[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 107.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 22, 2021, 06:11:28 PM

The fight can still be made between Casimero and Inoue. That is if the champion Inoue are willing to pay for the sanction fee. Not sure how much it is or what they are going to base it (per percentage of the purse).

In any case, if they are not willing then we have to wait for the Casimero vs Inoue then. Hope that Casimero will win against his mandatory, I'm sure majority of us are not familiar with Butler. Not saying he is not good, of course we are going to favor Casimero in this fight.

I think that will not end up in that way. Inoue will not oppose that because why in the first place. Casimero vs Inoue is a big deal but not to the point it will still push despite WBO ordering a mandatory fight. Fans can just wait to settle this. It's not even a problem for Casimero as he will just accept fights especially that it's mandatory.

If Casimero really eyes to fight Inoue, he should defeat all the boxers that will be assigned to fight him. There's a big reason why the fight with Inoue is not able to arrange this time and that's something we should not need to know.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM

WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

If Casimero doesn't comply, he will be strip by the belt, and then we will have Butler as mandatory vs the second seed in their ranking. Not sure if this is forcing the boxer, but they have their own rules like mandatory defences of their champion.

Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM

Any idea what’s the basis for this one? Since they are both active boxer so I don’t see any reason to force them fight anyone? Or is this is part of the program to boost every boxer on this level?

It's part of the program to keep their organisation active not just their boxers, of course the money that they will get as we all know boxing is a business.

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This is really bad news, I was expecting for Casimero to fight Inoue as there were reports that both fighters wanted the fight, it seems the WBO got tired of waiting and if there is nothing on paper about the fight happening Casimero will have no other option but to fight Butler, sometimes I wonder what promoters are actually thinking? The fight of Casimero vs Inoue would have most likely produced more profits than this fight and yet here we are, it seems we may have to wait even longer for the fight to actually take place.

I don't understand how it becomes bad news? It's a good match. What's the difference between if Casimero will fight Inoue this year or next year?

More importantly, there's already an arrange fight to Casimero that is more realistic to happen compared to endless speculation involving Inoue and Donaire. It's put an end to all rumors and expectations that Inoue is the next opponent for Casimero.

Just enjoy the show. The match between Casimero and Inoue will happen soon. Remember that it was well-prepared already before and just waiting for the fight date but just got delayed and halted.

Yes, this is not just about a rumor or something but it is already officially ordered. If Casimero will win on this fight, then, high likely that they will set-up the fight with Inoue, probably early next year. So this is a challenge for Casimero. Because if he lost, I don't think fight with Inoue will materialized and his trash talking may stop for a while.

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The fight can still be made between Casimero and Inoue. That is if the champion Inoue are willing to pay for the sanction fee. Not sure how much it is or what they are going to base it (per percentage of the purse).

In any case, if they are not willing then we have to wait for the Casimero vs Inoue then. Hope that Casimero will win against his mandatory, I'm sure majority of us are not familiar with Butler. Not saying he is not good, of course we are going to favor Casimero in this fight.

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Quote from: South Park on September 22, 2021, 05:04:52 PM

This is really bad news, I was expecting for Casimero to fight Inoue as there were reports that both fighters wanted the fight, it seems the WBO got tired of waiting and if there is nothing on paper about the fight happening Casimero will have no other option but to fight Butler, sometimes I wonder what promoters are actually thinking? The fight of Casimero vs Inoue would have most likely produced more profits than this fight and yet here we are, it seems we may have to wait even longer for the fight to actually take place.

I don't understand how it becomes bad news? It's a good match. What's the difference between if Casimero will fight Inoue this year or next year?

More importantly, there's already an arrange fight to Casimero that is more realistic to happen compared to endless speculation involving Inoue and Donaire. It's put an end to all rumors and expectations that Inoue is the next opponent for Casimero.

Just enjoy the show. The match between Casimero and Inoue will happen soon. Remember that it was well-prepared already before and just waiting for the fight date but just got delayed and halted.

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Quote from: TinaK on September 22, 2021, 05:55:45 PM

I thought its Inoue who will fight by the Casimero but now it is Paul Butler.
This is a very interesting fight and for sure they are preparing for now, is there any announcement regarding the date and the venue of the fight?
Looking forward to the possible opponent of Inoue, maybe this will also be a force by the WBO.

They have the authority to do it and its good for Butler to have a chance fighting a great boxer, its like being fair to every boxer on those level since they can’t totally choose who their opponent our. They will fight Inoue eventually, but for now they have to follow this and do their best, with Casimero this can be an interesting match.

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It's been ordered and they will be in talks.

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“Please be advised that the parties have twenty (20) days upon receipt of this letter to reach an agreement.

Knowing Casimero he will go on with the fight but this is not the kind of fight that he wanted, he really wants the Donaire or Inoue fight because it will define him as a great champion, we are all caught by surprise by this announcement, the Casimero - Inoue fight is long been overdue people are wondering if the fight will still go on, while both are still champion.

Butler was once a champion and he had a seven winning streak a worthy contender for Casimero, let's wait for the outcome of the talk.

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I thought its Inoue who will fight by the Casimero but now it is Paul Butler.
This is a very interesting fight and for sure they are preparing for now, is there any announcement regarding the date and the venue of the fight?
Looking forward to the possible opponent of Inoue, maybe this will also be a force by the WBO.

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Quote from: Hamphser on September 22, 2021, 05:33:18 PM

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM

WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

^ Ohh another match that was forced by the WBO, what happened to the gambling industry now? They are forcing boxers to fight with their perspective-selected opponent, from WBC and now WBO. But what organization has the power to do this, WBO, WBA, and WBC are the same function?
Nevertheless, this is a good pairing fight and I think, this fight is perfectly matched, they are both good fighters and hopefully, there is an official date on this fight.

They do have the power and rights on what are the things would be needed to be piled up thats why im not really that still sure on the time where Casimero vs Inoue is really on the hype or rumors or tell-tales that

the fight would really be happening on December on this year and now there are some arrangement of fights on where it is already mandated which it turns out that fights been presume are just really in hopes.

But well these fight match ups arent really that bad though and somewhat interesting.

So after all these discussions and hype regarding Casimero vs Inoue, there will be mandatory defense ordered by WBO?
If this will be mandatory, then Inoue's fight will come after this, if Casimero will win on this match.
And we will know what will be the arrangement here by next month.
Seems that Inoue will be waiting for them, Casimero and Donaire, from their respective fights.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on September 22, 2021, 05:05:21 PM

Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM

WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

^ Ohh another match that was forced by the WBO, what happened to the gambling industry now? They are forcing boxers to fight with their perspective-selected opponent, from WBC and now WBO. But what organization has the power to do this, WBO, WBA, and WBC are the same function?
Nevertheless, this is a good pairing fight and I think, this fight is perfectly matched, they are both good fighters and hopefully, there is an official date on this fight.

They do have the power and rights on what are the things would be needed to be piled up thats why im not really that still sure on the time where Casimero vs Inoue is really on the hype or rumors or tell-tales that

the fight would really be happening on December on this year and now there are some arrangement of fights on where it is already mandated which it turns out that fights been presume are just really in hopes.

But well these fight match ups arent really that bad though and somewhat interesting.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 22, 2021, 04:49:35 PM

WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

^ Ohh another match that was forced by the WBO, what happened to the gambling industry now? They are forcing boxers to fight with their perspective-selected opponent, from WBC and now WBO. But what organization has the power to do this, WBO, WBA, and WBC are the same function?
Nevertheless, this is a good pairing fight and I think, this fight is perfectly matched, they are both good fighters and hopefully, there is an official date on this fight.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 22, 2021, 04:46:42 PM

It seems that WBO has ordered John Riel Casimero to fight Paul Butler, his mandatory defense:

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“The WBO World Championship Committee hereby orders the parties herein commencement of negotiations for the above-mentioned WBO Bantamweight Mandatory Championship Contest,” Luis Batista-Salas, chairman of the WBO Championship Committee informed the promoters for both parties via official letter, a copy of which has been obtained by BoxingScene.com. “Please be advised that the parties have twenty (20) days upon receipt of this letter to reach an agreement.

https://www.boxingscene.com/john-riel-casimero-paul-butler-bantamweight-title-fight-ordered-by-wbo--160737

Paul Butler's boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/554173

So it seems that Nonito Donaire vs John Riel Casimero is scratch already, as Donaire vs Gaballo is also being ordered.

Not sure about if they can salvage Casimero vs Inoue, unless they are willing to pay WBO here.

Here are the official documents:

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This is really bad news, I was expecting for Casimero to fight Inoue as there were reports that both fighters wanted the fight, it seems the WBO got tired of waiting and if there is nothing on paper about the fight happening Casimero will have no other option but to fight Butler, sometimes I wonder what promoters are actually thinking? The fight of Casimero vs Inoue would have most likely produced more profits than this fight and yet here we are, it seems we may have to wait even longer for the fight to actually take place.

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Both John Riel Casimero and Naoya Inoue are vocal about the chance of their fight happening in December. That makes me think that there's already a negotiation but they are just limiting yet and not disclosing the information to the public.

And now with this recent news, what may be the reasons that their fight won't push through.

According to the news, a purse bid hearing will be called by the WBO if not push right away within the negotiation period. It means we can now conclude it was a final decision. There's still no mentioned date so probably the fight will be on December or 1Q next year.

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Another forced match made by WBO, after talking about Inoue fight now Casimero have to wait more and face his new opponent which I think, he has the advantage after all so this could still be a good fight and a good addition to the record of Casimero. No final date yet but I hope it can happen this year so next year, Inoue will be the next match.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 22, 2021, 04:46:42 PM

It seems that WBO has ordered John Riel Casimero to fight Paul Butler, his mandatory defense:

As usual, im aint surprised with these kind of changes yet its already be a talk in town about Casimero vs Inoue but it seems this fight would be on delayed or postponed again due to this mandatory fight on where
WBO had mandated.So here we are guys, where those anticipated fights or something that we had been eyeing out is seems not to happen for this year.

It sucks but theres no thing we can do with it but to wait up for the right time for Inoue vs Casimero to happen.I agree on that statement above, unless if they do convinced out WBO by money. Cheesy

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WBO are now working and forcing the boxer to fight, it looks like they have no more options but to comply of else they’ll lose the belt.

Any idea what’s the basis for this one? Since they are both active boxer so I don’t see any reason to force them fight anyone? Or is this is part of the program to boost every boxer on this level?

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Jonas Sultan will replaced John Riel Casimero.

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A deal was reached to relocate the fight to this Friday’s show in Liverpool. However, video evidence surfaced of Casimero (31-4, 21KOs) using a sauna, which is strictly prohibited in close proximity of any fight in the United Kingdom. The video somehow made its way to the BBBofC, who immediately ruled that the Filipino was barred from fighting this weekend.

Paul Butler's boxrec: https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/55417/

https://www.boxingscene.com/paul-butler-jonas-sultan-make-weight-interim-bantamweight-title-fight-liverpool--165679

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