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They even have a replacement in Joseph Agbeko which Butler did not approved though.

I understand the decision, Butler won't be wasting his time and effort to fight a fighter that does not hold the belt, Casimero is his target as he wants to be a champion, so a replacement is bad for him as he also cannot guarantee himself that he can beat Agbeko. As both are patient for this fight to happen, we just have to be patiently waiting as well.

There should be no more excuse for Casimero, he have to fight Butler if he wants to fight Casimero, he should be more healthy this time which is very important for a boxer. Let’s wait patiently for their future plans and hope that Casimero will still fight Butler, this is actually a good match so let’s also wait for the decision of WBO.

If he has the same excuse then most likely he won't be lucky that time, the belt will be stripped and will be given to a new champion. If they'll give that to Butler then we might see a Butler vs Inoue/Donaire afterward for a unification fight.

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Quote from: Questat on January 14, 2022, 03:53:25 PM

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They even have a replacement in Joseph Agbeko which Butler did not approved though.

I understand the decision, Butler won't be wasting his time and effort to fight a fighter that does not hold the belt, Casimero is his target as he wants to be a champion, so a replacement is bad for him as he also cannot guarantee himself that he can beat Agbeko. As both are patient for this fight to happen, we just have to be patiently waiting as well.

There should be no more excuse for Casimero, he have to fight Butler if he wants to fight Casimero, he should be more healthy this time which is very important for a boxer. Let’s wait patiently for their future plans and hope that Casimero will still fight Butler, this is actually a good match so let’s also wait for the decision of WBO.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 14, 2022, 02:13:31 PM

They even have a replacement in Joseph Agbeko which Butler did not approved though.

I understand the decision, Butler won't be wasting his time and effort to fight a fighter that does not hold the belt, Casimero is his target as he wants to be a champion, so a replacement is bad for him as he also cannot guarantee himself that he can beat Agbeko. As both are patient for this fight to happen, we just have to be patiently waiting as well.

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Quote from: harizen on January 14, 2022, 01:26:15 PM

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There's no health issue happened and the cancellation of the fight is due to Casimero didn't catch the required weight to make the fight happen so I guess Casimero failed to do his part to make this fight happen that's why maybe its almost impossible for this to be done by them. But if their management will try to fix this then provably they could find ways to continue this match up and if Casimero win then this is his great ticket to challenge Inoue.

I think you are outdated. It's about the medical condition of Casimero that's why the fight was canceled. He was no show during the weigh-in. Just for a recap on which I think I posted here, WBO gives 10 days to Casimero to clear things up, or else the title will be stripped. Since Casimero's camp comply, the title will remain to him and the match against Butler will be pushed but no official date yet for the reschedule.

Quote from: Pamadar on January 14, 2022, 11:21:57 AM

Not sure and please correct me, this mandatory needs to be taken care first before he can fight another boxer, am I right?

As a mandatory fight, yes, that's correct.

Well in the beginning, everyone thought that Casimero doesn't want to fight that's why he is a no show in the weigh-in and there are speculations that he can't make the weight, hence his absence. So everyone writes him off and says that he is going to be stripped of the title.

But later we found out that he has some kind of virus and the WBO gives him a chance to submit a medical certification to clear his name. And thankfully, WBO is fair as they deem that Casimero has a valid reason so he was not strip of the belt and then they are going to push for the fight.

They even have a replacement in Joseph Agbeko which Butler did not approved though.

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Quote from: Taskford on January 14, 2022, 07:20:47 AM

There's no health issue happened and the cancellation of the fight is due to Casimero didn't catch the required weight to make the fight happen so I guess Casimero failed to do his part to make this fight happen that's why maybe its almost impossible for this to be done by them. But if their management will try to fix this then provably they could find ways to continue this match up and if Casimero win then this is his great ticket to challenge Inoue.

I think you are outdated. It's about the medical condition of Casimero that's why the fight was canceled. He was no show during the weigh-in. Just for a recap on which I think I posted here, WBO gives 10 days to Casimero to clear things up, or else the title will be stripped. Since Casimero's camp comply, the title will remain to him and the match against Butler will be pushed but no official date yet for the reschedule.

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Not sure and please correct me, this mandatory needs to be taken care first before he can fight another boxer, am I right?

As a mandatory fight, yes, that's correct.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on January 14, 2022, 08:38:08 AM

I think Inoue's camp knows better, maybe they just wanted to hype the Inoue fight. But for sure they will focus on the task as hand, to beat Butler first.

Yup, more on hyping the possible fight but it's needed to smoothly be done after Butler. We will hear noise again once
Casimero bring down Butler, it will be a nice call once he beat him with a KO.

Quote from: Yaunfitda on January 14, 2022, 08:38:08 AM

He is mandated by the WBO to fight Butler after they failed on the first scheduled fight that was cancelled due to his medical condition. So hopefully this fight will push through this year with no more delays.

Not sure and please correct me, this mandatory needs to be taken care first before he can fight another boxer, am I right?

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It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

I would doubt Inoue's team will really say yes, I still have doubts until now because prior to this fight Casimero was already challenging Inoue but they didn't make a final decision, he was just responding but no signing of contract, that's why I have doubt man. you can't blame me.

If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

There's no health issue happened and the cancellation of the fight is due to Casimero didn't catch the required weight to make the fight happen so I guess Casimero failed to do his part to make this fight happen that's why maybe its almost impossible for this to be done by them. But if their management will try to fix this then provably they could find ways to continue this match up and if Casimero win then this is his great ticket to challenge Inoue.

There was as reported, and we can't say he didn't catch the required weight because he does not show up.

here's the story.

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Johnriel Casimero was unable to make it to the official weigh-in on Friday, December 10, and was stricken out of his World Boxing Organization bantamweight title defense against Paul Butler of England in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/casimero-out-of-world-title-defense-butler-gets-agbeko-as-new-opponent/

People who said that he failed to catch the require weight are just speculating.

This is the real reason.

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Unfortunately, popular Pinoy WBO Bantamweight World Champion “Quadro Alas” Johnriel Casimero of Ormoc, Leyte, was forced to withdraw from his mandatory title defense against Englishman Paul Butler due to a case of gastritis, which did not allow the Leyteño to leave his room to attend the official weigh-in.

http://philboxing.com/news/story-159949.html

But I think it will not take a lot of time to recover, so this another opportunity given to him is a gift and he should not miss the opportunity to defend his title.

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Quote from: molsewid on January 14, 2022, 07:23:59 AM

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If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

The fact that Casimero fans are already looking forward to see him inside the ring fighting against Inoue but currently this ordered fight by WBO against Butler still on pending, I think this man should focus first in his scheduled and ordered fight before his team asks for a match with Inoue. I don't think if it is their intention to hype the game but yeah due to postponement of this fight I don't think so that Casimero vs. Inoue will be possible the soonest. I hope Casimero get well soon and make this fight happen and win this fight so we as a fan could see possibilities that Casimero vs. Inoue has some shade of light.

I think Inoue's camp knows better, maybe they just wanted to hype the Inoue fight. But for sure they will focus on the task as hand, to beat Butler first.

He is mandated by the WBO to fight Butler after they failed on the first scheduled fight that was cancelled due to his medical condition. So hopefully this fight will push through this year with no more delays.

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It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

I would doubt Inoue's team will really say yes, I still have doubts until now because prior to this fight Casimero was already challenging Inoue but they didn't make a final decision, he was just responding but no signing of contract, that's why I have doubt man. you can't blame me.

If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

There's no health issue happened and the cancellation of the fight is due to Casimero didn't catch the required weight to make the fight happen so I guess Casimero failed to do his part to make this fight happen that's why maybe its almost impossible for this to be done by them. But if their management will try to fix this then provably they could find ways to continue this match up and if Casimero win then this is his great ticket to challenge Inoue.

There was as reported, and we can't say he didn't catch the required weight because he does not show up.

here's the story.

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Johnriel Casimero was unable to make it to the official weigh-in on Friday, December 10, and was stricken out of his World Boxing Organization bantamweight title defense against Paul Butler of England in Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxing/casimero-out-of-world-title-defense-butler-gets-agbeko-as-new-opponent/

People who said that he failed to catch the require weight are just speculating.

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Quote from: goaldigger on January 14, 2022, 07:12:20 AM

If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

The fact that Casimero fans are already looking forward to see him inside the ring fighting against Inoue but currently this ordered fight by WBO against Butler still on pending, I think this man should focus first in his scheduled and ordered fight before his team asks for a match with Inoue. I don't think if it is their intention to hype the game but yeah due to postponement of this fight I don't think so that Casimero vs. Inoue will be possible the soonest. I hope Casimero get well soon and make this fight happen and win this fight so we as a fan could see possibilities that Casimero vs. Inoue has some shade of light.

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It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

I would doubt Inoue's team will really say yes, I still have doubts until now because prior to this fight Casimero was already challenging Inoue but they didn't make a final decision, he was just responding but no signing of contract, that's why I have doubt man. you can't blame me.

If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

There's no health issue happened and the cancellation of the fight is due to Casimero didn't catch the required weight to make the fight happen so I guess Casimero failed to do his part to make this fight happen that's why maybe its almost impossible for this to be done by them. But if their management will try to fix this then provably they could find ways to continue this match up and if Casimero win then this is his great ticket to challenge Inoue.

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It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

I would doubt Inoue's team will really say yes, I still have doubts until now because prior to this fight Casimero was already challenging Inoue but they didn't make a final decision, he was just responding but no signing of contract, that's why I have doubt man. you can't blame me.

If they will push this through, I still see Casimero to win the fight and that could be a great way for him to challenge Inoue, though for some medical reason this match was postponed right? Hoping that they can finally settle this since Casimero is slowly losing his fans because of the current situation. If its just a pure trash talk, I don’t think Casimero vs Inoue will push through as well, better to sign the contract now.

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Quote from: blockman on January 14, 2022, 06:57:01 AM

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It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

I would doubt Inoue's team will really say yes, I still have doubts until now because prior to this fight Casimero was already challenging Inoue but they didn't make a final decision, he was just responding but no signing of contract, that's why I have doubt man. you can't blame me.

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Quote from: Botnake on January 14, 2022, 06:48:59 AM

It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

Yes, he's the favorite of the crowd and that's why odds are obvious on him. But true to that, that, it's still possible for him to lose.
It's still unknown whether Casimero wins, Inoue is going to say yes and his team for the match that was once delayed and should be for the both of them. There's no answer yet if he's still interested in fighting him.

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There's no avoiding if Butler will win the fight. It basically no sense for Inoue to fight Casimero if the latter loses the fight.

The task is clear, if Casimero will be successful in all mandated fights given to him by WBO, the chances of fighting Inoue is clear. And since Butler is already the top contender for WBO, there will be no mandated fight next that Casimero has to go through but to unify belts against either Donaire or Inoue, only if he wins.

these fighters mentioned above are those fighters who want to prove that they are pro enough to be the number 1 in the bantamweight division. This is a big chance to casimero if he will win this match against butler if he could then he has the opportunity to fight the current number 1 which is Inoue but casimero will failed in this match the opportunity to will be given to butler.

It's possible that Casimero will lose, but based on the betting odds, he will likely win this fight as he is a heavy favorite. Butler considers this fight as a big fight that he has to win, so both fighters really want to win as this is their ticket to fight Inoue who is probably waiting for a unification fight.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 13, 2022, 08:21:42 PM

There's no avoiding if Butler will win the fight. It basically no sense for Inoue to fight Casimero if the latter loses the fight.

The task is clear, if Casimero will be successful in all mandated fights given to him by WBO, the chances of fighting Inoue is clear. And since Butler is already the top contender for WBO, there will be no mandated fight next that Casimero has to go through but to unify belts against either Donaire or Inoue, only if he wins.

these fighters mentioned above are those fighters who want to prove that they are pro enough to be the number 1 in the bantamweight division. This is a big chance to casimero if he will win this match against butler if he could then he has the opportunity to fight the current number 1 which is Inoue but casimero will failed in this match the opportunity to will be given to butler.

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Agree with you, at least Donaire is a real champion who is not afraid of losing, unlike other fighters who are just making sure they will not lose and because of that they will just choose to fight a fighter that they are certain they can dominate. I know some but I won't mentioned the name as I don't want to hurt the fans feelings, lol.

I will call them the smart champions, preserving their reputations, belt titles and money. While real champions are those you mentioned.

Not everyone who is undefeated makes good money in boxing, for example, Crawford, it was reported that his fights are not making money as expected, and that is because of a bad matchup. Mayweather is a good example of a boxer who knows how to market his fight, he is not humble but he is really good, even Pacman did not beat him, in fact, both of them really made a lot of money when they fought, I think that was the biggest fight in boxing who made a lot of money.

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Quote from: Questat on January 12, 2022, 09:15:16 AM

Agree with you, at least Donaire is a real champion who is not afraid of losing, unlike other fighters who are just making sure they will not lose and because of that they will just choose to fight a fighter that they are certain they can dominate. I know some but I won't mentioned the name as I don't want to hurt the fans feelings, lol.

I will call them the smart champions, preserving their reputations, belt titles and money. While real champions are those you mentioned.

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We can not say that only casimero is the strongest fighter in their division which is a Bantamweight we have still Donaire and Inoue they are strong boxers too.

Donaire and Inoue hold a different organization title:

Bantamweigh Division

WBO = Casimero
WBA / IBF = Inoue
WBC = Donaire

Butler is under WBO on which he will make an attempt to snatch the title to Casimero.

What will happen next?

- Butler will win the fight against Casimero and it will now be Butler vs Inoue next. Cheesy

If that will happen then Inoue will be so obvious that he is just avoiding Casimero, and with that, I don't think he really deserves the respect to be called as a champion, nowhere near to MP as he was compared to him as the next one, but MP never avoids an opponent whether he is a trash talker or not.

There's no avoiding if Butler will win the fight. It basically no sense for Inoue to fight Casimero if the latter loses the fight.

The task is clear, if Casimero will be successful in all mandated fights given to him by WBO, the chances of fighting Inoue is clear. And since Butler is already the top contender for WBO, there will be no mandated fight next that Casimero has to go through but to unify belts against either Donaire or Inoue, only if he wins.

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Now, Casimero needs to show something here, otherwise, he will slowly lose his fans.

Casimero is always been an exciting boxer if you have followed his career though we saw some boring fights, most recently with Rigo but that was not his fault. Casimero is a brawler and wants to fight toe to toe as if there is no more tomorrow for him and the good thing with him is that he is maturing with respect to his fighting style but still somehow undisciplined with regards to making weights Grin

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It's been weeks since the fight postponed and have not heard from Probellum yet on the date for this one, have they lose interest on staging this match?

No update yet after that news regarding to Casimero to continue holding the belt,

Not sure if promoters already lose interest with this fight and no longer giving any update regarding to possible re-schedule
of this fight, but hopefully they will bring information about it and give some light to followers and fans if they are going to
bring this fight into reality..

We have to understand that the world is imposing some health measures again due to the omicron virus, promoters would not be interested to pursue this fight early when the situation is not manageable yet. The fact that he was not stripped with his belt and Butler did not look for another opponent, for sure this fight is going to happen this year.

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