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I've been watch most of the game by Casimero and it has a good preparation and gives a good output in every match in that cases he have a previous issue way back to December and i guess his already makes a full recovery with that i guess enough of having almost three months of make a break and now defending his title for this upcoming April if I'm not mistaken lets see if we got another title holder a defending champion.
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I also believed that it's much better if Casimero learns to be more observant without the need to open his mouth. But like as you both guys said, Casimero has proved many times that he is not just for talk because he can also make it happen and beat his opponents on their own soil and the one who's going home bringing the glory and belt.

I think it's almost impossible that Casimero will learn to behave, even if he lose I'm definitely sure that he will talk even bigger.
He has something to prove and he's different from other boxers that are just all talk. At least with him, when he boasts, there's really something to boast.
But I do agree that he has to behave and I'm sure that it's not impossible, he can do that. It's just all about that his attitude is like that but if there's a need to keep silent, he'll be silent.
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He needs to get this fight on his favor to maximize the chances of fighting Inoue sometime this year soon. About Casimero's nutrionist and conditioning coach, I saw a video on YouTube that MP Promotions have selected Jeneath Aro to be his nutritionist and that they won't give Casimero some slack because Butler is a former champion too.

Jeneath Aro is a good nutritionist too and if I'm correct she is the nutritionist of Magsayo as well. What Casimero really needed in this Butler fight is a good nutritionist as we all know that he is gaining weight far from his fight weight whenever he is on a break which could entail heavy work to bring back to his weight limit for a fight thus causing him troubles.

I'm mentioning this on my previous post that the real opponent of Casimero is himself. If he could get his weight limit before a fight with a well condition body then Butler will have trouble in the ring facing him.

Correct, she's so good that almost everyone she helped had a medal and have win just like what she did to Hidilyn Diaz, she's also the conditioning coach and nutritionist for Magsayo. Good thing that Casimero have her on his back to watch his weight because as you said, Casimero is really having some difficulties on his weight as he can gain fast even if he just rest for a bit.
It's good if Casimero will have someone very positive on his side and it could also trickle down on Casimero's winning mentality. As in sports you need to surround yourself with positive people so that you can inherit it. And hopefully he won't have that difficulties anymore to make this weight because it seems that he has outgrown this weight by the looks of his physical body. But hopefully with with the new trainer, everything will still be smooth and making weight is not a problem.
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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

Casimero since the beginning does have a behavior like that. That's not because he wants to market the fight. But the difference between him and those other boxers that do trash talks is, he is able to prove it on the actual fight.

Beating Casimero will be the hardest job for Paul Butler in the history of his boxing. But if he was able to do it, that's big news and his career will change for good.

Probably just for bragging rights, so I would say that the behavior is normal, we have seen it in Ali and other legendary boxers who trash talk but they can back it up. It's one thing to trash talk, but other if you can't back it up in the ring.

And as we have seen, Casimero can do his trash talking because his records speaks for itself and maybe that's why he is so arrogant about it. But who knows, maybe he will face some boxers that is tougher that him and can handle his power.

Yeah, but it's better for Casimero not to talk that way, it will just sway fans of him because they are not used to seeing him attacking his opponents with trash talk.

He is already known in the boxing scene before because he has the courage to go to the opponents home soil and beat them up. He should just continue doing this like in the Paul Butler fight because trash talking might back fire on him.

I also believed that it's much better if Casimero learns to be more observant without the need to open his mouth. But like as you both guys said, Casimero has proved many times that he is not just for talk because he can also make it happen and beat his opponents on their own soil and the one who's going home bringing the glory and belt.

I think it's almost impossible that Casimero will learn to behave, even if he lose I'm definitely sure that he will talk even bigger.
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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

You don't believe that? Well, I respect your beliefs, but trash talking that creates bad blood will obviously sell more tickets and will hype the match. That is what the fans wants to see.
Even with the different sports, they need to create drama to sell it to the fans.
If you notice Mayweather, he is a good boxer, but why does he need to be cocky or arrogant? That's because some boxing fans find his fighting style as boring, unlike Manny. But then again, being an arrogant boxer might only be a role, but in personal life they are actually not.
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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

Casimero since the beginning does have a behavior like that. That's not because he wants to market the fight. But the difference between him and those other boxers that do trash talks is, he is able to prove it on the actual fight.

Beating Casimero will be the hardest job for Paul Butler in the history of his boxing. But if he was able to do it, that's big news and his career will change for good.

It certainly depends on the situation, there are times that doing some random that trash talk helps the both camp sell the fight even more and make some hype for the fight, yes for the avid fans trash talking won't be needed but they are just trying to make other people curious about them so that others who doesn't know them or not their fans will also watch them out of curiosity.

Don't take it wrong because I got your point. What I'm trying to say that aside from the fact that we knew that Casimero is very talkative not at times but surely most of the times he opens his mouth even if he doesn't need to, but the reason is just an another marketing strategy.
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He needs to get this fight on his favor to maximize the chances of fighting Inoue sometime this year soon. About Casimero's nutrionist and conditioning coach, I saw a video on YouTube that MP Promotions have selected Jeneath Aro to be his nutritionist and that they won't give Casimero some slack because Butler is a former champion too.

Jeneath Aro is a good nutritionist too and if I'm correct she is the nutritionist of Magsayo as well. What Casimero really needed in this Butler fight is a good nutritionist as we all know that he is gaining weight far from his fight weight whenever he is on a break which could entail heavy work to bring back to his weight limit for a fight thus causing him troubles.

I'm mentioning this on my previous post that the real opponent of Casimero is himself. If he could get his weight limit before a fight with a well condition body then Butler will have trouble in the ring facing him.

Correct, she's so good that almost everyone she helped had a medal and have win just like what she did to Hidilyn Diaz, she's also the conditioning coach and nutritionist for Magsayo. Good thing that Casimero have her on his back to watch his weight because as you said, Casimero is really having some difficulties on his weight as he can gain fast even if he just rest for a bit.

That might be a catch for Butler. Aro knows how to work with his clients

Having her inside Casimero's camp, the fighting chance is high, monitoring his weight and have a good routine
to make sure that everything will be working together, both body and all those foods and supplements are well
Monitored. If Casimero will be fit before the fight, Butler will be in trouble knowing how Casimero moves inside
the ring he's still on his prime and his speed and strength are big factors why he still has his belt.
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He needs to get this fight on his favor to maximize the chances of fighting Inoue sometime this year soon. About Casimero's nutrionist and conditioning coach, I saw a video on YouTube that MP Promotions have selected Jeneath Aro to be his nutritionist and that they won't give Casimero some slack because Butler is a former champion too.

Jeneath Aro is a good nutritionist too and if I'm correct she is the nutritionist of Magsayo as well. What Casimero really needed in this Butler fight is a good nutritionist as we all know that he is gaining weight far from his fight weight whenever he is on a break which could entail heavy work to bring back to his weight limit for a fight thus causing him troubles.

I'm mentioning this on my previous post that the real opponent of Casimero is himself. If he could get his weight limit before a fight with a well condition body then Butler will have trouble in the ring facing him.

Correct, she's so good that almost everyone she helped had a medal and have win just like what she did to Hidilyn Diaz, she's also the conditioning coach and nutritionist for Magsayo. Good thing that Casimero have her on his back to watch his weight because as you said, Casimero is really having some difficulties on his weight as he can gain fast even if he just rest for a bit.
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Yeah, but it's better for Casimero not to talk that way, it will just sway fans of him because they are not used to seeing him attacking his opponents with trash talk.

He is already known in the boxing scene before because he has the courage to go to the opponents home soil and beat them up. He should just continue doing this like in the Paul Butler fight because trash talking might back fire on him.

Casimero is now being known not just as a good boxer but also a man full of talk, a trash talk to his opponents by the way lol. I mean, it's truly better for him to not talk that way, trash-talking will not going to help him to become a great fighter by the way, and will not probably going to help him to win the battle against Butler or against whoever opponents he will going to fight inside the ring. Instead of wasting his time to trash talk his opponents he should better use his energy to his training that way it could greatly help him to his upcoming fight.

Even back during the time he is starting his boxing career, it's already known by some that Casimero is really a trash talker. The attitude was being carried now that he's a champion. I don't know if he knows the meaning of being humble but don't expect that he will change that kind of attitude.

This year, there's no report that he does any trash talk to his opponent. He really should keep that way and focus on his health.

Paul Butler is not even doing the same way. He understands that he is an underdog. I like his attitude of just focusing on his preparation.
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Yeah, but it's better for Casimero not to talk that way, it will just sway fans of him because they are not used to seeing him attacking his opponents with trash talk.

He is already known in the boxing scene before because he has the courage to go to the opponents home soil and beat them up. He should just continue doing this like in the Paul Butler fight because trash talking might back fire on him.

Casimero is now being known not just as a good boxer but also a man full of talk, a trash talk to his opponents by the way lol. I mean, it's truly better for him to not talk that way, trash-talking will not going to help him to become a great fighter by the way, and will not probably going to help him to win the battle against Butler or against whoever opponents he will going to fight inside the ring. Instead of wasting his time to trash talk his opponents he should better use his energy to his training that way it could greatly help him to his upcoming fight.
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^^ It's mostly local boxers in the undercard, and it should be a good exposure for them fighting on the undercard and show their talents not just in UK, but around the world as well.
No local boxers from the Philippines from the names posted by Harizen, and personally, I don't know any of those boxers in the list of undercards.

I would love to see Casimero test Inoue, on the other hand, it's good to hear that Donaire will have another chance against Inoue. He gave Inoue the hardest part and for sure he has learned a lot of lessons from that fight and he would adjust and reset everything in the rematch.
Yes, Inoue will certainly adjust but it's not only him, for sure Donaire have some plans on how to win the fight.
Though the last fight ended a UD win by Inoue, this time, I hope it will be different, it will be a more unpredictable fight.

Casimero will have his time soon if he get past Butler first.
That's right, if he can successfully defend his title, he get the chance to fight against Inoue.
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^^ It's mostly local boxers in the undercard, and it should be a good exposure for them fighting on the undercard and show their talents not just in UK, but around the world as well.

I would love to see Casimero test Inoue, on the other hand, it's good to hear that Donaire will have another chance against Inoue. He gave Inoue the hardest part and for sure he has learned a lot of lessons from that fight and he would adjust and reset everything in the rematch. Casimero will have his time soon if he get past Butler first.
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The undercard is now getting in shape too. As per recent news, some names involves in the undercard for this Casimero vs Butler main event are Rocky Fielding, Jazza Dickens, Sam Maxwell, Blane Hyland, Will Cawley, and Harry Kinsella.

Mostly, on Super Middleweight and Super Lightweight class and some are climbing up ranks.

Let's see if there's a considered big fish that will join the undercard of this fight.

You are right, for me Casimero Vs inoue is the fight that seems most exciting to me, in fact I think that both boxers want to fight internally, we do not know if there are already some contacts, some arrangements, but I think that before all this they want to make the most of it with other boxers, from what I have said, because of the enormous business model that exists in boxing, millions of dollars are put at stake here, and the profit for each promoter is very juicy, they know that with just one The fight between Inoue and Casimero will be many more millions, but they see it as killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, because the fans are the ones who practically give life to boxing, and oxygen (money) to the promoters.

It's a good thing that the Casimero-Inoue bout is not pushed last year as we know what happens to Casimero last December during the weigh-in and just only a day before the fight with Paul Butler. That will result in Inoue not taking Casimero anymore due to medical issues.

It's good that WBA stepped in and assign a mandatory title defense for Casimero since at least, Butler will just wait until Casimero can now finally fight instead of Inoue that once the fight is canceled, he will move on to another one as part of his followed timeline.
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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

Casimero since the beginning does have a behavior like that. That's not because he wants to market the fight. But the difference between him and those other boxers that do trash talks is, he is able to prove it on the actual fight.

Beating Casimero will be the hardest job for Paul Butler in the history of his boxing. But if he was able to do it, that's big news and his career will change for good.

Probably just for bragging rights, so I would say that the behavior is normal, we have seen it in Ali and other legendary boxers who trash talk but they can back it up. It's one thing to trash talk, but other if you can't back it up in the ring.

And as we have seen, Casimero can do his trash talking because his records speaks for itself and maybe that's why he is so arrogant about it. But who knows, maybe he will face some boxers that is tougher that him and can handle his power.

Yeah, but it's better for Casimero not to talk that way, it will just sway fans of him because they are not used to seeing him attacking his opponents with trash talk.

He is already known in the boxing scene before because he has the courage to go to the opponents home soil and beat them up. He should just continue doing this like in the Paul Butler fight because trash talking might back fire on him.
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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

Casimero since the beginning does have a behavior like that. That's not because he wants to market the fight. But the difference between him and those other boxers that do trash talks is, he is able to prove it on the actual fight.

Beating Casimero will be the hardest job for Paul Butler in the history of his boxing. But if he was able to do it, that's big news and his career will change for good.

Probably just for bragging rights, so I would say that the behavior is normal, we have seen it in Ali and other legendary boxers who trash talk but they can back it up. It's one thing to trash talk, but other if you can't back it up in the ring.

And as we have seen, Casimero can do his trash talking because his records speaks for itself and maybe that's why he is so arrogant about it. But who knows, maybe he will face some boxers that is tougher that him and can handle his power.
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Fight Butler and then knock him out, simply formula to get the attention of Inoue and his camp.
Or maybe the other way around, what if Inoue would chicken out after seeing how Casimero knock out Butler. We know that he is undefeated and working with the Top Rank promotion, would Bob willing to risk his cash cow against a known good counter puncher that has the ability to KO an opponent?

I don't think boxers are chickening out just because their supposedly opponent knock out someone. This game is about "machismo", - masculine pride. So Inoue will be more likely wanted to fight Casimero and show who is the tougher and who will be knock out. Bob though is a wise promoter, just maybe he will wait it out and try to milk Inoue more by fighting other names first. There was a rumor already that Inoue vs Donaire is going to happen this year so Casimero will have to wait and fall in line again.
Just like what I emphasized, Inoue still depends on his promoter, if Top Rank does not want to risk him against Casimero, then the fight will not happen. I believe that Casimero had already won big fights int he past that could attract the attention of Inoue if he really want to fight him, Casimero beat Tete and the boxers after that fight, so why still he cannot sign a contract with Casimero?
You are right, for me Casimero Vs inoue is the fight that seems most exciting to me, in fact I think that both boxers want to fight internally, we do not know if there are already some contacts, some arrangements, but I think that before all this they want to make the most of it with other boxers, from what I have said, because of the enormous business model that exists in boxing, millions of dollars are put at stake here, and the profit for each promoter is very juicy, they know that with just one The fight between Inoue and Casimero will be many more millions, but they see it as killing the goose that lays the golden eggs, because the fans are the ones who practically give life to boxing, and oxygen (money) to the promoters.

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Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.

I don't believe that trash talks will make the fight hype. In the first place, if they really believe that they have a good name, fans will really watch their fight. That attitude is more of being arrogant and non-sense.

Casimero since the beginning does have a behavior like that. That's not because he wants to market the fight. But the difference between him and those other boxers that do trash talks is, he is able to prove it on the actual fight.

Beating Casimero will be the hardest job for Paul Butler in the history of his boxing. But if he was able to do it, that's big news and his career will change for good.
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Yes, we are talking about his future fight, but Casimero has one in his hand right now and it is not going to be a walk in the park fight. Butler will go and show his talent in front of his hometown and Casimero will have to dig deeper and try to knock out Butler so that there will be no doubt.

For now, stop pre-occupying his mind with Inoue, because it will not help him that much in this fight.

We are certainly looking forward to a future fight of Casimero especially if he will be given a chance to have a face-off against Inoue because we all knew that this is one of the great fights that we can ever see. But for now, he needs to keep his focus on his upcoming battle against Butler and he must aim to win this fight either via Unanimous Decision or much better if he wins against butler via Knock Out. Though Casimero have some personal issues or problems but this time his career should be his top priority.

That's the chance he really needs, and if he beats Inoue, for sure he will get the respect that he deserves.

If he sticks with his trash-talking technique, I think there's no problem with that because he proves that he can do the talking inside and outside the ring.
Asian champions rule in the bantamweight division, it's time to have an undisputed champion to know who really is the best.
I think that's what Casimero wanted to have, some respect because after all he is also a champion and have been tearing up this division for the last couple of years. But he can't have that respect if he goes and continue to trash talk Donaire (before) and Inoue. He should not be opening his mouth, just go out and fight and then knock out every one of his opponent and for sure he will get the respect amongst the boxing community.
Trashtalk is the most common way on selling out their fights which is understandable but it do really comes into a point on which it do crosses out the border line or simply going personally which isnt really appealing
at all just like on what he had done in donaire.
https://www.sportworldnews.org/boxing/news/5044/donaire-withdraws-from-the-fight-against-casimero-because-of-the-trash-talk/
No one would really like on involving his wife and i couldnt really blame him out on withdrawing the fight because of that reason.It would be better if he do just be quiet and beat out
on whatever or whosever would be the opponent.
Yeah, but if the trash talk comes from a boxer which English is not their first language, it doesn't sound right. There are fighters though in the past the really crosses the like, Mayorga talks about dela Hoya's wife and look at what happen to Mayorga, he was knock out in that fight. It was in Spanish though but dela Hoya is Mexican American so he understands it. But if Casimero do the trash talking? Nah. And it's good that he keeps quiet right now and no more going into the public and bad mouthing his opponent.
Trashtalking is part of selling out the game or fight as they say but it do looks like that it do affect overall interest if you do someone who had been attacking personally.
We couldnt stop them on making out those words though but it is really better if they do just keep silent and dont tend to hurt someone through words.

Its normal in this industry because every noise they made counts as this add up the interest of their fans to watch the game since trash talking will build up some hype and controversy to the fight which people like to see its no fun to see if they are both silent knowing Casimero is well known to his bad mouth techniques. Maybe the better thing to do is how his opponent can react on Casimeros trash talk if he slow down in the middle of the fight and been dominated by him then expect that more from this will come.
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Yes, we are talking about his future fight, but Casimero has one in his hand right now and it is not going to be a walk in the park fight. Butler will go and show his talent in front of his hometown and Casimero will have to dig deeper and try to knock out Butler so that there will be no doubt.

For now, stop pre-occupying his mind with Inoue, because it will not help him that much in this fight.

We are certainly looking forward to a future fight of Casimero especially if he will be given a chance to have a face-off against Inoue because we all knew that this is one of the great fights that we can ever see. But for now, he needs to keep his focus on his upcoming battle against Butler and he must aim to win this fight either via Unanimous Decision or much better if he wins against butler via Knock Out. Though Casimero have some personal issues or problems but this time his career should be his top priority.

That's the chance he really needs, and if he beats Inoue, for sure he will get the respect that he deserves.

If he sticks with his trash-talking technique, I think there's no problem with that because he proves that he can do the talking inside and outside the ring.
Asian champions rule in the bantamweight division, it's time to have an undisputed champion to know who really is the best.
I think that's what Casimero wanted to have, some respect because after all he is also a champion and have been tearing up this division for the last couple of years. But he can't have that respect if he goes and continue to trash talk Donaire (before) and Inoue. He should not be opening his mouth, just go out and fight and then knock out every one of his opponent and for sure he will get the respect amongst the boxing community.
Trashtalk is the most common way on selling out their fights which is understandable but it do really comes into a point on which it do crosses out the border line or simply going personally which isnt really appealing
at all just like on what he had done in donaire.
https://www.sportworldnews.org/boxing/news/5044/donaire-withdraws-from-the-fight-against-casimero-because-of-the-trash-talk/
No one would really like on involving his wife and i couldnt really blame him out on withdrawing the fight because of that reason.It would be better if he do just be quiet and beat out
on whatever or whosever would be the opponent.
Yeah, but if the trash talk comes from a boxer which English is not their first language, it doesn't sound right. There are fighters though in the past the really crosses the like, Mayorga talks about dela Hoya's wife and look at what happen to Mayorga, he was knock out in that fight. It was in Spanish though but dela Hoya is Mexican American so he understands it. But if Casimero do the trash talking? Nah. And it's good that he keeps quiet right now and no more going into the public and bad mouthing his opponent.
Doesnt matter on what would be the language because it would be still converted or would be translated to english most of the time to know on what you are talking against your opponent.

Trashtalking is part of selling out the game or fight as they say but it do looks like that it do affect overall interest if you do someone who had been attacking personally.
We couldnt stop them on making out those words though but it is really better if they do just keep silent and dont tend to hurt someone through words.
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He needs to get this fight on his favor to maximize the chances of fighting Inoue sometime this year soon. About Casimero's nutrionist and conditioning coach, I saw a video on YouTube that MP Promotions have selected Jeneath Aro to be his nutritionist and that they won't give Casimero some slack because Butler is a former champion too.

Jeneath Aro is a good nutritionist too and if I'm correct she is the nutritionist of Magsayo as well. What Casimero really needed in this Butler fight is a good nutritionist as we all know that he is gaining weight far from his fight weight whenever he is on a break which could entail heavy work to bring back to his weight limit for a fight thus causing him troubles.

I'm mentioning this on my previous post that the real opponent of Casimero is himself. If he could get his weight limit before a fight with a well condition body then Butler will have trouble in the ring facing him.
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