[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 36.

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Quote from: stadus on February 20, 2022, 07:25:41 AM

Quote from: Jating on February 20, 2022, 04:08:15 AM

Hopefully with what has been going on with Casimero, he can still win the fight against Butler. Because it seems that he might find the training very difficult and he needs at least some connection to be able to train on a good boxing gym in the US for the preparation of this fight. For sure with Nonito, he might get help, but the question is how far.

Casimero is a champion, I think he can find a good gym to train. He is into a big fight so the team will certainly invest on that, besides, Casimero is the favorite, so most likely he will win the fight and would have a chance to fight Inoue if the monster will accept the challenge.

It's up to his team on how to setup his training in the US. But as @bisdak40, he is living with some Filipinos in the States, so where is the financial support of the new promotion? so that is should be a big factor, what you eat, how many hours you sleep, your travel in and out of a gym, lucky if you find a gym that is cheap as well. So Casimero is undergoing a lot right now in the States alone with maybe his brother as his trainer.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 19, 2022, 02:14:20 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 18, 2022, 06:42:06 AM

I'm under the impression that his medical condition have been cured already that is why he is willing to go and train and fight Butler again.

It won't be a problem, and with his conditioning coach, they can devise a plan on how to carefully shed off that excess weight naturally so that it won't be any harder for him fight night.

His medical condition don't have a cure. It's just that it can be stopped from being a viral. With the right diet, exercise and discipline, it can be avoided at some point. I'm sure his conditioning coach is already making actions and steps to prevent that from happening again to Casimero.

Let's be positive about this and put our trust to Casimero that he will won on this fight.

Well, I certainly have no doubts about Casimero because I'm quite sure that he will win this fight against Butler this April. It's just that, just like you guys, I'm also worried about his condition because of all disease that can be treated right away, he instead got this viral disease that would complicate this coming fight. But yes, you're right and let's put our trust in his team that they could handle it well.

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Quote from: Jating on February 20, 2022, 04:08:15 AM

Hopefully with what has been going on with Casimero, he can still win the fight against Butler. Because it seems that he might find the training very difficult and he needs at least some connection to be able to train on a good boxing gym in the US for the preparation of this fight. For sure with Nonito, he might get help, but the question is how far.

Despite of what has been happened on Casimero it is so glad to know that there are still a lot of bettors who believe in his skills and believing that he can win this fight against Butler. And to be honest I am also one of those who believe that Casimero can win the game however we are still concern on his health issues because it is the main reason why he didn't come to thier scheduled weigh in. The postponement or rescheduled of their fight is a good time to be well prepared for both fighter for their upcoming fight.

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Quote from: Jating on February 20, 2022, 04:08:15 AM

Hopefully with what has been going on with Casimero, he can still win the fight against Butler. Because it seems that he might find the training very difficult and he needs at least some connection to be able to train on a good boxing gym in the US for the preparation of this fight. For sure with Nonito, he might get help, but the question is how far.

Casimero is a champion, I think he can find a good gym to train. He is into a big fight so the team will certainly invest on that, besides, Casimero is the favorite, so most likely he will win the fight and would have a chance to fight Inoue if the monster will accept the challenge.

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Hopefully with what has been going on with Casimero, he can still win the fight against Butler. Because it seems that he might find the training very difficult and he needs at least some connection to be able to train on a good boxing gym in the US for the preparation of this fight. For sure with Nonito, he might get help, but the question is how far.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 20, 2022, 03:26:27 AM

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Lost in translation is the appropriate words for what's happening to Team Casimero right now. I've read that Sean Gibbons is planning to file a lawsuit against Johnriel to have him replace with Sultan for that championship fight. Damn, this should have not gone this far if only they have someone explain to Casimero what MP Promotions wants best for his career.

Let's just hope that this fight will proceed and Casimero will still be victorious so he can face Inoue in the future.

The tie between MP and Casimero is already severed so no wonder that Gibbons will used everything to derail Casimero's fight. Their relationship went sour according to Giibbons after the Rigo fight. He advise John Riel to stay in the US but Casimero insists of going home in the Philippines and he did. And then cut his relationship with long time trainer Noynoy Neri and get his brother Jayson as his trainer. And the final nail in the coffin is working with Rachel and Nonito Donaire. And now the drama still continues with Gibbons looming case against Casimero.

Yup, that's the start of the misunderstanding. If we look at it, seems very simple but they just can't iron things out. All Casimero want is to take a vacation /break from training and see his family back home in the Philippines contrary to what Sean Gibbons plan which wanted him to stay and train so that he can fight sooner. I don't think that Manny knows or have knowledge on what Gibbons' treatment to his fighters, if he does, this things won't happen.

If we follow closely the youtube video of Casimero, i pity the guy. They are just living currently on a house owned by a Filipino in San Diego and it seems that they don't have that financial capability to put up a decent training camp and yet they are very positive that despite all of this, they will still come out victorious.

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Quote from: Pamadar on February 20, 2022, 02:55:23 AM

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Maybe they can settle this out of court so that Casimero can fight Butler as scheduled this April.

I hope it would happen that way but this is business, it's the interest of the business that should be followed, if Casimero broke a contract, then the MP promotion has the right to sue him as they also invested in him, besides, Casimero would not be popular if he did not sign with the MP promotion, unfortunately, Casimero is not contented with this popularity now.

Yes, hopefully it won't be that case. MP can sue and ruin his career in case that's the case.

Or, it's also possible that it's just another way to hype this fight and bring the attention, negative writeups still
a good way to advertise and have a discussion about him.

But in the serious note, I also hope that he will continue his success. Winning this fight will bring him up and
continue holding his belt..

I thought Casimero is not getting good pay on this fight, so there's no need to hype, besides, it's just defense on the title, if he can beat Butler then he will pursue his goal to have a big championship fight, probably a unification fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 19, 2022, 05:55:51 PM

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^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to happen Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

Yep, probably he needed someone that can really understand the ins and outs of contract before signing it. As we all know that maybe there could be some "lost in translation" along the way, so it's better that he have someone in his shoulder that will look upon and scrutinized and explained it to John Riel that he will understand. So we have like 8 weeks to go, great time to really start that training and peak at the right time for this fight.

Lost in translation is the appropriate words for what's happening to Team Casimero right now. I've read that Sean Gibbons is planning to file a lawsuit against Johnriel to have him replace with Sultan for that championship fight. Damn, this should have not gone this far if only they have someone explain to Casimero what MP Promotions wants best for his career.

Let's just hope that this fight will proceed and Casimero will still be victorious so he can face Inoue in the future.

The tie between MP and Casimero is already severed so no wonder that Gibbons will used everything to derail Casimero's fight. Their relationship went sour according to Giibbons after the Rigo fight. He advise John Riel to stay in the US but Casimero insists of going home in the Philippines and he did. And then cut his relationship with long time trainer Noynoy Neri and get his brother Jayson as his trainer. And the final nail in the coffin is working with Rachel and Nonito Donaire. And now the drama still continues with Gibbons looming case against Casimero.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 19, 2022, 11:15:56 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on February 19, 2022, 10:39:59 PM

Maybe they can settle this out of court so that Casimero can fight Butler as scheduled this April.

I hope it would happen that way but this is business, it's the interest of the business that should be followed, if Casimero broke a contract, then the MP promotion has the right to sue him as they also invested in him, besides, Casimero would not be popular if he did not sign with the MP promotion, unfortunately, Casimero is not contented with this popularity now.

Most likely this could be settled out of court, but not sure how much will be the damage that will be in Casimero. It seems that Sean Gibbons is not going to go down without a fight, specially that Casimero is a champion and supposedly one of the best in their stable. And it seems personal between the inoue's and Sean, they have been throwing words in their social media accounts.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on February 19, 2022, 11:15:56 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on February 19, 2022, 10:39:59 PM

Maybe they can settle this out of court so that Casimero can fight Butler as scheduled this April.

I hope it would happen that way but this is business, it's the interest of the business that should be followed, if Casimero broke a contract, then the MP promotion has the right to sue him as they also invested in him, besides, Casimero would not be popular if he did not sign with the MP promotion, unfortunately, Casimero is not contented with this popularity now.

Yes, hopefully it won't be that case. MP can sue and ruin his career in case that's the case.

Or, it's also possible that it's just another way to hype this fight and bring the attention, negative writeups still
a good way to advertise and have a discussion about him.

But in the serious note, I also hope that he will continue his success. Winning this fight will bring him up and
continue holding his belt..

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 19, 2022, 10:39:59 PM

Maybe they can settle this out of court so that Casimero can fight Butler as scheduled this April.

I hope it would happen that way but this is business, it's the interest of the business that should be followed, if Casimero broke a contract, then the MP promotion has the right to sue him as they also invested in him, besides, Casimero would not be popular if he did not sign with the MP promotion, unfortunately, Casimero is not contented with this popularity now.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 19, 2022, 05:55:51 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on February 18, 2022, 08:09:34 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 18, 2022, 06:45:07 PM

^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to happen Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

Yep, probably he needed someone that can really understand the ins and outs of contract before signing it. As we all know that maybe there could be some "lost in translation" along the way, so it's better that he have someone in his shoulder that will look upon and scrutinized and explained it to John Riel that he will understand. So we have like 8 weeks to go, great time to really start that training and peak at the right time for this fight.

Lost in translation is the appropriate words for what's happening to Team Casimero right now. I've read that Sean Gibbons is planning to file a lawsuit against Johnriel to have him replace with Sultan for that championship fight. Damn, this should have not gone this far if only they have someone explain to Casimero what MP Promotions wants best for his career.

Let's just hope that this fight will proceed and Casimero will still be victorious so he can face Inoue in the future.

Ouch, it Sean Gibbons proceed with his lawsuit then it will be hard for Casimero to move on and fight Butler. So there is a crack right now on Filipino boxers, it seems MP and then Casimero and Donaire on the other hand. Not good for Philippine boxing, they should at least be at one pages for the honor of the country. Maybe they can settle this out of court so that Casimero can fight Butler as scheduled this April.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on February 19, 2022, 05:55:51 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on February 18, 2022, 08:09:34 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 18, 2022, 06:45:07 PM

^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to happen Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

Yep, probably he needed someone that can really understand the ins and outs of contract before signing it. As we all know that maybe there could be some "lost in translation" along the way, so it's better that he have someone in his shoulder that will look upon and scrutinized and explained it to John Riel that he will understand. So we have like 8 weeks to go, great time to really start that training and peak at the right time for this fight.

Lost in translation is the appropriate words for what's happening to Team Casimero right now. I've read that Sean Gibbons is planning to file a lawsuit against Johnriel to have him replace with Sultan for that championship fight. Damn, this should have not gone this far if only they have someone explain to Casimero what MP Promotions wants best for his career.

Let's just hope that this fight will proceed and Casimero will still be victorious so he can face Inoue in the future.

A bit impossible when signing off on contracts on which he didnt even understand on whats stated there.As a boxer then you should know on what you are doing but its totally on point on that recommendation

on having some side staff or someone who could really explain out well if he's not really good on comprehending on everything so that there would be no possible problems in the future.
Lets hope that this fight would push through and there would be having no conflicts.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 18, 2022, 08:09:34 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 18, 2022, 06:45:07 PM

^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to happen Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

Yep, probably he needed someone that can really understand the ins and outs of contract before signing it. As we all know that maybe there could be some "lost in translation" along the way, so it's better that he have someone in his shoulder that will look upon and scrutinized and explained it to John Riel that he will understand. So we have like 8 weeks to go, great time to really start that training and peak at the right time for this fight.

Lost in translation is the appropriate words for what's happening to Team Casimero right now. I've read that Sean Gibbons is planning to file a lawsuit against Johnriel to have him replace with Sultan for that championship fight. Damn, this should have not gone this far if only they have someone explain to Casimero what MP Promotions wants best for his career.

Let's just hope that this fight will proceed and Casimero will still be victorious so he can face Inoue in the future.

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Quote from: chaser15 on February 19, 2022, 02:14:20 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 18, 2022, 06:42:06 AM

I'm under the impression that his medical condition have been cured already that is why he is willing to go and train and fight Butler again.

It won't be a problem, and with his conditioning coach, they can devise a plan on how to carefully shed off that excess weight naturally so that it won't be any harder for him fight night.

His medical condition don't have a cure. It's just that it can be stopped from being a viral. With the right diet, exercise and discipline, it can be avoided at some point. I'm sure his conditioning coach is already making actions and steps to prevent that from happening again to Casimero.

Let's be positive about this and put our trust to Casimero that he will won on this fight.

According to my research, this is the treatment.

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There's often no specific medical treatment for viral gastroenteritis. Antibiotics aren't effective against viruses. Treatment first involves self-care measures, such as staying hydrated.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/viral-gastroenteritis/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20378852

You are right, he just needs to take care of his body and that would only be possible with the right conditioning coach. He is not having a major problem though as long as he has the discipline to prevent it from happening again.

I'm confident he can get this treatment and will be ready on the upcoming fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 18, 2022, 06:42:06 AM

I'm under the impression that his medical condition have been cured already that is why he is willing to go and train and fight Butler again.

It won't be a problem, and with his conditioning coach, they can devise a plan on how to carefully shed off that excess weight naturally so that it won't be any harder for him fight night.

His medical condition don't have a cure. It's just that it can be stopped from being a viral. With the right diet, exercise and discipline, it can be avoided at some point. I'm sure his conditioning coach is already making actions and steps to prevent that from happening again to Casimero.

Let's be positive about this and put our trust to Casimero that he will won on this fight.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on February 19, 2022, 05:44:37 AM

Of if Casimero gets the first crack on Inoue, maybe Donaire can give him tips or even help him out to prepare for a war with the monster.

It's possible since Donaire already has the experience, he can share tips with Casimero. A good helping hands with each other.

But unfortunately, we know Casimero behaves. He won't surely like getting help from other boxers because he believes that he knows how to fight on his own and do tactics to beat anyone on his way.

Sounds arrogant but I like that behavior.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 19, 2022, 09:25:41 AM

There's only one reason I can guess, Casimero is not happy that he is not getting big fights under MP promotion, maybe with the new promotion, he has a chance to fight Inoue which is probably his ultimate goal why he wants to have an impressive win every time.

Somehow, it's not that the Promoter itself has to take the blame but if the other party is not interested, then there's no fight to be organized in the first place.

What Casimero should just do is to go with the flow. Continue winning until triggering the bell of other parties to now taking his challenge.

Naoya Inoue soon has no choice but to accept the challenge.

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Quote from: Jating on February 19, 2022, 06:18:09 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 18, 2022, 06:45:07 PM

^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to handle Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

He is in good hands if he chooses Probellum over MP, not sure what the reason behind the move, but for sure Casimero has no ill feeling towards Sean and Manny himself.

And with Richard Schaefer, for sure he can make a deal with Top Rank's Arum. Historically they have a good relationship when Richard was still with Golden Boy Promotions. But as others have said, take care of Butler first and then we can talk about Inoue later.

There's only one reason I can guess, Casimero is not happy that he is not getting big fights under MP promotion, maybe with the new promotion, he has a chance to fight Inoue which is probably his ultimate goal why he wants to have an impressive win every time.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 18, 2022, 06:45:07 PM

^^ I would think that it will be Probellum who is going to handle Casimero's career moving forward. And maybe Casimero will hire someone in-between, and maybe that's where Rachel might enter in the picture. Similar to what Pacquiao did in his career, he has Top Rank but then have Michael Koncz or another Filipino lawyer. And with that meeting, I don't think that we will see Donaire vs Casimero fight in the future. Maybe both Filipinos are targeting Inoue and unseat him in this division.

He is in good hands if he chooses Probellum over MP, not sure what the reason behind the move, but for sure Casimero has no ill feeling towards Sean and Manny himself.

And with Richard Schaefer, for sure he can make a deal with Top Rank's Arum. Historically they have a good relationship when Richard was still with Golden Boy Promotions. But as others have said, take care of Butler first and then we can talk about Inoue later.

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