[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 14.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 31, 2022, 08:01:16 AM

As for me, I wouldn't put weight on that information, I still believe that this fight will go based on the schedule.

there still no updated information about these fights after casimero being transported on an ambulance and admitted to a hospital on the same day as the weigh-ins.
And base on his youtube channel he still on ill but it was 4 months ago when i saw that, so i hope he's ok now and this fight will be reschedule again within this yesr..

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Quote from: Shamm on March 31, 2022, 06:59:53 PM

Casimero will out in this match and replace jonas sultan against butler even though its not just a heavy fight but still a bug fight for butler as we all know that sultan is a good fighter as well an has a good competitive skills and also for sure casimero will be okay cause jonas Sultan is Filipino as well and and it's good choice for butlers opponents.

Based on your statement, you are sure of that and you even gave an analysis about Jonas Sultan. Do you think Casimero will be ok with that? No, as his title is at the stake once the fight got canceled because of him.

Can you provide the source or where you got that information? How did you end up with that conclusion?

I browse some news and found no article or news related that Jonas Sultan will be a replacement. That Twitter post is almost a month now and no progress related to that is been released since then.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 31, 2022, 04:40:02 PM

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I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Attaching the tweet of Joe Gallagher, the trainer of Paul Butler asking anyone to confirm if it's going to be Casimero because IMO they are thinking that Casimero won't be able to do this fight because of the lawsuit filed against him. Though i have no official link or whatsoever but MP promotions president, Sean Gibbons is said to be doing his best to replacement Casimero with Jonas Sultan for this championship fight.

Casimero will out in this match and replace jonas sultan against butler even though its not just a heavy fight but still a bug fight for butler as we all know that sultan is a good fighter as well an has a good competitive skills and also for sure casimero will be okay cause jonas Sultan is Filipino as well and and it's good choice for butlers opponents.

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I just wondered, that "what if" WBA didn't allow Casimero to fight because of his lawsuit, is that a reason to strip the title from Casimero? Referring to last time, it's only the health issue that Casimero is facing that will act as a primary reason for having the WBA title stripped since it makes sense that why hold the title if he's not 100% healthy.

But since this is a lawsuit, even the fight will be canceled, should not be a reason for WBA to get the title to WBA. But it's now taking too long for a title defense and maybe taking back the title to Casimero is possible.

What do you think, guys?

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Quote from: agustina2 on March 31, 2022, 06:08:11 PM

It's just about barely a few days to go and since no news regarding a change of event, the fight might be happened for good at maybe 85% to 90%. The replacement can't just happen quickly unless the possible replacement also has an incoming fight or part of the undercard on the close weight class like what happened when Ugas replace Spence to face Pacquiao.

Regardless of anything, we should just stick to the idea that this fight will happen unless there's an official announcement made that it will be canceled. Goodbye to Casimero if that's happened as he failed again to show up and he is the reason for the canceled fight.

It is in the best interest of Casimero to show up or otherwise, ruin his career.
Donaire is about to have a second match with Inoue, so it seems he is being left behind.
Casimero needs this fight to move forward. So he should not give any more reason not to have this fight.
But if it is the lawsuit that will hinder him. I don't know where will he go from here.
This will be sad future for him because lawsuit in his country is not very fast in resolving things.

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It's just about barely a few days to go and since no news regarding a change of event, the fight might be happened for good at maybe 85% to 90%. The replacement can't just happen quickly unless the possible replacement also has an incoming fight or part of the undercard on the close weight class like what happened when Ugas replace Spence to face Pacquiao.

Regardless of anything, we should just stick to the idea that this fight will happen unless there's an official announcement made that it will be canceled. Goodbye to Casimero if that's happened as he failed again to show up and he is the reason for the canceled fight.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Attaching the tweet of Joe Gallagher, the trainer of Paul Butler asking anyone to confirm if it's going to be Casimero because IMO they are thinking that Casimero won't be able to do this fight because of the lawsuit filed against him. Though i have no official link or whatsoever but MP promotions president, Sean Gibbons is said to be doing his best to replacement Casimero with Jonas Sultan for this championship fight.

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Quote from: Kasabus on March 31, 2022, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: molsewid on March 31, 2022, 09:12:55 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Can't find Butler's tweet also in his twitter account about asking MP on who is he going to fight with and with that being said I believe that if there's a deleted tweets of Butler I don't think it will affect the scheduled fight of him against Casimero. I believe that this fight have had scheduled in fix but let's see if there's any further adjustments which I hope not because bettors and boxing fans are really looking forward on this battle and this has been moved for long time since last scheduled.

Let us not make it a big deal, that's only a rumor without evidence. Casimero is depending on his belt, so there's no reason Butler would be looking for another opponent because if he wins here, he will become the champion, and not only that, he can also fight the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire rematch.

agree with what you said, when things like this are exaggerated and it's not clear where the source is from then this will be a little unethical in my opinion because this could be right or it could be wrong because there really isn't anything official that can be used as a reference there because of this just hearsay and impressed like some people's speculation.
Butler isn't going anywhere because his place could be right here because it's more worth it than looking for a new opponent.

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Quote from: Shamm on March 31, 2022, 09:50:37 AM

Quote from: Kasabus on March 31, 2022, 09:44:58 AM

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Can't find Butler's tweet also in his twitter account about asking MP on who is he going to fight with and with that being said I believe that if there's a deleted tweets of Butler I don't think it will affect the scheduled fight of him against Casimero. I believe that this fight have had scheduled in fix but let's see if there's any further adjustments which I hope not because bettors and boxing fans are really looking forward on this battle and this has been moved for long time since last scheduled.

Let us not make it a big deal, that's only a rumor without evidence. Casimero is depending on his belt, so there's no reason Butler would be looking for another opponent because if he wins here, he will become the champion, and not only that, he can also fight the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire rematch.

If butler will win his big match against casimero for sure he will face another or let say biggest fight of his career and face another champion of WBO the winner of the rematch between Bonaire and inoue.
There's a lot of opportunities will came if butler will win so he must trained hard and focus on the training and study the fighting skills of casimero.
Cause we all know that casimero is a though guy that can knock him down .

Each boxer would share up on the same particular goal which is to become better and more stronger than into your opponent and we do know that Casimero is aiming on the same thing too since he had been longing

for him to beat up Inoue if there's a chance.If ever Donaire would win against Inoue on their rematch then both Filipino fighter would potentially clash on but it would be good if we are seeing Casimero vs Inoue
after they had settled their own fights.

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Quote from: Kasabus on March 31, 2022, 09:44:58 AM

Let us not make it a big deal, that's only a rumor without evidence. Casimero is depending on his belt, so there's no reason Butler would be looking for another opponent because if he wins here, he will become the champion, and not only that, he can also fight the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire rematch.

Indeed, it's Butler that will benefit the most from this fight, especially if he wins the fight.

Casimero is the defending champ and his name already has a good value from this division, if Butler will beat him the chance
of having more great fights will be open for butler.

More fights mean more money on the table, not sure if that rumors have the basis, if Butler is looking for another opponent
it will serve as ordinary since Casimero holds the belt.

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Quote from: Kasabus on March 31, 2022, 09:44:58 AM

Quote from: molsewid on March 31, 2022, 09:12:55 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Can't find Butler's tweet also in his twitter account about asking MP on who is he going to fight with and with that being said I believe that if there's a deleted tweets of Butler I don't think it will affect the scheduled fight of him against Casimero. I believe that this fight have had scheduled in fix but let's see if there's any further adjustments which I hope not because bettors and boxing fans are really looking forward on this battle and this has been moved for long time since last scheduled.

Let us not make it a big deal, that's only a rumor without evidence. Casimero is depending on his belt, so there's no reason Butler would be looking for another opponent because if he wins here, he will become the champion, and not only that, he can also fight the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire rematch.

If butler will win his big match against casimero for sure he will face another or let say biggest fight of his career and face another champion of WBO the winner of the rematch between Bonaire and inoue.
There's a lot of opportunities will came if butler will win so he must trained hard and focus on the training and study the fighting skills of casimero.
Cause we all know that casimero is a though guy that can knock him down .

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Quote from: molsewid on March 31, 2022, 09:12:55 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Can't find Butler's tweet also in his twitter account about asking MP on who is he going to fight with and with that being said I believe that if there's a deleted tweets of Butler I don't think it will affect the scheduled fight of him against Casimero. I believe that this fight have had scheduled in fix but let's see if there's any further adjustments which I hope not because bettors and boxing fans are really looking forward on this battle and this has been moved for long time since last scheduled.

Let us not make it a big deal, that's only a rumor without evidence. Casimero is depending on his belt, so there's no reason Butler would be looking for another opponent because if he wins here, he will become the champion, and not only that, he can also fight the winner of the Inoue vs Donaire rematch.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

Can't find Butler's tweet also in his twitter account about asking MP on who is he going to fight with and with that being said I believe that if there's a deleted tweets of Butler I don't think it will affect the scheduled fight of him against Casimero. I believe that this fight have had scheduled in fix but let's see if there's any further adjustments which I hope not because bettors and boxing fans are really looking forward on this battle and this has been moved for long time since last scheduled.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 31, 2022, 08:01:16 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

if that information coming from social media is not official, we should not consider it as legit information that could potentially cancel or move the fight. This was already announced before, it was official and that simple tweet would not change kill the official announcement.

As for me, I wouldn't put weight on that information, I still believe that this fight will go based on the schedule.

That is a tweet from the team Butler, so let's see how legit that tweet is.
I've checked from Butler's account himself but there's no tweet also about that.
https://twitter.com/1paulbutler

So, this is just probably an speculation but there's no real proof that the fight will be disrupted.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 31, 2022, 06:24:00 AM

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

if that information coming from social media is not official, we should not consider it as legit information that could potentially cancel or move the fight. This was already announced before, it was official and that simple tweet would not change kill the official announcement.

As for me, I wouldn't put weight on that information, I still believe that this fight will go based on the schedule.

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Quote from: acroman08 on March 31, 2022, 06:18:30 AM

Quote from: Japinat on March 30, 2022, 11:06:13 PM

I thought the schedule is already fixed.

Why would Butler tweet like that? Isn't he the mandatory opponent of Casimero? I hope that tweet has no real substance because not seeing Casimero fight this year would cast doubt on his future in boxing. I mean, he is still a champion, he deserved to fight the best and get more fights.

Butler didn't tweet anything. as far as I know the fight is still meant to happen in April.

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 26, 2022, 06:02:06 PM

But I have also seen a youtube video of a content creator where he said that there is a tweet by Team Butler on March 5 asking MP promotions on who really is their opponent. This might have something to do with the case of Casimero and they don't want to prepare for a fight with Casimero in mind but in the end, fighting a different opponent would be disastrous for their preparation.

would you mind sharing who the youtube creator is? I don't think team butler can ask for a different opponent for a mandatory fight. unless they are planning to back out or if Casimero is planning to back out of the fight.

I try to check on Butler's twitter account and I can't find it.

Anyhow, yeah, I think the fight is fixed already, Casimero and Butler are already has a go signal. Even the undercard is already set and as expected, almost all the boxers involved are from the UK.

So I guess we really have to wait now, those social media are trying to messed up everything.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 30, 2022, 11:06:13 PM

I thought the schedule is already fixed.

Why would Butler tweet like that? Isn't he the mandatory opponent of Casimero? I hope that tweet has no real substance because not seeing Casimero fight this year would cast doubt on his future in boxing. I mean, he is still a champion, he deserved to fight the best and get more fights.

Butler didn't tweet anything. as far as I know the fight is still meant to happen in April.

Quote from: bisdak40 on March 26, 2022, 06:02:06 PM

But I have also seen a youtube video of a content creator where he said that there is a tweet by Team Butler on March 5 asking MP promotions on who really is their opponent. This might have something to do with the case of Casimero and they don't want to prepare for a fight with Casimero in mind but in the end, fighting a different opponent would be disastrous for their preparation.

would you mind sharing who the youtube creator is? I don't think team butler can ask for a different opponent for a mandatory fight. unless they are planning to back out or if Casimero is planning to back out of the fight.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 26, 2022, 03:54:53 PM

Is the lawsuit against Casimero on the alleged rape is still not solved? I cannot see any updates about it on the internet, so hopefully they already solved it.

I agree, the incident was just a coincidence and it has nothing to do with his upcoming fight or his previous promoter. Also, Casimero shouldn't worry about that for now nor let that issue distract him in his preparation against Paul Butler. Anyways, if he is really innocent then there's nothing to worry about.

I have not read an update about that lawsuit on Casimero but I think that is taken care of because they have not spoken a word about that case on their vlogs.

But I have also seen a youtube video of a content creator where he said that there is a tweet by Team Butler on March 5 asking MP promotions on who really is their opponent. This might have something to do with the case of Casimero and they don't want to prepare for a fight with Casimero in mind but in the end, fighting a different opponent would be disastrous for their preparation.

Well this is worrying, maybe things were fixed and they don't want to give statements until the official verdict is obtained and they make it public, unless Butler already handles the information and it's something bad and this meeting can't take place, I think In that scenario things would be bad, I don't think Casimero would blame him, it would be something infamous and they would practically be ending the boxer's entire career, if this is the case then Butler would be looking for new matches, but it would be something bad for him. Well, he already has a previous preparation and this would only cause inconvenience for many, especially for bettors.

I thought the schedule is already fixed.

Why would Butler tweet like that? Isn't he the mandatory opponent of Casimero? I hope that tweet has no real substance because not seeing Casimero fight this year would cast doubt on his future in boxing. I mean, he is still a champion, he deserved to fight the best and get more fights.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 26, 2022, 06:02:06 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on March 26, 2022, 03:54:53 PM

Is the lawsuit against Casimero on the alleged rape is still not solved? I cannot see any updates about it on the internet, so hopefully they already solved it.

I agree, the incident was just a coincidence and it has nothing to do with his upcoming fight or his previous promoter. Also, Casimero shouldn't worry about that for now nor let that issue distract him in his preparation against Paul Butler. Anyways, if he is really innocent then there's nothing to worry about.

I have not read an update about that lawsuit on Casimero but I think that is taken care of because they have not spoken a word about that case on their vlogs.

But I have also seen a youtube video of a content creator where he said that there is a tweet by Team Butler on March 5 asking MP promotions on who really is their opponent. This might have something to do with the case of Casimero and they don't want to prepare for a fight with Casimero in mind but in the end, fighting a different opponent would be disastrous for their preparation.

Well this is worrying, maybe things were fixed and they don't want to give statements until the official verdict is obtained and they make it public, unless Butler already handles the information and it's something bad and this meeting can't take place, I think In that scenario things would be bad, I don't think Casimero would blame him, it would be something infamous and they would practically be ending the boxer's entire career, if this is the case then Butler would be looking for new matches, but it would be something bad for him. Well, he already has a previous preparation and this would only cause inconvenience for many, especially for bettors.

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Quote from: Lanatsa on March 30, 2022, 04:46:39 PM

Surprisingly and this is my first time on hearing it out and did make out some research and found this.
https://sports.inquirer.net/452177/john-riel-casimero-faces-abuse-acts-of-lasciviousness-complaints
John Riel Casimero faces abuse, acts of lasciviousness complaints

Its true that these issues wont really be that enough for his fight to be dismissed again.We dont even
know if this one had already been resolved.

That was an old article already, ok not that old but over a month. There's no other news after that. Seems the case was not progressing until the end of Casimero's fight. There's a hearing on that and the attorney's presence is not enough as Casimero needs to attend it.

Maybe they are just waiting for Casimero's return here in the Philippines before proceeding with the case.

Casimero has its legal team for sure and they are working on that case. They won't allow distraction for Casimero now that his fight is nearing.

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