[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 17.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 22, 2022, 02:13:52 PM

That's likely going to happen if Casimero won't show up again, this is his last chance so he should really work more hard now because he was given a chance instead of getting stripped after that incident in Dubai last year but I think that wouldn't going to happen this time as his camp is really focusing on his health now.

After that Dubai incident, Probellum has announced it clearly that this April fight for Casimero is his last chance and if that incident will happen again then he would be strip of the belt and they will look for a replacement boxer so I think they are now scouting or we could say that a "plan B" is in place.

Probellum was caught off guard on that Dubai incident so I think they learned their lessons well and hard lol.

Yes, we can quite assume that "Plan B" is just waiting and sitting around the corner if Casimero fails again this time but I think the burden is now passed on MP Promotions since Casimero's contract with Probellum have already ended last February 2022, IIRC.

MP Promotions have been trying their best so that Casimero's won't fail this time around and as for now, seems Casimero isn't having some difficulties. Anyway, we will see this coming few weeks but I hope he will be healthy.

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Quote from: molsewid on March 23, 2022, 10:28:31 AM

And this is the thing that Casimero should be grateful for because of the chance that Probellum gave to him instead of easily stripping off the belt to him....

Correction, it's not Probellum who decided not to strip him the belt, it's the WBO.
you can read the whole story here : https://www.ringtv.com/632479-john-riel-casimero-remains-wbo-titleholder-must-face-mandatory-paul-butler/

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John Riel Casimero will get to hold on to the WBO bantamweight title through the holidays.

In a five-page decision, the Puerto Rico-based sanctioning body ruled Thursday that Casimero will not be stripped of his belt after failing to show up for the weigh-in for his mandatory challenge against Paul Butler, which was scheduled for December 11 in Dubai.

Casimero (31-4, 21 knockouts) of Ormoc City, Leyte, Philippines had been hospitalized on December 9, the day before the weigh-in, due to gastritis, with symptoms including vomiting, stomach pain and dehydration.

Casimero’s team, represented by his attorney Steve Pacitti, provided medical documents corroborating their version of events, leading the WBO to grant their request that Casimero not be stripped of the belt he won with a third round knockout of Zolani Tete in November of 2019.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 23, 2022, 04:37:27 AM

Yeah, you are right, perhaps they think that it was a go for Casimero until the day of the weigh in wherein John Riel was a no show. Although they try to salvage the fight by having a late replacement for Casimero, Butler didn't bite the bullet.

And it's good that he didn't and still hope that he can fight Casimero with his belt. So Casimero better be ready because his future in on the line here.

And this is the thing that Casimero should be grateful for because of the chance that Probellum gave to him instead of easily stripping off the belt to him, he has given a chance to still fight to defend his belt. Casimero fans and all the boxing fans are still hoping to watch this battle and hopefully, Casimero will win against Butler. I just do hope that his recent health issues which is the cause of his absence during the weight-in will not be the cause for him to lose this game.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 23, 2022, 04:37:27 AM

Although they try to salvage the fight by having a late replacement for Casimero, Butler didn't bite the bullet.

That's understandable because no challenger would fight the replacement if he would not benefit anyway, if there's a chance that he would fight a championship fight although it's on the later date, then he would certainly go for that as winning the fight means getting the belt.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 22, 2022, 04:32:23 PM

Quote from: Botnake on March 22, 2022, 02:13:52 PM

That's likely going to happen if Casimero won't show up again, this is his last chance so he should really work more hard now because he was given a chance instead of getting stripped after that incident in Dubai last year but I think that wouldn't going to happen this time as his camp is really focusing on his health now.

After that Dubai incident, Probellum has announced it clearly that this April fight for Casimero is his last chance and if that incident will happen again then he would be strip of the belt and they will look for a replacement boxer so I think they are now scouting or we could say that a "plan B" is in place.

Probellum was caught off guard on that Dubai incident so I think they learned their lessons well and hard lol.

Yeah, you are right, perhaps they think that it was a go for Casimero until the day of the weigh in wherein John Riel was a no show. Although they try to salvage the fight by having a late replacement for Casimero, Butler didn't bite the bullet.

And it's good that he didn't and still hope that he can fight Casimero with his belt. So Casimero better be ready because his future in on the line here.

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Quote from: Japinat on March 22, 2022, 07:32:02 AM

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If he has problem making weight then he should go on and move on the next weight class after this one, otherwise, if he either fight Inoue or Donaire, he might not be 100% because of the difficulty of making the required weight.

If Casimero will lose the belt because he didn't make it to the weigh-in, for sure Inoue would have an easy way to become an undisputed champion because Casimero is not in the bantamweight anymore and he doesn't have to fight him.

This scenario is not good, so hopefully it will not happen and Casimero will focus on his goal and will remain discipline all the time.

As much as we don't what that to happen to Casimero, who knows, there are a lot of boxers who loses their belt in the weighing scale.

Yes, this scenario is not really good for Casimero, he needs to be focus on training and his team will have to work 100% on him to make the weight. And also the mental aspects of it, sometimes it could also affect athletes, specially when there is a lot at stakes in a fight.

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Quote from: rodskee on March 21, 2022, 10:42:00 PM

but as far as my observation is concern it is Donaire who may lose the opportunity to win again because nowadays he losses his speed and powerpunches in which the disadvantage in beating Inoue?

I think you have to watch the recent fights of Nonito Donaire. Maybe you can start from their first match with Naoya Inoue. Or start from the tournament before facing Inoue in the Finals. Watch how he climbed the ladder at that veteran age until beating the prime and young Reymart Gaballo.

From watching those, tell us where did you notice that nowadays Nonito losses his speed and power punches.

Maybe you can come back and will change your statement regarding that.

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Quote from: Botnake on March 22, 2022, 02:13:52 PM

That's likely going to happen if Casimero won't show up again, this is his last chance so he should really work more hard now because he was given a chance instead of getting stripped after that incident in Dubai last year but I think that wouldn't going to happen this time as his camp is really focusing on his health now.

After that Dubai incident, Probellum has announced it clearly that this April fight for Casimero is his last chance and if that incident will happen again then he would be strip of the belt and they will look for a replacement boxer so I think they are now scouting or we could say that a "plan B" is in place.

Probellum was caught off guard on that Dubai incident so I think they learned their lessons well and hard lol.

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It was gastritis specifically and if this would happen on 2nd time around or would be having some medical issues on upcoming fight which is 1 month from now then it would really be having some irresponsibility from Casimero's side which should really be taking the blame and of course it would really be resulting for possible belt to be stripped but i highly doubt that it would happen again on this
upcoming schedule.People had been longing for this fight and hopefully there wont be some health issues to rise up.

After that incident, I'm sure Casimero's camp takes that as a lesson and now doing their best not to happen again.

They understand the consequences if ever Casimero will be the reason again for the fight to be delayed or canceled. In the first place, it just makes sense for WBO to strip the title to a champion that is unable to fight properly because of health issues.

Next month, we hope for the best that there will be no delay again because of Casimero. Don't want to see him being stripped in a title without fighting for it on the ring.

they only have one shot for that particular health reason. if it will happen again, i don't think they will receive the same treatment from the boxing community as well as from the boxing authorities. we need him to fight not give reasons not to see him fight. this has been in discussion for so long already. if this will be an upset, eyeing for inoue will be far-fetched.
no odds yet but casimero may be favoured here.

Definitely, it's a one done deal for Casimero and his camp, if he didn't show up again, he will be strip and lose his chances of a bigger payday against Inoue or any champion in the division. And I would say that he is lucky to be given the second chance, so he shouldn't have any excuses and be professional against Butler.

If he has problem making weight then he should go on and move on the next weight class after this one, otherwise, if he either fight Inoue or Donaire, he might not be 100% because of the difficulty of making the required weight.

That's likely going to happen if Casimero won't show up again, this is his last chance so he should really work more hard now because he was given a chance instead of getting stripped after that incident in Dubai last year but I think that wouldn't going to happen this time as his camp is really focusing on his health now.

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They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

I agree – the uncertainty is biggest odd in sports. It can kill the moral and can put the player in difficult situation. Mental health is a real challenge even once admits it or not. I believe Casimero and Butler are great players and what the fans want is some amazing entertainment when there is so much odd news coming from around the world . Let’s hope that this fight finally happens.

There's a possibility that this covid situation would down to endemic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/18/heres-how-covid-19-transitions-from-a-pandemic-to-endemic.html
Also, we have that reason of delay on this fight which it isnt attached to covid but rather on health issue thats why better to hope for all possible things to be avoided so that we wont really be having any other delay.

Yes, there's a possibility about that but let's just hope for the bright side that Covid will be shut down for good this year if they can.

Health issues and injuries are the #1 enemy not just in boxers but for most athletes in different sports as well and sometimes it's inevitable. But usually these injuries and health issues are just labeled as minor problems because their body are built different and often times these issues won't be long. Let's just hope that there won't be any major issues so that they can fight on the said schedule.

We are all hoping for this pandemic to be over because we do see lots of delays and postponement because of this very common reason.It do really sucks and also we do really
like to watch out fights on personal basis if its really that possible to do so or you are just near rather than on seeing it on a screen.

For the fight then it was delayed for too long then that do really adds an ample time for them to train or condition their body.

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They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

I agree – the uncertainty is biggest odd in sports. It can kill the moral and can put the player in difficult situation. Mental health is a real challenge even once admits it or not. I believe Casimero and Butler are great players and what the fans want is some amazing entertainment when there is so much odd news coming from around the world . Let’s hope that this fight finally happens.

There's a possibility that this covid situation would down to endemic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/18/heres-how-covid-19-transitions-from-a-pandemic-to-endemic.html
Also, we have that reason of delay on this fight which it isnt attached to covid but rather on health issue thats why better to hope for all possible things to be avoided so that we wont really be having any other delay.

Yes, there's a possibility about that but let's just hope for the bright side that Covid will be shut down for good this year if they can.

Health issues and injuries are the #1 enemy not just in boxers but for most athletes in different sports as well and sometimes it's inevitable. But usually these injuries and health issues are just labeled as minor problems because their body are built different and often times these issues won't be long. Let's just hope that there won't be any major issues so that they can fight on the said schedule.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on March 22, 2022, 07:23:44 AM

If he has problem making weight then he should go on and move on the next weight class after this one, otherwise, if he either fight Inoue or Donaire, he might not be 100% because of the difficulty of making the required weight.

If Casimero will lose the belt because he didn't make it to the weigh-in, for sure Inoue would have an easy way to become an undisputed champion because Casimero is not in the bantamweight anymore and he doesn't have to fight him.

This scenario is not good, so hopefully it will not happen and Casimero will focus on his goal and will remain discipline all the time.

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It was gastritis specifically and if this would happen on 2nd time around or would be having some medical issues on upcoming fight which is 1 month from now then it would really be having some irresponsibility from Casimero's side which should really be taking the blame and of course it would really be resulting for possible belt to be stripped but i highly doubt that it would happen again on this
upcoming schedule.People had been longing for this fight and hopefully there wont be some health issues to rise up.

After that incident, I'm sure Casimero's camp takes that as a lesson and now doing their best not to happen again.

They understand the consequences if ever Casimero will be the reason again for the fight to be delayed or canceled. In the first place, it just makes sense for WBO to strip the title to a champion that is unable to fight properly because of health issues.

Next month, we hope for the best that there will be no delay again because of Casimero. Don't want to see him being stripped in a title without fighting for it on the ring.

they only have one shot for that particular health reason. if it will happen again, i don't think they will receive the same treatment from the boxing community as well as from the boxing authorities. we need him to fight not give reasons not to see him fight. this has been in discussion for so long already. if this will be an upset, eyeing for inoue will be far-fetched.
no odds yet but casimero may be favoured here.

Definitely, it's a one done deal for Casimero and his camp, if he didn't show up again, he will be strip and lose his chances of a bigger payday against Inoue or any champion in the division. And I would say that he is lucky to be given the second chance, so he shouldn't have any excuses and be professional against Butler.

If he has problem making weight then he should go on and move on the next weight class after this one, otherwise, if he either fight Inoue or Donaire, he might not be 100% because of the difficulty of making the required weight.

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No doubt that if the fight will happen between Inoue and Casimero, it would be in the 4th Quarter of this year.

But before that, Casimero should win first against Paul Butler. The result of Inoue vs Donaire also might change Casimero's next match if ever he won because the scenario will be, if Donaire will able to upset Inoue, there will be a sure rematch and that will be prioritized first compare facing Casimero.

Casimero has to wait until next year if Donaire will win. If not, then we can now expect that he will face Inoue later this year.

Well to be honest a fight scheduled on 4th quarter is quite an anticipating fight that of course the promoter should place a boxer or fighter that really has a famous name to you know be the highlight of the years end fight. And I believe scheduling Casimero vs. Inoue at that fight schedule will be a great schedule choice because boxing fans are really exciting for the face off of these two fighters. I can't wait to see these two inside the ring and let's witness who is the great fighter among them.

no doubt that Casimero had already gained His name and Popularity in his division , and of course Inoue as Japan's Monster fighter has His own name much popular that Casimero.

so if they will be in the top list then i believe that Boxing fan like me will put budget and time for this to be watched and of course to Bet for.

but first He must defeat Butler and Inoue should win over Donaire .

Casimero beating Butler is easier than Inoue beating Donaire again, that's my prediction. However, if we want to see Inoue vs Casimero, Donaire has to lose the fight and retire, and then that will open up an opportunity for these two boxers (Inoue vs Casimero) to have a chance to be an undisputed champion.

I'm sure Inoue will not say no to that opportunity.

meaning in your view there is a big opportunity that Donaire may win against Inoue? because you said that it is easier for casimero to beat Butler than Inoue beating Donaire?
but as far as my observation is concern it is Donaire who may lose the opportunity to win again because nowadays he losses his speed and powerpunches in which the disadvantage in beating Inoue?
but let's see what comes to these 4 boxers soon.

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Quote from: harizen on March 21, 2022, 06:53:45 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on March 21, 2022, 06:03:02 PM

It was gastritis specifically and if this would happen on 2nd time around or would be having some medical issues on upcoming fight which is 1 month from now then it would really be having some irresponsibility from Casimero's side which should really be taking the blame and of course it would really be resulting for possible belt to be stripped but i highly doubt that it would happen again on this
upcoming schedule.People had been longing for this fight and hopefully there wont be some health issues to rise up.

After that incident, I'm sure Casimero's camp takes that as a lesson and now doing their best not to happen again.

They understand the consequences if ever Casimero will be the reason again for the fight to be delayed or canceled. In the first place, it just makes sense for WBO to strip the title to a champion that is unable to fight properly because of health issues.

Next month, we hope for the best that there will be no delay again because of Casimero. Don't want to see him being stripped in a title without fighting for it on the ring.

they only have one shot for that particular health reason. if it will happen again, i don't think they will receive the same treatment from the boxing community as well as from the boxing authorities. we need him to fight not give reasons not to see him fight. this has been in discussion for so long already. if this will be an upset, eyeing for inoue will be far-fetched.
no odds yet but casimero may be favoured here.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on March 21, 2022, 06:03:02 PM

It was gastritis specifically and if this would happen on 2nd time around or would be having some medical issues on upcoming fight which is 1 month from now then it would really be having some irresponsibility from Casimero's side which should really be taking the blame and of course it would really be resulting for possible belt to be stripped but i highly doubt that it would happen again on this
upcoming schedule.People had been longing for this fight and hopefully there wont be some health issues to rise up.

After that incident, I'm sure Casimero's camp takes that as a lesson and now doing their best not to happen again.

They understand the consequences if ever Casimero will be the reason again for the fight to be delayed or canceled. In the first place, it just makes sense for WBO to strip the title to a champion that is unable to fight properly because of health issues.

Next month, we hope for the best that there will be no delay again because of Casimero. Don't want to see him being stripped in a title without fighting for it on the ring.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 21, 2022, 08:05:54 AM

They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

I agree – the uncertainty is biggest odd in sports. It can kill the moral and can put the player in difficult situation. Mental health is a real challenge even once admits it or not. I believe Casimero and Butler are great players and what the fans want is some amazing entertainment when there is so much odd news coming from around the world . Let’s hope that this fight finally happens.

There's a possibility that this covid situation would down to endemic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/18/heres-how-covid-19-transitions-from-a-pandemic-to-endemic.html
Also, we have that reason of delay on this fight which it isnt attached to covid but rather on health issue thats why better to hope for all possible things to be avoided so that we wont really be having any other delay.

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Quote from: South Park on March 21, 2022, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on March 21, 2022, 08:05:54 AM

They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

I agree – the uncertainty is biggest odd in sports. It can kill the moral and can put the player in difficult situation. Mental health is a real challenge even once admits it or not. I believe Casimero and Butler are great players and what the fans want is some amazing entertainment when there is so much odd news coming from around the world . Let’s hope that this fight finally happens.

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Quote from: South Park on March 21, 2022, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on March 21, 2022, 08:05:54 AM

They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

It was gastritis specifically and if this would happen on 2nd time around or would be having some medical issues on upcoming fight which is 1 month from now then it would really be having some irresponsibility

from Casimero's side which should really be taking the blame and of course it would really be resulting for possible belt to be stripped but i highly doubt that it would happen again on this
upcoming schedule.People had been longing for this fight and hopefully there wont be some health issues to rise up.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on March 21, 2022, 08:05:54 AM

They know what to do already, it's so stupid if they will do the same mistake twice and just let the belt be taken by Butler. I think Casimero will work harder here, he wants to have a big fight, he should take this fight seriously and deliver a big win.

I think we can all understand that people can get sick all of a sudden and this is why the fight got delayed, however while this happening once can be attributed to chance if it happened a second time then it would be impossible to not think that there was some negligence on Casimero's camp or we could even speculate that there was something else going on and someone was trying to boycott the fight, so lets us hope this does not happen again and we can finally see Casimero fighting against Butler.

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