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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.

Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.

If ever he is indeed thinking that way then Butler must have a death-wish or something, but there's no evidence that Butler claims or said either way, I guess it was just a rumored one or to challenge Casimero. Whatever it is, we already know Casimero's capabilities so we shouldn't worry about Butler as we know that he only have days left before his day of defeat.

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^^ It's too early to say what will happen to Casimero, but yeah for sure he will have this in mind and could be a nuisance for him specially if media from the Philippines are going to interview him because for sure his subject will be brought up. He is not guilty yet so let justice go on its proper course. Maybe the girl is telling the truth or not, its only the judge that can decide base on evidence and facts presented.
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In the latest news that I read:

Casimero Accused of Acts Of Lasciviousness In Philippines; Team Dismisses Claims As "Fabricated"

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An official complaint was filed on February 11 against the three-division and reigning WBO bantamweight titlist from Ormoc City, Philippines, who is accused of Acts of Lasciviousness and of being in violation of Republic Act 7610—Special Protection of Children Against Abuse, Exploitation and Discrimination Act. The complaint and pending investigation alleged that Casimero made inappropriate contact with a minor last June in Taguig City.

Violation of RA 7610 is punishable by imprisonment of no less than three months but no more than three years. Similarly, a suspect found guilty of Act of Lasciviousness is punishable by imprisonment of six months to six years.

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-accused-acts-lasciviousness-philippines-team-dismisses-claims-fabricated--164303

So another distraction for Casimero, will give him the benefit of the doubt. Makes me wonder why it was just filed this month? Or maybe some entity is behind to destroy John Riel emotionally and financially? Your guess is as good as mine.
This is still in the development stage and indeed when this happens then Casimero will really be at a disadvantage in this regard.
But if you look at the progress, I only see it from one side and it seems that Casimero has not done anything or made any clarifications here and I'm just waiting to see what happens now.
He is currently still in the defendant status but it will be difficult to do anything including the fight
Accused but not convicted, let us not make the story long, it will only become a distraction to Casimero and to us who are supporting him. Well, I hope he will be able to clear his name but as long as he is not accused, we have to right to judge him.
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In the latest news that I read:

Casimero Accused of Acts Of Lasciviousness In Philippines; Team Dismisses Claims As "Fabricated"

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An official complaint was filed on February 11 against the three-division and reigning WBO bantamweight titlist from Ormoc City, Philippines, who is accused of Acts of Lasciviousness and of being in violation of Republic Act 7610—Special Protection of Children Against Abuse, Exploitation and Discrimination Act. The complaint and pending investigation alleged that Casimero made inappropriate contact with a minor last June in Taguig City.

Violation of RA 7610 is punishable by imprisonment of no less than three months but no more than three years. Similarly, a suspect found guilty of Act of Lasciviousness is punishable by imprisonment of six months to six years.

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-accused-acts-lasciviousness-philippines-team-dismisses-claims-fabricated--164303

So another distraction for Casimero, will give him the benefit of the doubt. Makes me wonder why it was just filed this month? Or maybe some entity is behind to destroy John Riel emotionally and financially? Your guess is as good as mine.
This is still in the development stage and indeed when this happens then Casimero will really be at a disadvantage in this regard.
But if you look at the progress, I only see it from one side and it seems that Casimero has not done anything or made any clarifications here and I'm just waiting to see what happens now.
He is currently still in the defendant status but it will be difficult to do anything including the fight
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Most of the time challenger is the most eager to win the fight due to the belt at stake but it depends too on how they want to condition there mindset to focus on the fight.

yes, most of the time aggression came from the challenger, a chance of a lifetime to change his career fight, winning is the sweetest reward.

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Some players tend to think that there opponent will gonna easy to beat just to cool off some steam of pressure and focus on his strategy and counter.

Fighter needs to have that confidence to release every best inside them, they needed to be inspired that they are capable beating their opponent.

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Boxer needs confidence that's why some of them are too show off during press con to let there enemy knew that they are not scared.

They also wanted to show to the fans that they are prepared and ready to take their shots and try winning the fight.

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But on this case, Casimero is known for that kind of thinking so Butler is surely training hard as hell right now since he is the underdog.

Casimero loves to challenge his opponent, even he's the favorite for sure he will create pressure to Butler.

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In the latest news that I read:

Casimero Accused of Acts Of Lasciviousness In Philippines; Team Dismisses Claims As "Fabricated"

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An official complaint was filed on February 11 against the three-division and reigning WBO bantamweight titlist from Ormoc City, Philippines, who is accused of Acts of Lasciviousness and of being in violation of Republic Act 7610—Special Protection of Children Against Abuse, Exploitation and Discrimination Act. The complaint and pending investigation alleged that Casimero made inappropriate contact with a minor last June in Taguig City.

Violation of RA 7610 is punishable by imprisonment of no less than three months but no more than three years. Similarly, a suspect found guilty of Act of Lasciviousness is punishable by imprisonment of six months to six years.

https://www.boxingscene.com/casimero-accused-acts-lasciviousness-philippines-team-dismisses-claims-fabricated--164303

So another distraction for Casimero, will give him the benefit of the doubt. Makes me wonder why it was just filed this month? Or maybe some entity is behind to destroy John Riel emotionally and financially? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.

I don't think that Butler or any of his team has that kind of mindset. They are the challenger here so they know they need no stone un turn in their training. For sure they are focus right now in the upcoming fight with Casimero. Because this is a ice breaker for them. If he wins they he can go and fight anyone at the division and maybe he can get Inoue or Donaire for unification fight.

Most of the time challenger is the most eager to win the fight due to the belt at stake but it depends too on how they want to condition there mindset to focus on the fight. Some players tend to think that there opponent will gonna easy to beat just to cool off some steam of pressure and focus on his strategy and counter. Boxer needs confidence that's why some of them are too show off during press con to let there enemy knew that they are not scared. But on this case, Casimero is known for that kind of thinking so Butler is surely training hard as hell right now since he is the underdog.
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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.

Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.

I don't think that Butler or any of his team has that kind of mindset. They are the challenger here so they know they need no stone un turn in their training. For sure they are focus right now in the upcoming fight with Casimero. Because this is a ice breaker for them. If he wins they he can go and fight anyone at the division and maybe he can get Inoue or Donaire for unification fight.
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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.

Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.

There's no statement released by Butler that he considers Casimero as an easy opponent. Butler is not the type of boxer that does statements like that. He is a humble boxer and respects Casimero as a champion. He will do his best to win and that's what matters to him. It's also a sign of showing respect to Casimero, to give the champion a good fight.

It's an opportunity for him to become a champion. He will stay on focus and not to treat Casimero as an easy opponent just because of the medical issues that the champion is facing.
"I wouldn't go as far as saying Casimero is the next Manny Pacquiao or anything, but he hits hard and I know I'm up against it, I've got to be at my best to beat him," Butler told ESPN.
https://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/32811828/manny-pacquiao-second-chances-new-boxing-brain-paul-butler-looks-upset-win-world-title-shot

He would be doing his best on beating up Casimero and even thinking about being next Manny Pacquiao?
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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.

Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.

There's no statement released by Butler that he considers Casimero as an easy opponent. Butler is not the type of boxer that does statements like that. He is a humble boxer and respects Casimero as a champion. He will do his best to win and that's what matters to him. It's also a sign of showing respect to Casimero, to give the champion a good fight.

It's an opportunity for him to become a champion. He will stay on focus and not to treat Casimero as an easy opponent just because of the medical issues that the champion is facing.
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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.

Well if he think that Casimero will be an easy opponent for him just because of his past condition well maybe he will lost since Casimero will not put his guards down towards his opponent. We know how Casimero became a beast when he's opponent taunt him up so I guess this is bad for Butler if he try to get on Casimero's head. Lets just see here if he will now show the same like Rigo fighting style.
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I also think the same that they now pass the struggle of controlling Casimero's condition and right now, they are just maintaining it until the date of the fight. Unfortunately that they need to find a solution to that condition instead of focusing only on his usual practice.

Pual Butler knows that issue and will do everything to make that Casimero's condition to his advantage. Since he's the one hungry for the title, he will do everything to win on that match too.

If that's the case on Butler's side, it would be a great challenge for Casimero.

And knowing this guy, he wanted that call, a toe to toe exchanging of punches will delight him. Casimero always wanted to impress
his fans, if Butler will try to aggressively finished him due to his current condition, he will respond and will bring also the best in him,
the last fight against Rigo is a boring one, let see if this will bring different scene to all viewers.

If Butler is really thinking that he is already on the advantage side just because of Casimero's current condition then just let him think that way so that he will go and charge head-on to see if he's indeed right, let's see who will pass out first. Besides, we already know that Casimero would really want that Butler will go at him and exchange punches until the bell rings. He wants an interesting match so that he can entertain his fans this time to at least make up about his match against Rigo.
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So there is a lot of financials that enter the picture here, it's not that he is getting millions of dollars in every fight. And how many Filipino boxers goes broke after they have their time and won for their country, majority of them didn't save when they retire, just saying.
It's their money, so they can decide on what to do. Most of the boxers does not study financial literacy, only few really understand how to manage their finances but we are seeing some improvement now, look at pacman, he is popular and he use his funds really well, he has a lot of business that could sustain, and even if he is not anymore active in boxing, he can still live a comfortable life.
We know that, but at least see our boxers living a good life ever after retirement. They risk their lives boxing in the ring, and if they make huge money, they should learn how to manage it, saving alone is not enough, financial literacy means knowing how to invest the funds as well in order for it to grow.
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So there is a lot of financials that enter the picture here, it's not that he is getting millions of dollars in every fight. And how many Filipino boxers goes broke after they have their time and won for their country, majority of them didn't save when they retire, just saying.
It's their money, so they can decide on what to do. Most of the boxers does not study financial literacy, only few really understand how to manage their finances but we are seeing some improvement now, look at pacman, he is popular and he use his funds really well, he has a lot of business that could sustain, and even if he is not anymore active in boxing, he can still live a comfortable life.
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Casimero is a champion, I think he can find a good gym to train. He is into a big fight so the team will certainly invest on that, besides, Casimero is the favorite, so most likely he will win the fight and would have a chance to fight Inoue if the monster will accept the challenge.
That's very likely. About the training, they won't just go to a place without the best gym to go to. It's all been planned and they have a game plan to follow.
We're just waiting for the day that Casimero will win against Butler. It could be hard as what the others are thinking and Butler will give him a good fight. But in the end, most of the speculations are into him favoring that he'll win this match.
I think the hardest thing here for Casimero is to get on the right weight, but about the fight, I guess he will dominate as usual. Butler is just an aggressive fighter, Casimero would not have a hard time using his timing to hurt with this counter punch, I can see that kind of scenario that's why I'm confident.
There's still enough time for him to get the right weight and I'm sure that his team is strict on it so that when the weigh day comes, there's no problem by that day.
About the possible outcome of the actual fight, we still don't know but what we're all thinking is that he's going to win the fight no matter what. And after that, maybe a few months after his fight and recovery, the next match is in.
As long as there is some expert in this team, a dietitian to control his weight and what he eats then there will be no issues. The problem is, as stated above, is that he has some problem with the financial support. He still have some time in his side though, adjust his diet and make the weight cut and rehydrate after so that he can maintain his power.
Who would support him? I think he already made money in the past and that for sure if he manages his funds properly, he will be able to prepare for this big fight. I understand that we are still in a pandemic now, but it's their responsibility to ensure that they are fully ready and therefore they have to prepare for it and do all the necessary things to achieve it.
We really don't know if he has the financial capacity to sustain himself, of course he has money from previous fight. But we all know how Filipino are, they are not only going to support their family, but their immediate relatives as well. I saw one video of him gifting his brother with a Macbook and 2 Iphones if I'm not mistaken. So that is big amount of money in the Philippines already. And the total purse for this fight is not that big, then minus the trainer or whoever in his team and then the promotional company that he is under now. So there is a lot of financials that enter the picture here, it's not that he is getting millions of dollars in every fight. And how many Filipino boxers goes broke after they have their time and won for their country, majority of them didn't save when they retire, just saying.
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Casimero is a good boxer, though we all know him as a trash talker and this case is really possible to happen considering his attitude most probably they have a strong evidence against Casimero, better to act faster now.  
Bring the legal problem to the court, it's hard to speculate it here. Before I remember Pacman also have some lawsuit but the fight still happen, so it's hard to speculate because the court will do a due process if they decided to sue him.

That should be in another discussion since I'm sure that was already on-work by his camp. This lawsuit when there's a fight is a problem as it will take another thing to think on the mind of the involved boxer.
of course ,professional players like them has also professional team behind that will face issues aside from the actual fight because this is not Casimero's obligation so let us set aside this area to the law team and lets talk about the fight here.

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The fight will still be pushed whether there's a case or not. The real work is after the fight where Casimero needs to show up on the court for any future court trials if there is. Not a problem as the fight is now over at that time and he can focus on all his legal issues.
of course this fight will take place no matte what law suit need to be settled , because this happens before and the fight is still on.
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Casimero is a good boxer, though we all know him as a trash talker and this case is really possible to happen considering his attitude most probably they have a strong evidence against Casimero, better to act faster now.  
Bring the legal problem to the court, it's hard to speculate it here. Before I remember Pacman also have some lawsuit but the fight still happen, so it's hard to speculate because the court will do a due process if they decided to sue him.

That should be in another discussion since I'm sure that was already on-work by his camp. This lawsuit when there's a fight is a problem as it will take another thing to think on the mind of the involved boxer.

The fight will still be pushed whether there's a case or not. The real work is after the fight where Casimero needs to show up on the court for any future court trials if there is. Not a problem as the fight is now over at that time and he can focus on all his legal issues.
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I think the hardest thing here for Casimero is to get on the right weight, but about the fight, I guess he will dominate as usual. Butler is just an aggressive fighter, Casimero would not have a hard time using his timing to hurt with this counter punch, I can see that kind of scenario that's why I'm confident.

Casimero is always on the right weight.

However, the concern about now is he has a medical issue at the same time that might put him in a hard maintaining of weight on the weigh-in. The adjustment will have a big impact on his usual training since there will be a change.

Let's not speculate things early though and trust that all people involved in maintaining his health will do their best.

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Yeah, he's professional boxer and if it's just about weight. It's a major thing that he should take into account that he knows what he's doing and it's not a concern.
He can put himself into a certain training that will shape him up when it's about time for him to take up a match against Butler. There's a time for the training and he has ample time doing it. And he has a time to enjoy for things that he wants to do just like what's in the picture.

Yup! he can properly take care of his body, I think he best knows himself very well, and right now there are 1 month left for preparing for this fight, how I really wish he would not be switched with another fighter with the Butler fight because that would be shame and the only problem he has right now is the case given to him, that his camp has said was just fabricated.


Both of you should understand that Casimero has had no weight problem at all since the beginning. It's about his viral condition that can happen anytime even as we speak. Before that happened, he is doing fine on his training, relaxing, chilling but still with a healthy lifestyle look at what happened. It means regardless of his proper training, that health issue is alarming.

His health depends on his conditioning coach from now on. Let's hope that he will be healthy all way long.

Definitely, he doesn't have any problem at all with changing his weight and the fight has still 1-month preparation so given that long period of time he can surely relax anytime he wants, and I am totally aware that he is a boxer so he doesn't really need any Dietary advice or anything, and yes his health is in top priority when it comes to anything and I agree that anytime that gastric problem that he has back then can surely attack anytime soon.

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I hope that John Riel Casimero won't be distracted or affected by the current cases he is facing.

It happened way back in June last year and the case was filed last week. link

As per the primary response of his team, it was a fabricated case. His legal team should properly addressed it right away without giving distraction to Casimero as much as they can so he will just be focused on his conditioning. Following the progress of this news.
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