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Quote from: ultrloa on January 22, 2022, 09:16:52 AM

Quote from: Russlenat on January 22, 2022, 08:56:14 AM

Inoue's name will always be dragged everytime we have Casimero as a topic, which means that the fans would really want to see them fight. In terms of benefits? I think Inoue will benefit a lot because if he wins he will become a unified champion and he will also gain a good paycheck since it's going to be a big fight, for sure the sharing would be 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of him.

Not surprising to see that since they have unfinish business with Casimero and until their fight didn't happen we can expect that this discussion will never end since many fans really want to see that fight to happen. Also maybe Inoue want this fight to happen since as you said he will get huge benefit on this but I think the problem here is with his management since looks like they want to heat up something so I do hope we can see this fight to be sealed since for sure their fight will be one of best event to see if this will happen this year.

Inoue has the tools to beat Casimero, if the management will not give him this fight, then maybe they are just playing safe as they also understand how risky it is to be up against Casimero. If Casimero beat Tete in his country, then Inoue would not be an exemption at all. However, it's still nice to see the fight to happen as it's what the fans would want to see.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

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Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

Is that the reason why Casimero is dangerous then I will respond to it by LOL.

If mandated, both Inoue and Donaire will fight Casimero. Inoue is a champion, why should he accept the challenge of Casimero if, in return, there's no good advantage to it. Inoue will just bring Casimero's name in the hype that's why to settle things between them, a boxing organization should mandate a fight.

There are more big benefits for Inoue if he will face another boxer if he steps up on his current division. Much worth comparing fighting with Casimero.

Boxing is business. Not a royal rumble fight ages ago where reputation is a priority.

I like the way you pointed out your opinion, there's nothing more than money. Nowadays, promoters and handlers value the worth of the fight compared to the worth of fighters. I mean Casimero can do all the trash talks but if there's no social media hypes to bite it up, there's nothing that will change.

Let's face it, Inoue's handlers want him to earn more before taking this risk. I'm not saying that Casimero can beat Inoue
but there's always an upset, we never know until it happens.. Cool

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Quote from: ultrloa on January 22, 2022, 09:16:52 AM

Not surprising to see that since they have unfinish business with Casimero and until their fight didn't happen we can expect that this discussion will never end since many fans really want to see that fight to happen. Also maybe Inoue want this fight to happen since as you said he will get huge benefit on this but I think the problem here is with his management since looks like they want to heat up something so I do hope we can see this fight to be sealed since for sure their fight will be one of best event to see if this will happen this year.

I am not aware that these two fighter has a unfinish business aside from the fact that Casimero really wanted to have a fight with Inoue. However, due to hyper and yeah it is always mentioned in a thread whenever Casimero is in topic I can say that the fans of these two fighters will only be satisfied once their anticipated face off will be schedule in timely manner. But for now, Casimero needs to face first Butler and supposedly with this fight for him to be able to have a chance to fight with Inoue in future.

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Quote from: Russlenat on January 22, 2022, 08:56:14 AM

Inoue's name will always be dragged everytime we have Casimero as a topic, which means that the fans would really want to see them fight. In terms of benefits? I think Inoue will benefit a lot because if he wins he will become a unified champion and he will also gain a good paycheck since it's going to be a big fight, for sure the sharing would be 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of him.

Not surprising to see that since they have unfinish business with Casimero and until their fight didn't happen we can expect that this discussion will never end since many fans really want to see that fight to happen. Also maybe Inoue want this fight to happen since as you said he will get huge benefit on this but I think the problem here is with his management since looks like they want to heat up something so I do hope we can see this fight to be sealed since for sure their fight will be one of best event to see if this will happen this year.

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Inoue's name will always be dragged everytime we have Casimero as a topic, which means that the fans would really want to see them fight. In terms of benefits? I think Inoue will benefit a lot because if he wins he will become a unified champion and he will also gain a good paycheck since it's going to be a big fight, for sure the sharing would be 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of him.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 21, 2022, 04:49:08 PM

Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

Is that the reason why Casimero is dangerous then I will respond to it by LOL.

That's only his personal opinion, as a fan, we have different opinion regarding the action or reaction of every boxer that is being challenge but decline the challenge.

Quote from: goinmerry on January 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

If mandated, both Inoue and Donaire will fight Casimero. Inoue is a champion, why should he accept the challenge of Casimero if, in return, there's no good advantage to it. Inoue will just bring Casimero's name in the hype that's why to settle things between them, a boxing organization should mandate a fight.

I don't think they'll be mandated to fight, they are in different organizations so it's not gonna happen. Only if both camp will agree will result to a realization of the fight but it looks like it's not going to happen as this discussion has been talked about for years already and there's still no improvement.

Quote from: goinmerry on January 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

There are more big benefits for Inoue if he will face another boxer if he steps up on his current division. Much worth comparing fighting with Casimero.

Boxing is business. Not a royal rumble fight ages ago where reputation is a priority.

Let's not only talk about business, we should also consider the voice of the fans and the fans would always love to see a unification fight as it's the battle of the champions which we don't see all the time in boxing.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 21, 2022, 06:39:20 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 21, 2022, 04:49:08 PM

Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

Is that the reason why Casimero is dangerous then I will respond to it by LOL.

If mandated, both Inoue and Donaire will fight Casimero. Inoue is a champion, why should he accept the challenge of Casimero if, in return, there's no good advantage to it. Inoue will just bring Casimero's name in the hype that's why to settle things between them, a boxing organization should mandate a fight.

There are more big benefits for Inoue if he will face another boxer if he steps up on his current division. Much worth comparing fighting with Casimero.

Boxing is business. Not a royal rumble fight ages ago where reputation is a priority.

Declining the challenge is not means he's too dangerous to fight, maybe both teams didn't agree with the terms and of course if Inoue will fight Casimero we should all know that the terms should in favor more to Inoue because he is a champion and undefeated, that's why he have the say on the terms.

Let's see if there will be a mandated match between this three boxers especially with Casimero and Inoue, though Casimero should settle this first before anything else. Donaire can have the chance to have a rematch with Inoue after winning on his last fight, I hope they can settle this one and give us a good match up.

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Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive.

It's not the first time we see boxers that are trash talkers in able to attract the audience for their fights. Thurman did it to Pacquiao as well so, I think it's not really of their kind and they're just using it not as an excuse but to boost the audience of their fights.
Emotional, I don't think that they are. Honestly, they're one of the best people that can control in great with their emotions since it's not just a physical sports.

Regardless of the reason why other boxers are doing trashtalks, it should not be a big deal as long as it wasn't below the belt. PH boxers are not that trash talkers until Casimero came up. It's good and there's no problem with that but to trash talk other PH boxers and even Freddie Roach's way of speaking, it's already below the belt.

But even with that, I'm still eyeing Casimero to reach another milestone in his career. Maybe he will become humble once he managed to become the unified champion on their weight class.

We should be glad that we have a boxer who loves to trash talk. lol.

Despite Casimero loves to trash talk, I still like him as a boxer because he delivers and he is a champion now, that's all that matters. We have to put in our mind that trash talking is normal in boxing, it's a business and it's just his style to attract fans.

That's not our characteristic so it's understandable that some fans do not appreciate what he is doing. Every one of us has our own way of appreciating our boxers, and though Casimero is a champion, I'm sure he also has a lot of haters. Will he ever change? Maybe because he is silent now, I don't hear him trash talking Butler, maybe he underestimated him.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 21, 2022, 05:34:34 PM

Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive.

It's not the first time we see boxers that are trash talkers in able to attract the audience for their fights. Thurman did it to Pacquiao as well so, I think it's not really of their kind and they're just using it not as an excuse but to boost the audience of their fights.
Emotional, I don't think that they are. Honestly, they're one of the best people that can control in great with their emotions since it's not just a physical sports.

Regardless of the reason why other boxers are doing trashtalks, it should not be a big deal as long as it wasn't below the belt. PH boxers are not that trash talkers until Casimero came up. It's good and there's no problem with that but to trash talk other PH boxers and even Freddie Roach's way of speaking, it's already below the belt.

But even with that, I'm still eyeing Casimero to reach another milestone in his career. Maybe he will become humble once he managed to become the unified champion on their weight class.

We should be glad that we have a boxer who loves to trash talk. lol.

Despite Casimero loves to trash talk, I still like him as a boxer because he delivers and he is a champion now, that's all that matters. We have to put in our mind that trash talking is normal in boxing, it's a business and it's just his style to attract fans.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 21, 2022, 05:34:34 PM

Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive.

It's not the first time we see boxers that are trash talkers in able to attract the audience for their fights. Thurman did it to Pacquiao as well so, I think it's not really of their kind and they're just using it not as an excuse but to boost the audience of their fights.
Emotional, I don't think that they are. Honestly, they're one of the best people that can control in great with their emotions since it's not just a physical sports.

Regardless of the reason why other boxers are doing trashtalks, it should not be a big deal as long as it wasn't below the belt. PH boxers are not that trash talkers until Casimero came up. It's good and there's no problem with that but to trash talk other PH boxers and even Freddie Roach's way of speaking, it's already below the belt.

But even with that, I'm still eyeing Casimero to reach another milestone in his career. Maybe he will become humble once he managed to become the unified champion on their weight class.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 21, 2022, 05:34:34 PM

Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive. I like the "Angas ng Pinas" Casimero, he is a modern type boxer who brings real entertainment.

As far as I know, the Donaire-Casimero was canceled not because of the direct trash talk to him but the latter's actions toward Voluntary Anti-Doping Association drug testing. Donaire claims that he stands for VADA 24/7/365 testing for all boxers and that should never be refused or delayed. On the trash talk side, Casimero trash talk Donaire's wife which fuels another fire as it's a form of abuse for women. Maybe if Casimero just trash talk Donaire, no problem at all as that was usual in boxing. About the Casimero-Inoue, it was first canceled because of the pandemic. Then last year, both parties wants to pick each other but WBO stepped in ordered Butler to fight Butler instead.

A direct Trash talk against Donaire and Inoue has nothing to do with why those fights were canceled. I admire Casimero but we need to share only facts here.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 21, 2022, 04:49:08 PM

Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

Is that the reason why Casimero is dangerous then I will respond to it by LOL.

If mandated, both Inoue and Donaire will fight Casimero. Inoue is a champion, why should he accept the challenge of Casimero if, in return, there's no good advantage to it. Inoue will just bring Casimero's name in the hype that's why to settle things between them, a boxing organization should mandate a fight.

There are more big benefits for Inoue if he will face another boxer if he steps up on his current division. Much worth comparing fighting with Casimero.

Boxing is business. Not a royal rumble fight ages ago where reputation is a priority.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 21, 2022, 05:34:34 PM

Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive.

It's not the first time we see boxers that are trash talkers in able to attract the audience for their fights. Thurman did it to Pacquiao as well so, I think it's not really of their kind and they're just using it not as an excuse but to boost the audience of their fights.
Emotional, I don't think that they are. Honestly, they're one of the best people that can control in great with their emotions since it's not just a physical sports.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 21, 2022, 04:49:08 PM

Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

Both of them are using the trash talks of Casimero as an excuse that they will not fight him because they are disrespected. These boxers are emotional, they are in a boxing business and yet so sensitive. I like the "Angas ng Pinas" Casimero, he is a modern type boxer who brings real entertainment.

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Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

He is and it doesn't who he will face as long as he will get a big fight and prove to the world that he deserves some big money in a fight. He has been chasing for Inoue but he wasn't given an opportunity yet, a suppose to be unification fight is good to witness but now he is just fighting to defend his title against a challenger that could not bring him the money that he is expecting, but he has no choice.

He has no choice or else they will strip the belt. Just one fight (this one), and Casimero can start to trash talk Inoue again until the beast will finally agrees to fight with him, it's the biggest fight in the bantam weight division and that will be a big treat for the fans. I don't understand why Inoue keeps dodging Casimero.

Because Casimero might land the first loss for Inoue since he is an aggressive boxer so its too risky for Inoue to accept the trash talk and go fight with Casimero easily. Well, Casimero has to defend his belt first before we talk about Inoue since this should be settle already, I hope to see Casimero in the ring again dominating the whole fight.

Inoue is not the one to decide for sure, his team and manager knows what’s best for him and we have to respect that. If Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, better to win on every fight instead of trash talking, well he is known by his words but it can’t help his career that much. If he will fight Butler as ordered by WBO, he should be more active and win via KO so he can have a huge chance to fight Inoue.

When we refer to Inoue, that includes his entire team who is running his career as a boxer. Actually, you don't have to worry about Casimero despite being a trash talker, he is also a great boxer who never says no to any challenge, in fact, he is the one who is always challenging and has not read that someone has challenged him.

Donaire said no.
Inoue said no.

See, how dangerous he is.

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Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

He is and it doesn't who he will face as long as he will get a big fight and prove to the world that he deserves some big money in a fight. He has been chasing for Inoue but he wasn't given an opportunity yet, a suppose to be unification fight is good to witness but now he is just fighting to defend his title against a challenger that could not bring him the money that he is expecting, but he has no choice.

He has no choice or else they will strip the belt. Just one fight (this one), and Casimero can start to trash talk Inoue again until the beast will finally agrees to fight with him, it's the biggest fight in the bantam weight division and that will be a big treat for the fans. I don't understand why Inoue keeps dodging Casimero.

Because Casimero might land the first loss for Inoue since he is an aggressive boxer so its too risky for Inoue to accept the trash talk and go fight with Casimero easily. Well, Casimero has to defend his belt first before we talk about Inoue since this should be settle already, I hope to see Casimero in the ring again dominating the whole fight.

Inoue is not the one to decide for sure, his team and manager knows what’s best for him and we have to respect that. If Casimero really wants to fight Inoue, better to win on every fight instead of trash talking, well he is known by his words but it can’t help his career that much. If he will fight Butler as ordered by WBO, he should be more active and win via KO so he can have a huge chance to fight Inoue.

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Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

He is and it doesn't who he will face as long as he will get a big fight and prove to the world that he deserves some big money in a fight. He has been chasing for Inoue but he wasn't given an opportunity yet, a suppose to be unification fight is good to witness but now he is just fighting to defend his title against a challenger that could not bring him the money that he is expecting, but he has no choice.

He has no choice or else they will strip the belt. Just one fight (this one), and Casimero can start to trash talk Inoue again until the beast will finally agrees to fight with him, it's the biggest fight in the bantam weight division and that will be a big treat for the fans. I don't understand why Inoue keeps dodging Casimero.

Because Casimero might land the first loss for Inoue since he is an aggressive boxer so its too risky for Inoue to accept the trash talk and go fight with Casimero easily. Well, Casimero has to defend his belt first before we talk about Inoue since this should be settle already, I hope to see Casimero in the ring again dominating the whole fight.

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Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

He is and it doesn't who he will face as long as he will get a big fight and prove to the world that he deserves some big money in a fight. He has been chasing for Inoue but he wasn't given an opportunity yet, a suppose to be unification fight is good to witness but now he is just fighting to defend his title against a challenger that could not bring him the money that he is expecting, but he has no choice.

He has no choice or else they will strip the belt. Just one fight (this one), and Casimero can start to trash talk Inoue again until the beast will finally agrees to fight with him, it's the biggest fight in the bantam weight division and that will be a big treat for the fans. I don't understand why Inoue keeps dodging Casimero.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 21, 2022, 09:29:06 AM

Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

He is and it doesn't who he will face as long as he will get a big fight and prove to the world that he deserves some big money in a fight. He has been chasing for Inoue but he wasn't given an opportunity yet, a suppose to be unification fight is good to witness but now he is just fighting to defend his title against a challenger that could not bring him the money that he is expecting, but he has no choice.

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They are both in shape with speed, it's the punching power that counts between the two, whoever is the fastest to hurt will win. The news is that the fight Casimero vs Butler will be on April 23 in Liverpool, England. It's not a good place for the Casimero but if you look at the fight he had with Lazarte that ended up with a riot in the gym, you can say he is capable of defeating anyone in their home. He defeated the legendary Argentinean in Argentina itself.

Yep, Casimero is known to fight on other venues around the world and win big. The Lazarte one is just one example, it was really a disgrace what the Argentinian has shown.

So it will be a none factor for Casimero, on the contrary, he thrives on this challenges, going to the backyard of his opponent and make him suffer in front of his fans. That's how brutal Casimero is, LOL.

Somehow it sounds very funny in the comments of that video on youtube, the crowd is not on his side and even the referee is not on his side obviously. But he come up with a clean hit to the Argentinian despite how dirty the fight is. The first time I saw it as I investigate his boxing skills because Casimero is really making lots of noise in boxing. Kinda promotes himself good to hype a fight. This man is really Cuadro de alas.

His team had to hide under the ring and they've been ducking the water bottles and lawn chairs thrown at them by the audience. An organization will really have to pay him double to return to that country to fight.

Casimero is a road warrior, he goes to different countries to beat their best fighters and he was successful on most of his attempts. Now, he is the champion, and although it will be held in different country, I think he will remain confident as that is not new to him.

Short to say, he is fearless. He is not afraid to go to the enemy's place and beat them. Here, there is no such thing as a home-court advantage for him, (sorry basketball term) because he is going to fight anyone anywhere, just like what he said to Inoue when he challenge him to fight him.

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