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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

If I'm not mistaken, WBO just stepped in and ask a mandatory title defense because both Casimero and Inoue are just trading and exchanging tirades without even a 1% progress that their fight will happen soon. Casimero also leaks information that he will face Inoue last December which should not be disclosed until everything is official and under negotiation.

Moving forward, Casimero just needs to win this fight to have a chip at fighting Inoue this year. The return of the Monster is on June-July as per reports. Enough time for Casimero to rest if he wins in March.

That is basically what happened, we were expecting Casimero and Inoue to fight next but since there was no progress at all then the WBO ordered Casimero for a mandatory fight, I am sure that if there was at least something in writing that made it obvious to the WBO that there was some progress between Casimero and Inoue to organize the fight they would have allowed the fight to happen, but since that was not the case then Casimero needs to face Butler, and if he wins then he can think about fighting Inoue.

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I have read this on the same source you quoted. Seems that Inoue and his camp are interested to face Casimero as well with the bouts was put on hold because of the pandemic but it appears that Bob Arum doesn't want the fight for now as it's not yet their time.
As for Casimero, I have no doubts about this man but he really need to defeat Butler first to make the fight against Inoue into a reality.

Arum does really know on when things should be set out and if he do finds out that it isnt that ripe enough to make things happen then it would really be that on delay.
Even Inoue would show up some interest on fighting but the promoter behind doesnt really want to then theres nothing they could do but to obey and follow on what
they've been saying.As for Casimero then there's no only way if he do really pursue on fighting out Inoue in the future but to win up upcoming fights.

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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

If I'm not mistaken, WBO just stepped in and ask a mandatory title defense because both Casimero and Inoue are just trading and exchanging tirades without even a 1% progress that their fight will happen soon. Casimero also leaks information that he will face Inoue last December which should not be disclosed until everything is official and under negotiation.

Moving forward, Casimero just needs to win this fight to have a chip at fighting Inoue this year. The return of the Monster is on June-July as per reports. Enough time for Casimero to rest if he wins in March.

Casimero is just taunting or creating a hype for that time so that he can create a noise to make the ongoing deal sealed up but there's no progress happen that's why as you mentioned WBO step up so that Casimero can prove that he is really worthy to match up with Inoue. I do hope he can won this fight against Butler since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

Its been said last year on possible step up on weigh class.
https://www.scmp.com/sport/boxing/article/3157986/monster-japanese-star-naoya-inoue-targeting-boxings-big-time

If Casimero wont make it through then it is impossible for this fight to happen.Those trashtalks would be no in use or totally useless.

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Inoue said he is looking forward to fighting John Riel Casimero (31-4, 21 KOs), the WBO bantamweight champion. The bout, scheduled for last year, was put on hold because of the coronavirus pandemic.

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I have read this on the same source you quoted. Seems that Inoue and his camp are interested to face Casimero as well with the bouts was put on hold because of the pandemic but it appears that Bob Arum doesn't want the fight for now as it's not yet their time.
As for Casimero, I have no doubts about this man but he really need to defeat Butler first to make the fight against Inoue into a reality.

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since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

Even Inoue won't go yet on higher weight class, if Casimero will lose here against Paul Butler, the interest won't be the same as before. Casimero will now be totally ignored by the Inoue's camp as there's no reason at all to accept the challenge for the one that comes from losing.

Paul Butler seems an easy opponent but Casimero is not on his 100% as his medical issue is viral. It's impossible that even for 5%, it won't affect his current gameplay.

Maybe they will still give Casimero the fight, but the split will be totally in favor of Inoue that Casimero might not accept it. So it's better for Casimero to move on and fight other champion or built his resume again.

On the other hand, if he wins against Butler by knockout and remains the champion, he could have the bargaining power to call a good purse split. Maybe 50-50 split could happen.

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since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

Even Inoue won't go yet on higher weight class, if Casimero will lose here against Paul Butler, the interest won't be the same as before. Casimero will now be totally ignored by the Inoue's camp as there's no reason at all to accept the challenge for the one that comes from losing.

Paul Butler seems an easy opponent but Casimero is not on his 100% as his medical issue is viral. It's impossible that even for 5%, it won't affect his current gameplay.

Casimero is determined to fight against Inoue, so for sure he will do everything to win against Butler to claim his ticket.

Once he continues to keep the belt, the chance of fighting Inoue is still very possible, but once he loses his belt, the interest from Inoue's camp

will not look at him. He needs to take care of Butler and continue to chase for Inoue to face him. The challenge for another belt is really

interesting, but it will only happen when he accomplished this mandatory fight and Inoue's camp show interest in fighting him.

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Quote from: ultrloa on February 15, 2022, 06:22:48 AM

since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

Even Inoue won't go yet on higher weight class, if Casimero will lose here against Paul Butler, the interest won't be the same as before. Casimero will now be totally ignored by the Inoue's camp as there's no reason at all to accept the challenge for the one that comes from losing.

Paul Butler seems an easy opponent but Casimero is not on his 100% as his medical issue is viral. It's impossible that even for 5%, it won't affect his current gameplay.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on February 15, 2022, 07:34:53 AM

It's bound to happen though, even if Casimero makes a lot of noise against any opponents, the WBO has the duty to match him against their rank fighter, hence the mandatory defense. That's why the Inoue fight or Donaire is just pure hype because the fight is not going to happen yet. But I believed that Casimero will still call Inoue if ever he wins his fight against Butler to reignite our interest on the said fight.

We don't know yet if that's not going to happen. Once this match with Butler is finished, I think that Casimero will go after first with Inoue. And what I think is the pure hype is with Donaire and that's unlikely going to happen.
Most fans are waiting to see the match of Casimero with Inoue since last year and I'm sure that the promoters have seen the significance of that match and they're seeing the interest of most boxing fans that they want that to happen rather than the other.

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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

If I'm not mistaken, WBO just stepped in and ask a mandatory title defense because both Casimero and Inoue are just trading and exchanging tirades without even a 1% progress that their fight will happen soon. Casimero also leaks information that he will face Inoue last December which should not be disclosed until everything is official and under negotiation.

Moving forward, Casimero just needs to win this fight to have a chip at fighting Inoue this year. The return of the Monster is on June-July as per reports. Enough time for Casimero to rest if he wins in March.

Casimero is just taunting or creating a hype for that time so that he can create a noise to make the ongoing deal sealed up but there's no progress happen that's why as you mentioned WBO step up so that Casimero can prove that he is really worthy to match up with Inoue. I do hope he can won this fight against Butler since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

Its been said last year on possible step up on weigh class.
https://www.scmp.com/sport/boxing/article/3157986/monster-japanese-star-naoya-inoue-targeting-boxings-big-time

If Casimero wont make it through then it is impossible for this fight to happen.Those trashtalks would be no in use or totally useless.

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Good analysis, I'm just remaining positive while the match hasn't happened yet. And those negative speculations won't be gone but if you're eyeing for Casimero, you should stay positive on what hasn't happened yet.
With that analysis of yours, that will be great to be seen by the others who have been already thinking about how he's going to be beaten.

Remaining positive is good but not enough just to show support. Casimero needs to show us that he is perfectly fit to fight in that match.

I like to remain positive too since I'm rooting for Casimero to win. Butler might be an underdog and has no chance to win as others said but I will not treat him as an easy opponent.

I like to see a sure win here by Casimero by showing dominance and not he will just win because of slight scores advantage.

Yes, we're already there. But the match hasn't happened yet and there's already the negativity of the thought for which I think that we shouldn't think of.
But anyway, there's no one that can control the thoughts of others. If I want to be positive, no one can change that into negative unless I'll hear or read some really devastating words that will move my emotion.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on February 15, 2022, 07:34:53 AM

It's bound to happen though, even if Casimero makes a lot of noise against any opponents, the WBO has the duty to match him against their rank fighter, hence the mandatory defense. That's why the Inoue fight or Donaire is just pure hype because the fight is not going to happen yet. But I believed that Casimero will still call Inoue if ever he wins his fight against Butler to reignite our interest on the said fight.

It will happen if Inoue or Donaire is willing to accept the challenge, but if they will not, then we will not see an exciting fight, shame on them, they are just playing safe, why not give Casimero a chance to prove that he is better than them, it should not all be about the money, it should also be about fighting the best no matter how big or small the purse.

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It's bound to happen though, even if Casimero makes a lot of noise against any opponents, the WBO has the duty to match him against their rank fighter, hence the mandatory defense. That's why the Inoue fight or Donaire is just pure hype because the fight is not going to happen yet. But I believed that Casimero will still call Inoue if ever he wins his fight against Butler to reignite our interest on the said fight.

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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

If I'm not mistaken, WBO just stepped in and ask a mandatory title defense because both Casimero and Inoue are just trading and exchanging tirades without even a 1% progress that their fight will happen soon. Casimero also leaks information that he will face Inoue last December which should not be disclosed until everything is official and under negotiation.

Moving forward, Casimero just needs to win this fight to have a chip at fighting Inoue this year. The return of the Monster is on June-July as per reports. Enough time for Casimero to rest if he wins in March.

Casimero is just taunting or creating a hype for that time so that he can create a noise to make the ongoing deal sealed up but there's no progress happen that's why as you mentioned WBO step up so that Casimero can prove that he is really worthy to match up with Inoue. I do hope he can won this fight against Butler since this is his last shot to make the fight between Inoue to happen since if he fail for sure Inoue will go up on higher weight class.

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Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

That's an obvious thing to do. Casimero losing this match will result in climbing back again to the ladder where he's already on the top. He should do everything to win as that will make him have a chance to face a boxer of his caliber, and maybe, a big fight after that win.

Not just against Naoya Inoue but if ever their deal doesn't work out, there are other boxers out there to challenge. But I believe if Casimero won this fight, Naoya Inoue will be interested again and catch the attention of Bob Arum to now finally renegotiate the former deal.

Definitely he doesn't want that way to climb the ladder again and Casimero doesn't have a choice either but to defeat Butler in-order to catch more attentions along his way, but I think Casimero would really want to fight Inoue after he's finished with Butler and not just anyone else, it's more like this is personal issue. Just my opinion though because there's nothing else he wants for now, he's always provoking Inoue Lol.

Casimero is not the type of boxer who would take it personally, he means business in everything he do, he trash talk just to sell his fight and it seems that he is effective with that, he hurt the feelings of Inoue, but instead of fighting him, Inoue felt he was disrespected so he would not give Casimero a chance to fight with him.

That's one of his strategies to provoke or trash talk to get inside people's head to sell or get the fight or make it as an advantage if he's inside the ring. Actually, knowing that it's kind of normal for Visayan people to trashtalk. So Casimero is quite good at it but in Inoues' case, it didn't go through and he failed to manage to get what he wants.

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casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

He sure won't be disappointing us. Let's not just expect too much for him and just enjoy what's happening. The match hasn't happened yet and let's remove the negativity from this upcoming match. I know that we're just speculating the outcome of what-ifs but it's better to keep for now, IMHO.
I'm sure that whether this is upset, there will still be a lot of fights that are waiting for him.

I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

Butler also loses to Emmanuel Rodriguez via UD, so this boxing skills is not at par with Casimero.

Good analysis, I'm just remaining positive while the match hasn't happened yet. And those negative speculations won't be gone but if you're eyeing for Casimero, you should stay positive on what hasn't happened yet.
With that analysis of yours, that will be great to be seen by the others who have been already thinking about how he's going to be beaten.

Remaining positive is good but not enough just to show support. Casimero needs to show us that he is perfectly fit to fight in that match.

I like to remain positive too since I'm rooting for Casimero to win. Butler might be an underdog and has no chance to win as others said but I will not treat him as an easy opponent.

I like to see a sure win here by Casimero by showing dominance and not he will just win because of slight scores advantage.

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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

If I'm not mistaken, WBO just stepped in and ask a mandatory title defense because both Casimero and Inoue are just trading and exchanging tirades without even a 1% progress that their fight will happen soon. Casimero also leaks information that he will face Inoue last December which should not be disclosed until everything is official and under negotiation.

Moving forward, Casimero just needs to win this fight to have a chip at fighting Inoue this year. The return of the Monster is on June-July as per reports. Enough time for Casimero to rest if he wins in March.

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I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

For sure there are people behind this negotiation since they will not divert Casimero fight to another unexpected fighter without any reason and might they see the hype is so premature yet and they want to widespread the news about Inoue vs Casimero so that they can earn huge money for this match up. Casimero needs to win this so that he can bring more hype to close that fight against Inoue.

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Quote from: mirakal on February 14, 2022, 05:37:09 PM

I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

Butler will come from a challenger therefore it's obvious that he is not a champion. The reason he became the challenger is that he's next to the champion Casimero in WBO rankings as a Bantamweight. He's the only challenger fit for the challenge and no one else.

You are right that Butler's name won't be picked if the negotiation against Inoue got organized but there's someone behind the scene who make that fight didn't happen. Inoue is interested and he said that please organize a fight against Casimero but nothing happened.

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casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

He sure won't be disappointing us. Let's not just expect too much for him and just enjoy what's happening. The match hasn't happened yet and let's remove the negativity from this upcoming match. I know that we're just speculating the outcome of what-ifs but it's better to keep for now, IMHO.
I'm sure that whether this is upset, there will still be a lot of fights that are waiting for him.

I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

Butler also loses to Emmanuel Rodriguez via UD, so this boxing skills is not at par with Casimero.

Good analysis, I'm just remaining positive while the match hasn't happened yet. And those negative speculations won't be gone but if you're eyeing for Casimero, you should stay positive on what hasn't happened yet.
With that analysis of yours, that will be great to be seen by the others who have been already thinking about how he's going to be beaten.

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casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

He sure won't be disappointing us. Let's not just expect too much for him and just enjoy what's happening. The match hasn't happened yet and let's remove the negativity from this upcoming match. I know that we're just speculating the outcome of what-ifs but it's better to keep for now, IMHO.
I'm sure that whether this is upset, there will still be a lot of fights that are waiting for him.

I don't see an upset either, Butler is not a champion and he lose to Tete which fighter was beaten by Casimero. From any angle, I can see that Casimero is the better fighter and this fighter would not be able to have a chance to fight him if Inoue take the challenge before.

Butler also loses to Emmanuel Rodriguez via UD, so this boxing skills is not at par with Casimero.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on February 14, 2022, 04:26:29 PM

casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

He sure won't be disappointing us. Let's not just expect too much for him and just enjoy what's happening. The match hasn't happened yet and let's remove the negativity from this upcoming match. I know that we're just speculating the outcome of what-ifs but it's better to keep for now, IMHO.
I'm sure that whether this is upset, there will still be a lot of fights that are waiting for him.

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