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Quote from: Questat on February 10, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

I also think that Paul Butler is tough since, in the first place, he won't reach being the Top 1 challenger for nothing.

He's also a type of fighter that doesn't have the style of running away from his opponent to play safe.

I'm expecting he will give Casimero a close combat fight as fans will surely want that kind of action once they meet on the ring.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on February 10, 2022, 09:41:18 AM

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

For sure that was already on the table. After that incident last December that leads to the cancellation of the fight, Casimero's camp should now take action on what to do next to prevent that kind of problem in the near future.

And since Casimero's title is at risk, they will surely do everything not to let that problem happen again for the 2nd time.

Quote from: freedomgo on February 10, 2022, 05:36:58 PM

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

The comparison doesn't make any sense. We shouldn't involve Pacman's speed or any other boxers along with his league to the speed of Casimero. You guys have to remember that their respective decision does have a wide gap so it's not appropriate to have these comparisons. And seems off-topic to me.

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Quote from: Questat on February 10, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

It's like Paul Butler is also tough and it will be quite hard for Casimero to give that blow of KO to him. But it's what we want to happen that he'll give a KO to win this fight. That's why the expectation of having a KO is always there but if the score really tallies and he'll outscore Butler.
No stress at all that he'd win this fight through a decision and that's still a win. Well, everyone is becoming excited but also wanting to see this fight end go well and fast.

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Quote from: freedomgo on February 10, 2022, 05:36:58 PM

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

Mayweather has great defense even if he will not run, I see that kind of guard with the shoulder to strong defensive fighters often times and its very effective against to someone like manny, plus he is a counter puncher.

While manny is too frustrated that most of his punch don't land, fans are frustrated too to what mayweather usually did, well fighting a defensive fighter is boring actually (casimero felt that to rigo) until you get a strong counter punched and land the canvas.

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I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

Speed is not the strength of Casimero and I agree with the great timing and the right discipline puts Casimero on where he is right now. Training should be more intense to improve the health of Casimero and to prepare himself for the upcoming big fight, Butler is also a good one so better for Casimero not to be complacent that much or else he will lose the belt.

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Quote from: PX-Z on February 10, 2022, 05:21:40 PM

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The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

Mayweather beat's him, and that is via unanimous decision. We all know that Mayweather is a fast and smart fighter, but unfortunately many would also agree that he is a boring fighter. That's my personal opinion also, a boxer cannot please everyone, he has some fans and haters as well, so we are biased on our judgment, but that's alright, that makes boxing more interesting because of the fans with different views.

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Quote from: Questat on February 10, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on February 10, 2022, 10:44:15 AM

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

Yes, I see that same figure of him when he's inside the ring,

No need for him to rush and too much aggressiveness. He waits for the best timing attacking his opponent and he, really
got that advantage when he start throwing solid punches.

We will see that if there's a change when this fight takes place, still eyeing for him to win and have that shot to fight
with Inoue..

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Quote from: PX-Z on February 10, 2022, 05:21:40 PM

Quote from: freedomgo on February 10, 2022, 05:15:26 PM

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

Rigo was good with timing as well, however, he doesn't have the power to KO Casimero, and in order for him to throw a strong counter punch, he will be at risk of getting open when he do that. If you saw the early rounds, Casimero hurt Rigo but it was not scored as knock down, and after that, Rigo was already playing safe which I think the fans get bored that's why there were some boos in the fight.

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Quote from: freedomgo on February 10, 2022, 05:15:26 PM

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

No one in boxing beats manny's prime's speed, so it's a bit meh comparing any boxers to manny regarding the speed.

The fight is not boring though, at least for me, its just not the typical boxing fight you see. It all means of strategy, casimero get that he will be counter punched always that's why he mostly wait until no punch was thrown.

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Quote from: Questat on February 10, 2022, 04:33:13 PM

Quote from: Russlenat on February 10, 2022, 10:44:15 AM

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

The speed was there but he is not as fast as Manny Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Rigo. However, if Rigo did not just run throughout the fight, it could be an exciting fight and Casimero will be able to show his might and could probably hurt Rigo in that fight, it was a boring fight and it's not expected that he could knock out a fighter who is not willing to take the risk to engage aggressively.

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Quote from: Russlenat on February 10, 2022, 10:44:15 AM

I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

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For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

Yes, trainer comes with different job description and it usually depends to the needs of his trainee. As for Casimero's case, his trainer should observe more about Casimero's health given that he's just been hospitalized 2 months ago, I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

One of the factors which is really important to maintain out your body not only on physical shape but also in other things as well like nutrition which would really play out to be important most of the time.

You have that courage and dedication on the sports you are involved on but you arent that putting emphasis on what you do eat or consume then you would really be having problems later on.

We've seen several circumstances or scenarios which do really correlated with this stuff thats why they should really be mindful.

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For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

Yes, trainer comes with different job description and it usually depends to the needs of his trainee. As for Casimero's case, his trainer should observe more about Casimero's health given that he's just been hospitalized 2 months ago, I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

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For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

I was under the impression that a trainer is just a trainer. Technically he could be involved in many times, but I doubt that diet could be one of them. Again, it goes down to the time that Casimero might have issues with his weight. And as we get older it will be hard to maintain such a weight. And we all know that he history of stomach virus that can affect on how he put food in his body. So hopefully the weight will not be an big hindrance for him in this fight.

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Quote from: Johnyz on February 10, 2022, 08:52:27 AM

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

Truly, there are a lot of fans waiting for this fight and if ever this anticipated fight push through I can say that technically we shouldn't have to worry about the health of a fighter because their team will made sure that thier fighter is in a good condition whenever in fight. At the moment, I am also very certain that when Casimero put his attention in to this fight he will surely gonna win this fight. All he have to do is to focus in this fight and be in a full recovery from his recent health issues which leads him to not attend his scheduled weigh-in for a Casimero vs. Butler fight.

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For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

Their trainer knows the best for their boxer so technically, there's nothing to worry about here its just that Casimero should fully commit on this if he wants to win against Butler because no matter how much your training is, if the boxer itself didn't participate then its useless. Many are waiting for this fight, let's wish both boxer a good health as they inch closer to face each other, thing are getting more exciting seriously.

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^^ I think John Riel know what is on stake at this fight so better to start training hard in the Philippines before going to O2 arena and UK.

For the weight issues, he has to work hard to lose that excess pounds. Still months to go, so again, this is doable and hopefully that stomach issue that he had before won't come out again. That is the main problem here as it is viral and come back anytime.

Training hard won't help and is not advisable. He should train-wise.

I think the right term will be not to over train himself.

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For me, no need for hard training as I'm sure there's no problem with his strength and body conditioning. His stamina is surely still on top and his quickness and speed are still the same. The problem lies within his inner body that he needs to work on.

You are correct, the condition is viral and can come back anytime. There's no 100% treatment but rather there's a 100% chance to avoid that.

So it's good to train hard, but he should now when to slow down. His trainer knows him best, so maybe putting in the hard work early, conditioning and then sit up and come up with a good plan.

Yes, it's viral so it come manifest itself again.

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I only know that he is calling either Inoue or Donaire, but he was not given a chance to get the fight so he keeps his trash-talking technique but it seems not effective. If he will go up, he won't be a champion anymore so probably he will become a mandatory fighter if he will be in a good ranking.

The problem is he's been calling the champs on the same division but they are not responding to his expectation, what would happen to the sport if champions are afraid to fight his fellow champion and will just use an excuse to justify their refusal to fight. Casimero deserves a chance, they cannot say that they will not fight him because he trash talk a lot and they got insulted, that's so soft of them.

Inoue though did respond right? but as we have discussed a few pages back, still up to his promoter Bob Arum. And as we have said, Arum has the history of protecting his fighters specially his cash cow.

But most likely if he win against Butler, it's just a matter of time either Inoue or his fellow Pinoy Donaire will be next. That is the only fight we wanted to see in this division.

Bob is indeed one of the good Promoters "in the eyes of the Fighters" but it is not for some people.
I quite agree to say that Bob protects his Dairy Cows because this is quite true and there have been several times he has done this.
It doesn't matter what I think Inoue should be one of his opponents because it's really not funny if it doesn't happen especially if he does win against Butller

Right, Pacquiao is the best example. But you also have to look at how many fighters went out of their way of Bob Arum, like Oscar Dela Hoya, Floyd Mayweather and of course recently Bud Crawford. Who knows, maybe Inoue will wake up one day and severe his ties so that he can get the fight that he wanted and get more money instead of Arum having a huge cut on the revenues.

Ofcourse, every boxers too have their own needs and wants. So aside from money, they also want to fight whoever they want especially if it's their dream match with whom they want. For sure, time will come that Inoue will wake up and he doesn't need Bob Arum anymore just like you stated above.

By the way, Pacquiao, Oscar and Mayweather are also a promoter now. Except Bud Crawford, correct me if I'm wrong Cheesy

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For the weight issues, he has to work hard to lose that excess pounds. Still months to go, so again, this is doable and hopefully that stomach issue that he had before won't come out again. That is the main problem here as it is viral and come back anytime.

If I'm not mistaken Casimero has had already a number of weight issues in the past. His latest weight issue involving his match against Butler was certainly not the first. This has become a recurring problem with the boxer. I guess there is a problem either with his personal physical conditioning training or his conditioning team.

If Casimero is having a hard time adjusting his body in his present weight class why doesn't he move to another class so that he'll get his 100% comfort?

Maybe he has a hard time adjusting to this weight class already, but we will see if he wanted to stay here or move up after this fight. Maybe it will depend on his training right now and how we feels, and it could also depends on his team, what will be their best advise for him. We want him and Inoue to go against each other this year, but if he moves up then obviously this might not happen in this division unless Inoue goes another weight class as well.

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I only know that he is calling either Inoue or Donaire, but he was not given a chance to get the fight so he keeps his trash-talking technique but it seems not effective. If he will go up, he won't be a champion anymore so probably he will become a mandatory fighter if he will be in a good ranking.

The problem is he's been calling the champs on the same division but they are not responding to his expectation, what would happen to the sport if champions are afraid to fight his fellow champion and will just use an excuse to justify their refusal to fight. Casimero deserves a chance, they cannot say that they will not fight him because he trash talk a lot and they got insulted, that's so soft of them.

Inoue though did respond right? but as we have discussed a few pages back, still up to his promoter Bob Arum. And as we have said, Arum has the history of protecting his fighters specially his cash cow.

But most likely if he win against Butler, it's just a matter of time either Inoue or his fellow Pinoy Donaire will be next. That is the only fight we wanted to see in this division.

Bob is indeed one of the good Promoters "in the eyes of the Fighters" but it is not for some people.
I quite agree to say that Bob protects his Dairy Cows because this is quite true and there have been several times he has done this.
It doesn't matter what I think Inoue should be one of his opponents because it's really not funny if it doesn't happen especially if he does win against Butller

Right, Pacquiao is the best example. But you also have to look at how many fighters went out of their way of Bob Arum, like Oscar Dela Hoya, Floyd Mayweather and of course recently Bud Crawford. Who knows, maybe Inoue will wake up one day and severe his ties so that he can get the fight that he wanted and get more money instead of Arum having a huge cut on the revenues.

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