[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 102.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on September 28, 2021, 05:19:50 PM

I think we will see that in the very near future once both camps fulfill their obligatory defenses. But on the note of the published letter, I thought Casimero is already under MP Promotions but on the letter, it is TGB Promotions. Am just confused who is really handling his career now?

AFAIK Casimero is still with the MP Promotions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I understand with these companies with the articles that I've read is that TGB promotions is for Casimero.

I don't know what happened but maybe there's a shift with Casimero's promotion and it's the one that's going to handle this. I have no other info about this settlement with their promotions.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

I think we will see that in the very near future once both camps fulfill their obligatory defenses. But on the note of the published letter, I thought Casimero is already under MP Promotions but on the letter, it is TGB Promotions. Am just confused who is really handling his career now?

He is still under with MP promotions and I think this fight is under with three promotions since this was address to 3 management to make this fight happen.

See this article https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/401926/wbo-orders-casimero-to-fight-uks-butler this is the explanation about Casimero and Butler fight.

If Casimero can take this fight for sure in future we can see those great fights to happen next year.

Knowing that there’s a 3 management taking this fight, it looks like there’s a big money here. Is there any final date for this match? We still have 3 months left before the end of 2021. Anyway, There’s a huge market already for Casimero and if he wins on this match, his popularity will increase as well so this is a good chance for Casimero to do his best.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

I think we will see that in the very near future once both camps fulfill their obligatory defenses. But on the note of the published letter, I thought Casimero is already under MP Promotions but on the letter, it is TGB Promotions. Am just confused who is really handling his career now?

He is still under with MP promotions and I think this fight is under with three promotions since this was address to 3 management to make this fight happen.

See this article https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/401926/wbo-orders-casimero-to-fight-uks-butler this is the explanation about Casimero and Butler fight.

If Casimero can take this fight for sure in future we can see those great fights to happen next year.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

I think we will see that in the very near future once both camps fulfill their obligatory defenses. But on the note of the published letter, I thought Casimero is already under MP Promotions but on the letter, it is TGB Promotions. Am just confused who is really handling his career now?

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

It could be the organization is just delaying the inevitable, sooner or later the fight are going to happen with Donaire, Inoue, and Casimero. Maybe the organization just wanted to give the mandatory a shot for their belt. So yeah it could be disappointing, but this is the rule and business of boxing. They really need to force this mandatory fights otherwise the champion are threaten to be strip of their belt or vacant it if they don't want to fight their mandatory.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

Dont know if this was on purpose or just simply they do really follow up some system on making out fight decisions or line ups despite of the hype or interest of the fans/community.
We cant really remove into our minds that whenever that theres hype then it do really means that it would really be a good revenue for both boxers and the promoters/org.
There's nothing we can do but to wait up for the fight to be arranged in near future but for now they would really need to face those who had been set out.

Fighters wont really be having any choice when it comes to these mandatory fights,neither they would fight or would lose up their belt.

As stated.
In professional boxing and some other combat sports, a mandatory challenger is an opponent whom a champion must either fight or be forced to vacate their title as champion. A mandatory defence is the opposite of a voluntary defence, where the champion may fight an opponent who might offer greater revenue potential than a mandatory challenger

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_challenger

That's a direct order from the organization that give the belt, these two champions could choose not to fight their mandatory challenger but giving up their belt would hurt them as their value as a boxer might drop as well and that would not result in a big fight next time. As aggressive as they are in challenging Inoue, they should consider this fight as a serious threat and again win a convincing fight and their main goal will be realized soon.

Its just dumb that they would reject out mandatory and taking risk of their belt that they've been thriving for wayback.Of course this would really make their value more lower which every boxer doesnt really like to happen.

Whether they do like it or not then they would need to follow on whats mandated for them to fight on.So lets just enjoy on what they are preparing into.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

Dont know if this was on purpose or just simply they do really follow up some system on making out fight decisions or line ups despite of the hype or interest of the fans/community.
We cant really remove into our minds that whenever that theres hype then it do really means that it would really be a good revenue for both boxers and the promoters/org.
There's nothing we can do but to wait up for the fight to be arranged in near future but for now they would really need to face those who had been set out.

Fighters wont really be having any choice when it comes to these mandatory fights,neither they would fight or would lose up their belt.

As stated.
In professional boxing and some other combat sports, a mandatory challenger is an opponent whom a champion must either fight or be forced to vacate their title as champion. A mandatory defence is the opposite of a voluntary defence, where the champion may fight an opponent who might offer greater revenue potential than a mandatory challenger

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_challenger

That's a direct order from the organization that give the belt, these two champions could choose not to fight their mandatory challenger but giving up their belt would hurt them as their value as a boxer might drop as well and that would not result in a big fight next time. As aggressive as they are in challenging Inoue, they should consider this fight as a serious threat and again win a convincing fight and their main goal will be realized soon.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

Dont know if this was on purpose or just simply they do really follow up some system on making out fight decisions or line ups despite of the hype or interest of the fans/community.
We cant really remove into our minds that whenever that theres hype then it do really means that it would really be a good revenue for both boxers and the promoters/org.
There's nothing we can do but to wait up for the fight to be arranged in near future but for now they would really need to face those who had been set out.

Fighters wont really be having any choice when it comes to these mandatory fights,neither they would fight or would lose up their belt.

As stated.
In professional boxing and some other combat sports, a mandatory challenger is an opponent whom a champion must either fight or be forced to vacate their title as champion. A mandatory defence is the opposite of a voluntary defence, where the champion may fight an opponent who might offer greater revenue potential than a mandatory challenger

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_challenger

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

Dont know if this was on purpose or just simply they do really follow up some system on making out fight decisions or line ups despite of the hype or interest of the fans/community.
We cant really remove into our minds that whenever that theres hype then it do really means that it would really be a good revenue for both boxers and the promoters/org.
There's nothing we can do but to wait up for the fight to be arranged in near future but for now they would really need to face those who had been set out.

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Quote from: Obito on September 27, 2021, 09:35:01 PM

Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

Not a very good decision from the organization in my opinion. The fans have been eagerly waiting for a Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire fight but they match him up against Butler. I, for myself, have so longed for the Donaire vs Casimero fight because that would be such a high voltage match. Pretty disappointed in the matchmaking system. Hope they will match Casimero against Donaire or at least against Inoue.

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Didn't expect this one, I thought everyone including me is expecting a Donaire vs Casimero or Inoue vs Casimero since those two fighters have a beef with Casimero, and then the organization butts in and gets Butler to fight Casimero, this will only piss off the two because they expect one of them will fight Casimero.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 27, 2021, 08:33:15 PM

Actually we did see Casimero 100% in his last match, it's that Rigo is not a willing dance partner and just keep on running the whole fight.

Yeah, he's willing to go blow by blow but Rigo have other things in mind and not willing to dance with Casimero's way of fighting.

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Which frustrate not only Casimero but us boxing fans because we are used to seeing Casimero knocking out his opponent with big blows.

If Rigo tried to counter and fight the same hype as Casimero, we might witness a knockout, but it's been avoided. Rigo doesn't want that.

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So yeah, hopefully Butler won't run in this fight and would go toe to toe with the champion to make it an entertaining fight.

We will see, since it's a mandatory and Butler might also want to snatch the highlights, fighting with high spirit might bring decent entertainment for those fans who's going to watch this fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2021, 02:06:56 AM

Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

Who says that though? I mean if it's not official then shouldn't we bother too much? How can Butler make more money when he steps aside to give way to Inoue?

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Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

Is Casimero vs Inoue is really a thing that needed to happen now quickly? Why Butler will step aside? If Casimero will lose in that fight, then Butler can direct to Inoue as no reason now for Casimero to fight the Japanese champion. He will make more money if he wins against Casimero. I don't see any wrong with that mandatory fight. It's a good practice for Casimero to test his skills as he wasn't able to release that during his fight against Rigo. In that way, he will be more prepared to fight the aggressive Inoue.

Forget Inoue vs Casimero for now. Move on now guys.

It a mandatory fight so nothing can be done without waiting for this fight to happened, if Casimero still pursuing meeting Inoue, he probably needs to win against Butler and add this win to his belt. Still a win-win for Casimero since he will earned money from this fight not as much as how he may get if the Inoue fight take place but still decent once he wins the camp can continue the chase of making Arum to decide choosing him for Inoue.

Let's move on for now and allow this fight, enjoy and see how Casimero will take this as it's been a mandatory for him to accomplish.

That's right. No more statement that it should be Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire. The fight was already mandated and I'm also one of the few people here that see no problem regarding the match. It's a stage where Casimero should win in order to have a better chance to fight Inoue next.

We not see Casimero in 100% with his last match. I hope Butler won't have the running skills and will fight Casimer face to face.

Actually we did see Casimero 100% in his last match, it's that Rigo is not a willing dance partner and just keep on running the whole fight. Which frustrate not only Casimero but us boxing fans because we are used to seeing Casimero knocking out his opponent with big blows. So yeah, hopefully Butler won't run in this fight and would go toe to toe with the champion to make it an entertaining fight.

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Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

Is Casimero vs Inoue is really a thing that needed to happen now quickly? Why Butler will step aside? If Casimero will lose in that fight, then Butler can direct to Inoue as no reason now for Casimero to fight the Japanese champion. He will make more money if he wins against Casimero. I don't see any wrong with that mandatory fight. It's a good practice for Casimero to test his skills as he wasn't able to release that during his fight against Rigo. In that way, he will be more prepared to fight the aggressive Inoue.

Forget Inoue vs Casimero for now. Move on now guys.

It a mandatory fight so nothing can be done without waiting for this fight to happened, if Casimero still pursuing meeting Inoue, he probably needs to win against Butler and add this win to his belt. Still a win-win for Casimero since he will earned money from this fight not as much as how he may get if the Inoue fight take place but still decent once he wins the camp can continue the chase of making Arum to decide choosing him for Inoue.

Let's move on for now and allow this fight, enjoy and see how Casimero will take this as it's been a mandatory for him to accomplish.

That's right. No more statement that it should be Casimero vs Inoue or Donaire. The fight was already mandated and I'm also one of the few people here that see no problem regarding the match. It's a stage where Casimero should win in order to have a better chance to fight Inoue next.

We not see Casimero in 100% with his last match. I hope Butler won't have the running skills and will fight Casimer face to face.

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Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

Is Casimero vs Inoue is really a thing that needed to happen now quickly? Why Butler will step aside? If Casimero will lose in that fight, then Butler can direct to Inoue as no reason now for Casimero to fight the Japanese champion. He will make more money if he wins against Casimero. I don't see any wrong with that mandatory fight. It's a good practice for Casimero to test his skills as he wasn't able to release that during his fight against Rigo. In that way, he will be more prepared to fight the aggressive Inoue.

Forget Inoue vs Casimero for now. Move on now guys.

It a mandatory fight so nothing can be done without waiting for this fight to happened, if Casimero still pursuing meeting Inoue, he probably needs to win against Butler and add this win to his belt. Still a win-win for Casimero since he will earned money from this fight not as much as how he may get if the Inoue fight take place but still decent once he wins the camp can continue the chase of making Arum to decide choosing him for Inoue.

Let's move on for now and allow this fight, enjoy and see how Casimero will take this as it's been a mandatory for him to accomplish.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2021, 02:06:56 AM

Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

Is Casimero vs Inoue is really a thing that needed to happen now quickly? Why Butler will step aside? If Casimero will lose in that fight, then Butler can direct to Inoue as no reason now for Casimero to fight the Japanese champion. He will make more money if he wins against Casimero. I don't see any wrong with that mandatory fight. It's a good practice for Casimero to test his skills as he wasn't able to release that during his fight against Rigo. In that way, he will be more prepared to fight the aggressive Inoue.

Forget Inoue vs Casimero for now. Move on now guys.

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This is really bad news, I was expecting for Casimero to fight Inoue as there were reports that both fighters wanted the fight, it seems the WBO got tired of waiting and if there is nothing on paper about the fight happening Casimero will have no other option but to fight Butler, sometimes I wonder what promoters are actually thinking? The fight of Casimero vs Inoue would have most likely produced more profits than this fight and yet here we are, it seems we may have to wait even longer for the fight to actually take place.

I don't understand how it becomes bad news? It's a good match. What's the difference between if Casimero will fight Inoue this year or next year?

More importantly, there's already an arrange fight to Casimero that is more realistic to happen compared to endless speculation involving Inoue and Donaire. It's put an end to all rumors and expectations that Inoue is the next opponent for Casimero.

Just enjoy the show. The match between Casimero and Inoue will happen soon. Remember that it was well-prepared already before and just waiting for the fight date but just got delayed and halted.

Maybe I overreacted a little bit, I can admit to that however as a fan of boxing I want to see the best fight possible and I have no doubts that while the Casimero vs Butler is going to be a good fight, after all Butler is the mandatory challenger and not some easy fighter Casimero is picking to make some easy money, at the same time I wonder, is this the best fight what we could possibly watch? And the answer is no, Casimero vs Inoue was a way better fight and now we need two wait even longer to see it, and that is assuming Casimero wins.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on September 27, 2021, 02:06:56 AM

Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

He would do that if he doesn't think that he can beat Casimero, making more money but he has no future in boxing after he receives the money, I think that's not fair, for him and especially for his fans. This is a mandatory fight, they should not be talking about money as this fight should happen.

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Butler could probably make more money by stepping aside and allowing Casimero to fight Inoue. Inoue needs an opponent for the end of the year and it would be a shame if he couldn't fight a big name due to the sanctioning bodies getting in the way. Hopefully an agreement is reached and we will see a unification fight instead of the mandatory.

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