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It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

I saw the previous fights of Butler, he doesn't move like Rigo, he is not a boring fighter as he has some kind of confidence that he could beat and knockout his opponent, with that kind of style, for sure Casimero would be happy to engage with him in a toe to toe fight manner.

That's nice and I hope he doesn't change when he faces Casimero as the champion is willing to give him a toe to toe fight and prove to the world that he is still here and deserved to have a unification fight against Inoue. Butler is the one who is on his way going to a big fight, he cannot make a decision here, or else it will result to losing the opportunities that are waiting in the future.

casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

If there will be an upset then Casimero has no choice but to move up in weight, just like what Teofimo Lopez did when he lost to Kambasos. Losing once will not lose all your opportunity, maybe the journey would not be easy but the opportunity is still open for a boxer who aim to achieve greatness.

seeing Casimero lose to Butler, there's a little percentage only based on what I see.

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It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

I saw the previous fights of Butler, he doesn't move like Rigo, he is not a boring fighter as he has some kind of confidence that he could beat and knockout his opponent, with that kind of style, for sure Casimero would be happy to engage with him in a toe to toe fight manner.

That's nice and I hope he doesn't change when he faces Casimero as the champion is willing to give him a toe to toe fight and prove to the world that he is still here and deserved to have a unification fight against Inoue. Butler is the one who is on his way going to a big fight, he cannot make a decision here, or else it will result to losing the opportunities that are waiting in the future.

casimero should not disappoint his fans as theyve been waiting for long time already. sorry to say this, but the style of rigo for me is indeed a disappointment to boxing fans. but he's not the only one. so am hoping butler will give him a good fight. if this will be an upset, don't know what's next for casimero...

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It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

I saw the previous fights of Butler, he doesn't move like Rigo, he is not a boring fighter as he has some kind of confidence that he could beat and knockout his opponent, with that kind of style, for sure Casimero would be happy to engage with him in a toe to toe fight manner.

That's nice and I hope he doesn't change when he faces Casimero as the champion is willing to give him a toe to toe fight and prove to the world that he is still here and deserved to have a unification fight against Inoue. Butler is the one who is on his way going to a big fight, he cannot make a decision here, or else it will result to losing the opportunities that are waiting in the future.

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Quote from: Pamadar on February 13, 2022, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 12, 2022, 08:40:20 AM

It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

I saw the previous fights of Butler, he doesn't move like Rigo, he is not a boring fighter as he has some kind of confidence that he could beat and knockout his opponent, with that kind of style, for sure Casimero would be happy to engage with him in a toe to toe fight manner.

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Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

That's an obvious thing to do. Casimero losing this match will result in climbing back again to the ladder where he's already on the top. He should do everything to win as that will make him have a chance to face a boxer of his caliber, and maybe, a big fight after that win.

Not just against Naoya Inoue but if ever their deal doesn't work out, there are other boxers out there to challenge. But I believe if Casimero won this fight, Naoya Inoue will be interested again and catch the attention of Bob Arum to now finally renegotiate the former deal.

Definitely he doesn't want that way to climb the ladder again and Casimero doesn't have a choice either but to defeat Butler in-order to catch more attentions along his way, but I think Casimero would really want to fight Inoue after he's finished with Butler and not just anyone else, it's more like this is personal issue. Just my opinion though because there's nothing else he wants for now, he's always provoking Inoue Lol.

Casimero is not the type of boxer who would take it personally, he means business in everything he do, he trash talk just to sell his fight and it seems that he is effective with that, he hurt the feelings of Inoue, but instead of fighting him, Inoue felt he was disrespected so he would not give Casimero a chance to fight with him.

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Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

That's an obvious thing to do. Casimero losing this match will result in climbing back again to the ladder where he's already on the top. He should do everything to win as that will make him have a chance to face a boxer of his caliber, and maybe, a big fight after that win.

Not just against Naoya Inoue but if ever their deal doesn't work out, there are other boxers out there to challenge. But I believe if Casimero won this fight, Naoya Inoue will be interested again and catch the attention of Bob Arum to now finally renegotiate the former deal.

Definitely he doesn't want that way to climb the ladder again and Casimero doesn't have a choice either but to defeat Butler in-order to catch more attentions along his way, but I think Casimero would really want to fight Inoue after he's finished with Butler and not just anyone else, it's more like this is personal issue. Just my opinion though because there's nothing else he wants for now, he's always provoking Inoue Lol.

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Quote from: freedomgo on February 13, 2022, 09:12:46 AM

Bob has no option but to give a good fight to Inoue, otherwise, that would not make him a great fighter, or the best thing to do for him is to go up in weight so he can complete get away with the challenge of Casimero.

If I'm not mistaken that was already on Inoue's plan. They have to move up to challenge boxers at much upper tier.

But seems it's not interesting if Inoue won't be able to unify all the Bantamweight titles. He needs to face Casimero but Bob Arum won't deal in something that does not seem profitable unless it's necessary to do so.

Casimero's win against Butler might change Inoue nor Arum's plan in the future and instead, they will now plan for a deal to fight Casimero next.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 12, 2022, 11:01:55 PM

Chances are high for Casimero to win against Butler, but he shouldn't take him lightly and not overlook Butler. And when he his then it's the time to call out Inoue again and see how Inoue will respond from Casimero's trash talking. Most likely it can be setup by Arum this year, if and only if he is willing his cash cash to get damage, LOL.

I also see a high chance that Casimero will win but as you said, everything should not be taken lightly just because the name Paul Butler doesn't have any impact. Casimero should not just focus on Naoya Inoue but also be serious about this upcoming fight.

But there's a change I have noticed, Casimero seems silent and not doing trash talk. I like the way he is right now compared to before where trash talk is already his main activity when there's an upcoming fight of him.

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Quote from: Pamadar on February 13, 2022, 07:29:38 PM

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It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

Indeed have different styles but doesnt mean that someone or each other opponents wouldnt really be that prepared for the upcoming fight.Basing off with Butlers capability then i wont be surprised

that he would give on a good damn fight against Casimero and hopefully this said date would be the final
http://philboxing.com/news/story-160876.html

Lots had been anticipating and next would be fighting Inoue possibly.

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Quote from: Pamadar on February 13, 2022, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on February 12, 2022, 08:40:20 AM

It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

I have no doubt that Butler will do his best too. He's the one hungry on this match since he is eyeing for the title. On the side of Casimero, he is eyeing for another opponent that's why there's a situation before that Casimero claims he doesn't need to do a serious practice because he can surely deal with Butler without struggling.

I hope that was not just a statement but he can really deliver it on actual.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on February 12, 2022, 08:40:20 AM

It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

Different fighters always have a different style of fighting. Maybe Butler can duplicate that style but Casimero

is more prepare in that kind of situation and for sure he will come up with something that his fans will enjoy, we will see
that when they both step inside the right and start throwing punches.

I do expect more action from Butler since he's challenging Casimero from this title fight.

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Quote from: Russlenat on February 13, 2022, 12:05:45 PM

Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

That's an obvious thing to do. Casimero losing this match will result in climbing back again to the ladder where he's already on the top. He should do everything to win as that will make him have a chance to face a boxer of his caliber, and maybe, a big fight after that win.

Not just against Naoya Inoue but if ever their deal doesn't work out, there are other boxers out there to challenge. But I believe if Casimero won this fight, Naoya Inoue will be interested again and catch the attention of Bob Arum to now finally renegotiate the former deal.

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The income earned is not in accordance with the losses obtained and Arum certainly does not want this Grin

But I think it will only be a matter of time because indeed Casimero will win against Butller (in my opinion) and inevitably Arum must be directly involved with the match and he can no longer dodge when Casimero wins.
I personally want to see how Casimero continues to surprise and he now has to shine

It is highly possible that their losses could potentially affect the income of their next match, as we know, Butler and Casimero is quite known in the boxing industry but they aren't in the same level as Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo or GGG because they're still starting to rise to become just like those guys. Bob Arum is a smart guy and definitely doesn't want his best fighter to be in a risky side, he should get involved with it directly for him to make sure that his boy wouldn't go to waste.

Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

Isn't that obvious because if a fighter loses this will not only affect Arum's finances but also for the future of his fighter which makes him cautious.
But if we see isn't it just a matter of time before he can force him to take out his fighter.
I don't mean to underestimate Butler in this but in terms of strength in the ring I lean more towards Casimero.
Even if Butler is strong enough but he won't even be able to face Casimero

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this is quite reasonable because indeed he always puts his boxers in something safe and indeed when indeed if inoue plays with casimero then this will be a gamble that will determine the fate of bob and the boxers he makes cash cows.
I think he is being too careful but indeed this might be a pretty good move for him because indeed Casimero is not an opponent that Inoue can really fight even though Inoue is quite strong but Casimero is above him and indeed Bob certainly predicts this

It is kind of natural for the promoters to make sure that their best boxers aren't in the disadvantage side especially when the money deal is not that reasonable for them. Not just Bob Arum but others as well do this kind of things because business is business. For now, Casimero is the one who needs Inoue to him to of course benefit and be more known in the industry but as I said, Bob ain't interested and surely had other plans for Inoue.
In that same note, Casimero should make this fight against Butler in his favor if he is that passionate to make Inoue as a stepping stone for his career because if indeed Casimero will upset Butler then Bob Arum can't avoid anymore and make Inoue fight Casimero.

In side of Arum maybe he thinks that he cannot get anything huge if they let Inoue fight with Casimero and their fighter will be at huge risk if Casimero surprisingly defeat him and this one can lower the stack of their current favorite fighter. This is the reason why Casimero need to have impressive win against Butler so that Arum cannot resist to make this fight to happen since the fans calling about it will surely be much stronger.

The income earned is not in accordance with the losses obtained and Arum certainly does not want this Grin

But I think it will only be a matter of time because indeed Casimero will win against Butller (in my opinion) and inevitably Arum must be directly involved with the match and he can no longer dodge when Casimero wins.
I personally want to see how Casimero continues to surprise and he now has to shine

It is highly possible that their losses could potentially affect the income of their next match, as we know, Butler and Casimero is quite known in the boxing industry but they aren't in the same level as Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo or GGG because they're still starting to rise to become just like those guys. Bob Arum is a smart guy and definitely doesn't want his best fighter to be in a risky side, he should get involved with it directly for him to make sure that his boy wouldn't go to waste.

Casimero's only choice is to pull a KO or at least win in their match against Butler for him to get Bob's attention and to be recognized more publicly.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 12, 2022, 11:01:55 PM

Chances are high for Casimero to win against Butler, but he shouldn't take him lightly and not overlook Butler.

He will certainly take it seriously, he knows what at stake in this fight, he could lose his chance to fight against the champion in the same division, I'm talking about Inoue and Donaire, so it's a must for him.

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And when he his then it's the time to call out Inoue again and see how Inoue will respond from Casimero's trash talking. Most likely it can be setup by Arum this year, if and only if he is willing his cash cash to get damage, LOL.

Bob has no option but to give a good fight to Inoue, otherwise, that would not make him a great fighter, or the best thing to do for him is to go up in weight so he can complete get away with the challenge of Casimero.

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Correct, but Crawford is still active so maybe in the future he could be a boxing promoter too.

That's so futuristic, let's talk about his journey first as a boxer as I'm sure he still has a lot to offer, if he is willing to accept challenges and get big fights, maybe he will be a hall of famer just like the other great boxers in the sports, he is still young and I'm sure he will have more fights in the future, being an undisputed champion maybe a good one to achieve.

Yeah, that's why I said "maybe", so who knows whats his plan for the future.

Chances are high for Casimero to win against Butler, but he shouldn't take him lightly and not overlook Butler. And when he his then it's the time to call out Inoue again and see how Inoue will respond from Casimero's trash talking. Most likely it can be setup by Arum this year, if and only if he is willing his cash cash to get damage, LOL.

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this is quite reasonable because indeed he always puts his boxers in something safe and indeed when indeed if inoue plays with casimero then this will be a gamble that will determine the fate of bob and the boxers he makes cash cows.
I think he is being too careful but indeed this might be a pretty good move for him because indeed Casimero is not an opponent that Inoue can really fight even though Inoue is quite strong but Casimero is above him and indeed Bob certainly predicts this

It is kind of natural for the promoters to make sure that their best boxers aren't in the disadvantage side especially when the money deal is not that reasonable for them. Not just Bob Arum but others as well do this kind of things because business is business. For now, Casimero is the one who needs Inoue to him to of course benefit and be more known in the industry but as I said, Bob ain't interested and surely had other plans for Inoue.
In that same note, Casimero should make this fight against Butler in his favor if he is that passionate to make Inoue as a stepping stone for his career because if indeed Casimero will upset Butler then Bob Arum can't avoid anymore and make Inoue fight Casimero.

In side of Arum maybe he thinks that he cannot get anything huge if they let Inoue fight with Casimero and their fighter will be at huge risk if Casimero surprisingly defeat him and this one can lower the stack of their current favorite fighter. This is the reason why Casimero need to have impressive win against Butler so that Arum cannot resist to make this fight to happen since the fans calling about it will surely be much stronger.

The income earned is not in accordance with the losses obtained and Arum certainly does not want this Grin

But I think it will only be a matter of time because indeed Casimero will win against Butller (in my opinion) and inevitably Arum must be directly involved with the match and he can no longer dodge when Casimero wins.
I personally want to see how Casimero continues to surprise and he now has to shine

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on February 12, 2022, 05:23:32 PM

For Casimero vs Butler, this fight should be the opposite of "boring".

I hope so and I expect that.

Some of us here seem to be expecting that it's going to be a fair fight or Bulter has a decent chance of winning, unfortunately, bookies does not think like what we are expecting. I'm not sure if the odds are true but according to this article - https://www.thesportsgeek.com/boxing/casimero-vs-butler-betting-pick-latest-odds-and-fight-analysis/, odds are als follows.

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Betting Pick   Odds and Payout per Dollar Wagered
Paul Butler Money Line   +800, $8.00
John Riel Casimero Money Line   -1500, $0.07
Over 7 ½ Rounds   -115
Under 7 ½ Rounds   -115

Now, this is a great opportunity for bettors who think Butler could pull a big upset.

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I mean, Casimero still have those speed and strength needed to take down Butler but Casimero's enemy is himself now. Aside from that, IMO Casimero needs a bariatricians or nutritionist to watch him while his training for the fight.

The strength maybe but the speed? I think he is not fast enough, he could not even catch Rigo.

I see Casimero successful because of his great timing in the ring, if he maintains his coolness and worth smarter, then for sure he will win the fight, and who knows he can score a knockout that would make people be interested more in him again.

And why would Casimero chase Rigo for his running antics? Lol.
Rigo was surely fast enough but only to outrun Casimero and that's the only thing he can boast because he can't keep up with Casimero if they were to fight very closely, toe-to-toe. He's too obvious that he only wants the money and not to entertain people especially his fans. From that day forth, Rigo was lost his fans from his shameful behaviour.

Prior to the fight, Casimero said that he will knockout Rigo, and Rigo said that would not be possible, and he was right because his strategy was very effective and no boxer could knock out an opponent that will just run in the entire fight, he was good in running but he forget to score, that's why he lose, I'm even surprise that it was a split decision, should be a UD.

That's not new, most boxers are overconfident before the right, some even talk too much but less action in the ring, that was the case of Rigo, he wasn't aggressive and most of his activities are just defending himself from the powerful punches of Casimero, that's why the judges made a decision to score in favor of the champion.

I like to see them confident not only outside but most especially inside the ring, in the case of Rigo, he wasn't confident inside the ring against Casimero. Actually, Rigo was one of the best fighters in his division, but Casimero's power is something that would hurt anyone if his opponent is not careful, so what Rigo did is he was too careful throughout the fight leading him to throw few punches only than his usual, the result is a loss, he should not question that.

For Casimero vs Butler, this fight should be the opposite of "boring".

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I bet also tried that several times especially for Rigo but he didn't succeed as Rigo didn't bite the bait.

Rigo knows the power of Casimero, and for sure if he gets toe to toe because he fights with his emotion, that fight could have ended in a KO and it will be Rigo who will be laying on the canvas. That fight was a boring one, not worth remembering, so I expect to see a better fight in this fight, let the KO be displayed again.

That is what exactly Casimero wants to happen, that Rigo will let his emotion be displayed but the dude was smart enough to endure Casimero's provocative mouth and set his course not to let Casimero near him as it could be dangerous or worse, it will be his last move.

It was indeed a boring fight, not worth remembering but because of Rigo's foolishness, it will be forever remembered. Lol
Same as you, I expect a better fight this time and a better outcome.

It ended as a boring fight, probably the most boring fight of Casimero's boxing career, but enough for that, Casimero will eventually surprise us again and i believe that will happen in his upcoming fight with Butler, that surprise should be a positive one.

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