[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 105.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 05:49:35 PM

WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

Any idea what’s the basis for this one? Since they are both active boxer so I don’t see any reason to force them fight anyone? Or is this is part of the program to boost every boxer on this level?

It's a sad thing that boxers couldn't decide on their own but they should follow what the organization would say. If that's the case, I guess it would be better if Casimero would just take advantage of this fight. It will be another platform for him to showcase his skills more. Facing Butler is also a no joke since he also has a huge potential.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 23, 2021, 06:18:38 PM

Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.

But remember that they work with promoters, networks and world governing bodies. So you can't just go ask and fight anyone in the ring. There has to be some kind of model here so that everyone will make money as others have been saying, boxing is also a big business right now.

So eventually, Casimero will have no options, unless he wanted to be strip of his belt by WBO. And this is a good fight for Casimero specially if he knocks out Butler or win in a good fashion.

Well, I have no doubt on the skills of Casimero, if Butler is really good then he should really give Casimero a problem and that is by being aggressive in the fight. We have not seen Casimero struggle against his opponent yet if his opponent is just waiting to trade punches with him, so probably this is the time.

Paul Butler is aggressive, he is not afraid to lose and this is his big break if he wins against Casimero, so it should be an interesting fight to watch.

I saw some highlights of Butler and this boxer loss against the Tete whom Casimero had KO, so probably Casimero would just dominate in this fight and he will KO Butler. Here's the Zolane Tete vs Paul Butler's fight highlights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lS6R6EIYeY

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 23, 2021, 06:18:38 PM

Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.

But remember that they work with promoters, networks and world governing bodies. So you can't just go ask and fight anyone in the ring. There has to be some kind of model here so that everyone will make money as others have been saying, boxing is also a big business right now.

So eventually, Casimero will have no options, unless he wanted to be strip of his belt by WBO. And this is a good fight for Casimero specially if he knocks out Butler or win in a good fashion.

Well, I have no doubt on the skills of Casimero, if Butler is really good then he should really give Casimero a problem and that is by being aggressive in the fight. We have not seen Casimero struggle against his opponent yet if his opponent is just waiting to trade punches with him, so probably this is the time.

Paul Butler is aggressive, he is not afraid to lose and this is his big break if he wins against Casimero, so it should be an interesting fight to watch.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 23, 2021, 06:18:38 PM

Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.

But remember that they work with promoters, networks and world governing bodies. So you can't just go ask and fight anyone in the ring. There has to be some kind of model here so that everyone will make money as others have been saying, boxing is also a big business right now.

So eventually, Casimero will have no options, unless he wanted to be strip of his belt by WBO. And this is a good fight for Casimero specially if he knocks out Butler or win in a good fashion.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 23, 2021, 06:18:38 PM

Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.

If they want their career to continue progressing then they must only follow the command , we knew how manipulated gambling sports nowadays , there are rigging happening in this area of sports so the management will dictate if whom a boxer will opposing and they have no opportunity to choose unless they wanted to be left behind .
a sad reality but this is how it is now.
Butler has a good standing and performance in His previous fight so i think casimero will be having a hard time here.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2021, 07:38:04 PM

If that's an order so the Inoue and Casimero match might be delayed and this match will be the first to happen. I get it, maybe this is the reason why Casimero has stayed there because there's something like this that has been cooking.

And if there's money involve and one or two of them will pay the penalties then Inoue and Casimero will happen. But I don't think that any of them would be willing to pay for penalties just to pursue their match. Boxing is still a business.

Well, I think Casimero has to stick to what the WBO says, however, I think like you, here there is a business model behind that does not allow the sport to have a total emergence, things have been here for a long time. In boxing as in any sport, what is intervening the most is money and even politics, because that is also the case in football even in the World Cup qualifying rounds. And if things are like this, I think that Casimero has very good preparation, something similar to what we saw with Silva and Ortiz's fight could happen when Silva knocked out Ortiz, Casimero has more preparation, of course this in my view , I would go right now for Casimero.

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Let these fighters fight at their own will, it seems that they're not having their own willingness to do so. If they're confident to take the match then so be it, no aggressive offer should be given to any one of them. Once a boxer find a good mood and his capacity for fighting his potential opponent would technically be drawn over by his power, I guess with no hesitation their fight would commence successfully.

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casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

Thats why i did really smirk out when i do really see this announcement about this fight rather than on seeing that Inoue vs Casimero had really made off some finalization about the arrangement and for sure
Casimero had been surprised off with this thing but do they have some choice? No they wont because if whats mandated then it would be definitely be the fight that would happen.
Yeah its funny to think that after all the hypes we've been seeing it do still end up on having another match.

That's unpredictable but Casimero would still want this fight because this is his chance to have a good win again, probably a KO win since Rigo destroyed his KO win streak giving him a bad match by just running inside the ring. Both Casimero and Donaire have a tune-up fight, so if they'll face after this, it would be a big fight that everyone would like to watch.

It turns out that peoples interest are really diverted on whats the current hype and not go after on what are the possible arrangement of fights that might happen.I cant really blame them off because we have been

longing on wanting that Casimero vs Inoue fight which had been diverted on other fights on each one of those boxers which it is quite annoying on my part too on where your excitement was completely gone

because you would really be need to wait up even more further for the fight that you've been really excited for but well its their decision to make.

No more Inoue vs Casimero this December, the announcement was wrong because Casimero would be busy with other fighters and we don't know if he would also fight this year. Anyways, accept the reality, time will come they will face each other but more fight for them before they will face is still good as they are stil in their prime.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 23, 2021, 04:28:13 PM

casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

Thats why i did really smirk out when i do really see this announcement about this fight rather than on seeing that Inoue vs Casimero had really made off some finalization about the arrangement and for sure
Casimero had been surprised off with this thing but do they have some choice? No they wont because if whats mandated then it would be definitely be the fight that would happen.
Yeah its funny to think that after all the hypes we've been seeing it do still end up on having another match.

That's unpredictable but Casimero would still want this fight because this is his chance to have a good win again, probably a KO win since Rigo destroyed his KO win streak giving him a bad match by just running inside the ring. Both Casimero and Donaire have a tune-up fight, so if they'll face after this, it would be a big fight that everyone would like to watch.

It turns out that peoples interest are really diverted on whats the current hype and not go after on what are the possible arrangement of fights that might happen.I cant really blame them off because we have been

longing on wanting that Casimero vs Inoue fight which had been diverted on other fights on each one of those boxers which it is quite annoying on my part too on where your excitement was completely gone

because you would really be need to wait up even more further for the fight that you've been really excited for but well its their decision to make.

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Quote from: Fatunad on September 23, 2021, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 23, 2021, 04:28:13 PM

casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

Thats why i did really smirk out when i do really see this announcement about this fight rather than on seeing that Inoue vs Casimero had really made off some finalization about the arrangement and for sure
Casimero had been surprised off with this thing but do they have some choice? No they wont because if whats mandated then it would be definitely be the fight that would happen.
Yeah its funny to think that after all the hypes we've been seeing it do still end up on having another match.

That's unpredictable but Casimero would still want this fight because this is his chance to have a good win again, probably a KO win since Rigo destroyed his KO win streak giving him a bad match by just running inside the ring. Both Casimero and Donaire have a tune-up fight, so if they'll face after this, it would be a big fight that everyone would like to watch.

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Quote from: Fatunad on September 23, 2021, 04:37:41 PM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 23, 2021, 04:28:13 PM

casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

Thats why i did really smirk out when i do really see this announcement about this fight rather than on seeing that Inoue vs Casimero had really made off some finalization about the arrangement and for sure
Casimero had been surprised off with this thing but do they have some choice? No they wont because if whats mandated then it would be definitely be the fight that would happen.
Yeah its funny to think that after all the hypes we've been seeing it do still end up on having another match.

its mandated. two Filipinos going up the rank in boxing at the same time, they are up to fight one day. they just have to prove and hype more this time.

maybe there will be deals after the fight. casimero and donaire is fighting "assassins". they get to have a chance to be like pacquaio who also knock a hitman.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on September 23, 2021, 04:28:13 PM

casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

Thats why i did really smirk out when i do really see this announcement about this fight rather than on seeing that Inoue vs Casimero had really made off some finalization about the arrangement and for sure
Casimero had been surprised off with this thing but do they have some choice? No they wont because if whats mandated then it would be definitely be the fight that would happen.
Yeah its funny to think that after all the hypes we've been seeing it do still end up on having another match.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2021, 07:38:04 PM

If that's an order so the Inoue and Casimero match might be delayed and this match will be the first to happen. I get it, maybe this is the reason why Casimero has stayed there because there's something like this that has been cooking.

Yeah, I think in the long run, this will be good for both fighters. Casimero will again show his talent then if everything went smooth, after his win he can trash talk Inoue again.

He doesn't really have to trashtalk again, he's done with that. What I think is that he has saw this coming and despite his likes to fight against Inoue this upcoming December, he has to defend his title if the WBO order so.

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And if there's money involve and one or two of them will pay the penalties then Inoue and Casimero will happen. But I don't think that any of them would be willing to pay for penalties just to pursue their match. Boxing is still a business.

It's usually the champion that is going to pay the penalties, so for sure Casimero's camp are not going to pay for it. They would rather save that money for Casimero and then beat Butler. So more hype for him and could be his biggest payday for a Inoue or even Donaire clash.

Yeah, that's likely.

Casimero won't be sacrificing that penalty if he doesn't want to fight Butler. How much is the penalty then if he chose not to fight Butler? Anyone who has an idea?

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Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.

Yeah, Casimero just blew Tete in their fight and you will see that even after the fight has ended, Tete didn't know what had happened, that shot to the side made Tete lose his balance and his feet are not there. So imagine a chin that has been broken already, Butler will have a hard time against a power puncher like Casimero. So obviously, the Casimero-Inoue fight will be delayed because of the mandatory defense. Perhaps the WBO ordered this to squash a fight with Inoue. Casimero just had his last fight last month, and now they are ordering him to fight against the organizations mandatory. Something is fishy, but we can't do anything.

Butler has a very good chance of winning the fight against Casimero. Paul Butler is one of my favorite boxers. No wonder he received the nickname "Baby Fased Assasin".

He's incredibly cold-blooded. He fights very prudently. He is a very fast and technical boxer. Moves faster than Casimero. I think that the bet on Paul Butler is fully justified. I must admit that Casimero is also a great boxer. The fight will probably be very interesting. Various surprises are possible ...

But my favorite is Paul Butler. I believe in his victory.

Good luck mate, well, at least we have here who backs Butler to win. To be honest, most of the boxing fans here are Filipino so some of the comments maybe biased as they support Casimero wholeheartedly. I'm getting interested in your words, maybe I'll look at the fight highlights of Butler to see how good he is.

casimero's strength will be tested by butler first. and if he surpassed it, then, he would go after inoue again. wonder the reaction of inoue learning that casimero has another fight before him. so funny that there was hype created between inoue's and casimero's camps and even releasing the possible date this year, but ended up casimero attending a different fight first. i guess, even casimero didn't know about this obligatory defense of his title when he was talking about possible inoue's fight this year.

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Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.

Yeah, Casimero just blew Tete in their fight and you will see that even after the fight has ended, Tete didn't know what had happened, that shot to the side made Tete lose his balance and his feet are not there. So imagine a chin that has been broken already, Butler will have a hard time against a power puncher like Casimero. So obviously, the Casimero-Inoue fight will be delayed because of the mandatory defense. Perhaps the WBO ordered this to squash a fight with Inoue. Casimero just had his last fight last month, and now they are ordering him to fight against the organizations mandatory. Something is fishy, but we can't do anything.

Butler has a very good chance of winning the fight against Casimero. Paul Butler is one of my favorite boxers. No wonder he received the nickname "Baby Fased Assasin".

He's incredibly cold-blooded. He fights very prudently. He is a very fast and technical boxer. Moves faster than Casimero. I think that the bet on Paul Butler is fully justified. I must admit that Casimero is also a great boxer. The fight will probably be very interesting. Various surprises are possible ...

But my favorite is Paul Butler. I believe in his victory.

Good luck mate, well, at least we have here who backs Butler to win. To be honest, most of the boxing fans here are Filipino so some of the comments maybe biased as they support Casimero wholeheartedly. I'm getting interested in your words, maybe I'll look at the fight highlights of Butler to see how good he is.

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Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.

Yeah, Casimero just blew Tete in their fight and you will see that even after the fight has ended, Tete didn't know what had happened, that shot to the side made Tete lose his balance and his feet are not there. So imagine a chin that has been broken already, Butler will have a hard time against a power puncher like Casimero. So obviously, the Casimero-Inoue fight will be delayed because of the mandatory defense. Perhaps the WBO ordered this to squash a fight with Inoue. Casimero just had his last fight last month, and now they are ordering him to fight against the organizations mandatory. Something is fishy, but we can't do anything.

Butler has a very good chance of winning the fight against Casimero. Paul Butler is one of my favorite boxers. No wonder he received the nickname "Baby Fased Assasin".

He's incredibly cold-blooded. He fights very prudently. He is a very fast and technical boxer. Moves faster than Casimero. I think that the bet on Paul Butler is fully justified. I must admit that Casimero is also a great boxer. The fight will probably be very interesting. Various surprises are possible ...

But my favorite is Paul Butler. I believe in his victory.

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 23, 2021, 06:39:16 AM

Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.

Yeah, Casimero just blew Tete in their fight and you will see that even after the fight has ended, Tete didn't know what had happened, that shot to the side made Tete lose his balance and his feet are not there. So imagine a chin that has been broken already, Butler will have a hard time against a power puncher like Casimero. So obviously, the Casimero-Inoue fight will be delayed because of the mandatory defense. Perhaps the WBO ordered this to squash a fight with Inoue. Casimero just had his last fight last month, and now they are ordering him to fight against the organizations mandatory. Something is fishy, but we can't do anything.

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Quote from: TravelMug on September 22, 2021, 08:12:42 PM

Yeah, I think in the long run, this will be good for both fighters. Casimero will again show his talent then if everything went smooth, after his win he can trash talk Inoue again.

He'll likely do that if he wins against Butler not only to Inoue but also to Donaire as well, I don't know why these boxing organizations will not order a match between two boxers who wants to take each other, these three boxers, Inoue, Donaire, and Casimero deserve each other why they don't they give it to them, this is what the boxing community is asking.

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Quote from: Oasisman on September 23, 2021, 06:39:16 AM

Anyway, Casimero will be the obvious favourite here. The Tete fight will be the primary basis for the odds as they both fought Tete once in their career.

I'll take the TeTe fight also as a determining factor why I will be choosing Casimero but again upsets still happen, Casimero upset Tete a favorite when they fought, Butler has a good knock-out percentage if he can find a good opening and connect he can upset Casimero.
Kinda disappointing that again for the nth time he will not fight Inoue big money and prestige awaits whoever wins the fight on the Casimero - Inoue fight it will be delay again next year.

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Quote from: yazher on September 23, 2021, 05:31:06 AM

Why does this fighter need to fight mandatory challengers when they can fight a fighter of their own size? When it involves huge money expect something like this where they won't be any big-name boxers fighting in the ring often. Old days boxing is not like this. they will fight everyone until they will be a true champion after beating anyone else. That's why most of them are defeated when they are about to retire because they won't cease to fight anyone who challenges them right away. This rule is sick, mandatory fights requirement should be abolished.

I think it's in the rules that they have to follow, even if there's money involved, we can always expect these fighters to still be following the rules, remember that if they strip them or exile them from the association, no money will come to them anyways.

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