronger blows than them , it's a special characteristic, besides that the trainings are very hard, I say that because I practiced this sport, it is a beautiful sport, but in reality it is not for everyone, apart from the fact that you will always have the option of receiving blows to the head , face , and this can be quite hard for some , if there is not good Genetics I could He is knocked out very Easily, while a boxer is used to these blows , and his Training does not make him Harder.

Unfortunately, Diagan didn't live up to the hype of his nickname as Collazo put a damage on him, and with that, he retains the belt in PR.

So it's no mas for Diagan he didn't go out in after the 6th and it was over. It was a good showing by Collazo though specially in the 4th and 5th round wherein he corner Hellboy and throw everything and even snap the head of Diagan. Surprised that Diagan was able to withstand it, but it seems that he knows what's coming to him and so his corner stop it.

But it defeated the purpose of drug test though? I mean they allow him to fight AJ already and the purpose is to supposedly caught the offending party before he can fight. So what if he wins by chance against AJ and then found guilty afterwards.

I have nothing against this blood testing, but it should be early that they will to caught the boxer itself before stepping up in the ring, just saying. And it's good that AJ won, because if not, then it's going to be complicated here.

If he was not under any kind of influence, how can he get tested positive though? And I think everyone is going to say that they are not under any kind of influence/taken drugs ever. But they are also getting tested positive.

So I don’t think it is actually a very good idea for anyone to actually trust what they are saying about, not doing any kind of drugs or taking any performance-enhancing substance. I am not trying to disrespect any fighter. I am just trying to say that this has happened before and this is also definitely the only way to prove if he is taking anything or not.

What can you say though about Robert Helenius being tested positive for a ban substance when he fought Joshua. If we can recall, it was supposedly Dillian Whyte as the original opponent of AJ but he was tested as well.


https://www.badlefthook.com/2023/8/25/23846579/robert-helenius-tests-positive-banned-substance-leading-into-anthony-joshua-fight-boxing-news-2023

But as usual Helenius says that he hasn't done any drugs and that he is innocent of what has been accused of him and he also said that he is not a cheater as he has been tested throughout his career.

Well, yes, he still do have an existing contract with the UFC and that means he couldn't have a fight in other sports industry even without Dana's words as the contract itself is already there. Furthermore, I don't think as well that Gervonta Davis is likely to accept any offer from SugaSean as he might not be inclined for a circus fight this time and SugaSean will not ring any bell in the boxing world because he's still a new fighter and of course will have a hard time if a fight will happen.

It will be too clear what would be the motive of the fight and so, there will be no hype in it because people will not be expecting something good in their fight.

^ To be honest I'm not familiar with both fighters. But if the champion was able to get back the title from another Filipino, it means that he is very tough boxer.
So if by chance this "Hellboy" wanted to wrestle back the title, then for sure he will need everything he got and maybe we can say that he needs to be very lucky winning in the homecourt of the champion here.
Nevertheless, we will give him a puncher's chance and see if he can promise and bring the belt back to his Philippines.

We will have another Filipino fighting for a world title here:



https://www.boxingscene.com/photos-oscar-collazo-garen-diagan-set-wbo-title-clash-puerto-rico--177221

It's for the WBO Mini Flyweight, Oscar "El Pupilo" Collazo vs PH Garen "Hellboy" Diagan

If you will remember, Collazo knockout the former champion, another Filipino Melvin Jerusalem to get that belt. Now he has to defend it against another Filipino in Diagan. I know it's going to be tough for Garen as he will have to travel to Puerto Rico, hometown of Collazo. But hopefully he can bring back the title to the Philippines again.

Dana White may intervene but if the amount of money is something that he can't resist, we may see the fight to take place, my take is if pride will take place, Davis might accept it knowing his edge against Sean and humiliating him in front of many eyes, that's something that Davis may take inside his mind.

Though it's not ours to decide, still depends if there's negotiation and if promoters will bring things into the table.

More on the business side though, if the price is right there's no one can stop things from happening, both sides for sure will take it and work things out to take place.

It's going to be a wrong move though for SugaSean if he wanted to fight Davis right away. He should stay on his path, in UFC and then defend his belt and that's where he should chase his greatness first before going out and look for money fights.

For sure, Dana White is not going to let this thing specially if he had a huge contract with UFC. Maybe if he doesn't have any contract, but for sure, Davis is not interested here, he will just focus on his boxing career and win some real belts.

If this fight is officially happen, I will not surprised to see Sean O'Malley will not extend UFC contract and move to boxing or another MMA promotion that give him a way to fight in boxing. Maybe he can stay in UFC, proving if he's really worth with his title and make a big fight with Conor. But that big money is only fight with Conor, while boxing he can take many matches and make a lot money in every matches.

Yes, there's no other reasons other than money on why would SugaSean try to call out Tank Davis. To be frank, he is way too early to make this step because he haven't made a name in his own field yet which is also a reason why would Tank accept his invitation. There are way more challenges in his current career that he needs to face and jumping towards other sports industry is certainly not an answer because eventually, he will lose himself as money is his only motivation.

Hehehehehe King Ry is making me laugh and shake my head. It appears that after his loss to Tank Davis, he is trying to find his own opportunity to get the easiest opponent with the possbility to get a big purse and get his name back in favor with the boxing community and the sports news media hehehee.

If he did not fight Tank Davis, I reckon Suga Sean would have been a better fight fight for Ryan Garcia competitively, financially and for his career. It would have been a positive for him in everything.

Oh yeah, I remember that name, not sure what happen though? the fight might have been cancelled obviously as Manny is moving on to fight another MMA fighter from Thailand.

We really don't see the reasons why they need to hype though, I mean Floyd fighting someone in a weeks notice and we haven't heard the name of his opponent. Maybe Manny doesn't like the idea or he is just busy with this duty in the Philippines. But now he has time so he has scheduled it against Buakaw and for a good price money on the line.

It's all about the money mate, we have seen the precedent with Conor McGregor fighting Floyd and it did bring Conor huge money. So he wanted to follow Conor's footsteps this early. And so he challenge Tank Davis but I doubt that Tank will simply bite on that call.

But I do agree that SugaSean should stay on his own lane right way, he should proved his greatness first in the UFC and become the face of it since Conor is already out of the league and becoming a businessman. And for sure Dana White will not be approving that cross fight if SugaSean requested it.