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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 28, 2022, 01:49:31 AM

@bisdak40. It appears Casimero’s manager did not negotiate this fight for the advantage of his fighter very skillfully. His fighter is the champion, however, they agreed to fight in Liverpool? This is head shaking. Liverpool has some of the most racist fans in the world. They will terrorize him there.

What are the odds on Butler? They might be framing Casimero to lose this fight. This might also be another overestimation on Casimero after the clownish performance versus Rigondeaux.

this is what am thinking here when i learned he will be fighting in the opponent's home turf. casimero should really fight strong and clear and beat butler if possible a KO. otherwise, their position here is at high-risk if the judges will not see any major action inside the ring. butler has the chance to snatch his belt. if that will happen, casimero's future is somewhat hazy. no Inoue's talk for sure.
casimero may be the favourite here but the odds may not be that wide...as it has just been announced, we will not see the odds yet.

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@bisdak40. It appears Casimero’s manager did not negotiate this fight for the advantage of his fighter very skillfully. His fighter is the champion, however, they agreed to fight in Liverpool? This is head shaking. Liverpool has some of the most racist fans in the world. They will terrorize him there.

What are the odds on Butler? They might be framing Casimero to lose this fight. This might also be another overestimation on Casimero after the clownish performance versus Rigondeaux.

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Quote from: tabas on January 27, 2022, 05:52:59 AM

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There are talks that the Inoue vs Donaire 2 will be stage this April so i think this fight will go first before the Casimero vs Inoue if ever pushes through because the Casimero vs Butler fight is already scheduled this April 23 in Liverpool but just can't post here the link (i have to find if first).

I've been hearing that I think since last year but there's no one from the camp of both fighters that have said any information about that. It's good to leave it there as a rumor until they're the ones to announce it that the rematch would happen soon if time permits.

Well, it's not a rumor anymore as WBO has officially announced the fight already and yes, it would happen in the challenger's country.

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Casimero-Butler: WBO Approves Request To Reschedule Title Fight For April 23 In Liverpool

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@Jating, no words yet on the real score between MP Promotion and Casimero but as per Sean Gibbons' words that they are open for Casimero to go back to them, then i think Quadro Alas is not with them anymore.

Last news i've read is that Casimero has signed up with Probellum, i just don't know if this is long term or just this fight with Butler.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on January 27, 2022, 01:32:18 AM

@harizen. Agreed. Also, much more fans will want Inuoe versus Donaire rematch than watch Inoue versus anyone else. Casimero? His last performance was very boring to watch. He was also made to chase and fight like a clown by Rigondeaux. There is no hype behind Casimero. Donaire however has the hype behind him. He knocked out 2 of his latest opponents with the other who is much younger than him.

I am quite certain Inoue versus Donaire 2 will be one of the most exciting fights for the sport of boxing!

Their 1st fight was intense. Inoue really struggles. Everyone needs a Part 2 since Donaire already proves he still has that KO power on his previous match after the fight with Inoue. Back to Casimero, the subject of this thread, he always has the chance to fight Inoue. Finish Butler, then proceed. R

He should refrain from doing early trash talks and announcements (like he did when he announced he will fight Inoue last December) to avoid wrecking the progress and negotiations.

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Quote from: Sled on January 27, 2022, 08:26:01 AM

so if he would not be given a chance, people will doubt Inoue's real capability.

This is not appropriate. What if Inoue's next plan is to target other boxers on top better than Casimero?

If Inoue won't fight Casimero, it's totally bullshit reason that Inoue is avoiding where in fact, the next opponent of Inoue is much on a higher tier than Casimero.

Donaire has a chance to also beat Inoue. You have to watch their fight.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 26, 2022, 09:49:06 AM

^^ I think it boils down as to what Bob Arum will advise Inoue here.

If Uncle Bob says "fight Donaire first, the chances are very high since you already beat him. Let Casimero fight other boxers, and be damage before you fight him."

So this could be the likely scenario even if Casimero wins his bout against Butler.

Possibly.
It's always Arum that gets the job done and whatever he says, that's the final and these boxers have nothing to say but just to obey what does the boss says.

Promoters would be always have the final say when arranging things and its true that boxers would just simply follow or obey on what are those words do come out from his mouth.Arum would definitely find and set the fights accordingly and as long it could really give out revenue the most.Whether he do following on the hype or demand directly or would just make things to happen a little bit further or delayed.

They're the ones that are doing everything to bank the money for both fighters and that's why they have the say to just being followed and these boxers can't say a no to them.
Also, it will affect their career if they would go against to what Arum says and they won't get any match or will have a long time of wait before Arum gets on them again since it's all about being professional and business.

That's unfortunate thing on boxing since they can't say no to their promoter knowing if they do so their career will be ruined. There are series of events where arum dispose or give less priority to a fighter and we can say that they are doomed since they struggle to get a fight. So best to follow him for now and show some good fight to increase their stack then fight their desired fighters, also for sure fan votes will matter since this is still a business.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 26, 2022, 07:25:12 PM

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 26, 2022, 09:49:06 AM

^^ I think it boils down as to what Bob Arum will advise Inoue here.

If Uncle Bob says "fight Donaire first, the chances are very high since you already beat him. Let Casimero fight other boxers, and be damage before you fight him."

So this could be the likely scenario even if Casimero wins his bout against Butler.

Possibly.
It's always Arum that gets the job done and whatever he says, that's the final and these boxers have nothing to say but just to obey what does the boss says.

Promoters would be always have the final say when arranging things and its true that boxers would just simply follow or obey on what are those words do come out from his mouth.Arum would definitely find and set the fights accordingly and as long it could really give out revenue the most.Whether he do following on the hype or demand directly or would just make things to happen a little bit further or delayed.

They're the ones that are doing everything to bank the money for both fighters and that's why they have the say to just being followed and these boxers can't say a no to them.
Also, it will affect their career if they would go against to what Arum says and they won't get any match or will have a long time of wait before Arum gets on them again since it's all about being professional and business.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 27, 2022, 05:59:22 PM

For now then there's no thing we can do but to wait up.

I'm afraid we might see Inoue vs Donaire first before this fight. Since there's no announcement yet, we cannot speculate anymore on what would be the next for both fighters, I mean, it's just a mandatory fight for Casimero but it's very important for him because if he did not fight Butler, he will lose his belt and will probably not gonna have an opportunity to fight Inoue.

Things are not going well for him, but he still has a chance to reclaim himself and that is by beating Butler.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 27, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Well, let's wait for the result of this fight, if Casimero will successfully defend his title, then the next fight might be a unification fight. For a champion like Casimero, the promoter should not be messing with his career as they can make a lot of money from him as long as they give him a big fight, and no bigger fights in this division than Inoue or Donaire.

Yes exactly for now let's wait for the result of Casimero vs. Butler and hopefully he win despite of the fact that up until now there's not yet an announcement of schedule for that fight since it was been rescheduled because of the failure of Casimero to met the weigh-in due to health issue. And if ever Casimero win this fight I am also one of the vivid fan of Casimero vs. Inoue upcoming fight if ever get scheduled and also if ever the camp or team of Inoue accept the said proposal of the fight.

We have no choice but to wait for the result, unfortunately, we cannot just speculate here since they have not announce the date of the fight yet, but I hope it's gonna happen this year so we don't have to wait longer and the Inoue vs Casimero fight are going to take place on the same year.

The delay is already long and still no final date? Why take so long? Or Casimero still need more time to heal his injury since we all know playing with injury is too risky. Let’s be more patient, and just be ready to place your bet since many are waiting for this match up, let’s hope for more good fights this year.

There were no words in regarding on this one whether Casimero is still on the state of healing or recovery on that health issue he does have or simply there are no arrangements been set yet?

There are already lots of good fights in line which the fans are really itching for it to be watched or to happen but this pandemic situation do really make things messed up and we dont have
any options to take but to wait up on when these fights would be finalized.

For now then there's no thing we can do but to wait up.

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Quote from: Questat on January 27, 2022, 05:22:58 PM

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 27, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Well, let's wait for the result of this fight, if Casimero will successfully defend his title, then the next fight might be a unification fight. For a champion like Casimero, the promoter should not be messing with his career as they can make a lot of money from him as long as they give him a big fight, and no bigger fights in this division than Inoue or Donaire.

Yes exactly for now let's wait for the result of Casimero vs. Butler and hopefully he win despite of the fact that up until now there's not yet an announcement of schedule for that fight since it was been rescheduled because of the failure of Casimero to met the weigh-in due to health issue. And if ever Casimero win this fight I am also one of the vivid fan of Casimero vs. Inoue upcoming fight if ever get scheduled and also if ever the camp or team of Inoue accept the said proposal of the fight.

We have no choice but to wait for the result, unfortunately, we cannot just speculate here since they have not announce the date of the fight yet, but I hope it's gonna happen this year so we don't have to wait longer and the Inoue vs Casimero fight are going to take place on the same year.

The delay is already long and still no final date? Why take so long? Or Casimero still need more time to heal his injury since we all know playing with injury is too risky. Let’s be more patient, and just be ready to place your bet since many are waiting for this match up, let’s hope for more good fights this year.

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Quote from: molsewid on January 27, 2022, 11:07:27 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on January 27, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Well, let's wait for the result of this fight, if Casimero will successfully defend his title, then the next fight might be a unification fight. For a champion like Casimero, the promoter should not be messing with his career as they can make a lot of money from him as long as they give him a big fight, and no bigger fights in this division than Inoue or Donaire.

Yes exactly for now let's wait for the result of Casimero vs. Butler and hopefully he win despite of the fact that up until now there's not yet an announcement of schedule for that fight since it was been rescheduled because of the failure of Casimero to met the weigh-in due to health issue. And if ever Casimero win this fight I am also one of the vivid fan of Casimero vs. Inoue upcoming fight if ever get scheduled and also if ever the camp or team of Inoue accept the said proposal of the fight.

We have no choice but to wait for the result, unfortunately, we cannot just speculate here since they have not announce the date of the fight yet, but I hope it's gonna happen this year so we don't have to wait longer and the Inoue vs Casimero fight are going to take place on the same year.

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Quote from: Sanitough on January 27, 2022, 09:17:27 AM

Well, let's wait for the result of this fight, if Casimero will successfully defend his title, then the next fight might be a unification fight. For a champion like Casimero, the promoter should not be messing with his career as they can make a lot of money from him as long as they give him a big fight, and no bigger fights in this division than Inoue or Donaire.

Yes exactly for now let's wait for the result of Casimero vs. Butler and hopefully he win despite of the fact that up until now there's not yet an announcement of schedule for that fight since it was been rescheduled because of the failure of Casimero to met the weigh-in due to health issue. And if ever Casimero win this fight I am also one of the vivid fan of Casimero vs. Inoue upcoming fight if ever get scheduled and also if ever the camp or team of Inoue accept the said proposal of the fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 27, 2022, 08:48:28 AM

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If Inoue would want an impressive fight from Casimero then he wouldn't have to wait this long because when Casimero upset Tete, that was the best timing to challenge him or accept the challenge. Casimero has been challenging him but he seem not responding seriously, so I don't know if he is really interested or just making an excuse so he could not face Casimero.

Casimero's antics got Inoue that is why the latter really want to face Casimero at first but as time goes by and Inoue have realized that whatever Casimero have said on social media is just a way for him to accept the challenge, he no longer interested on fighting him unless it is for the unification of the belt.

Casimero is a bit problematic at the moment as the problems with MP Promotions has not yet been solve and he has no conditioning coach but i do hope that they will patch up the problems with Sean Gibbons before April 23, the scheduled date of the fight.

I thought he part ways with MP and Sean Gibbons? or maybe they didn't settled nicely before he move on other promotional contract?

In that case then he need to talk to Manny personally and settle things with his company. I think Manny will understand if he wanted to separate and join Probellum with Donaire.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 27, 2022, 03:55:29 AM

boxers nowadays are more practical, the handlers are wise and pride is no longer the priority.

Well, it is a business and they need to be wiser than anyone. It's all about a career that would change their lifetime and there's no other way to go but to have the best decision that they should make.

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As long as they can collect big paychecks, it's okay for them to fight whoever the promoters choose for them.

Yes and that's why there are sudden matches that have been made due to the decision of their promoters. And the boxer, they can't disagree and disobey the order for that match as there's always the paycheck that's part of it.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 27, 2022, 08:48:28 AM

Quote from: Botnake on January 27, 2022, 08:39:12 AM

If Inoue would want an impressive fight from Casimero then he wouldn't have to wait this long because when Casimero upset Tete, that was the best timing to challenge him or accept the challenge. Casimero has been challenging him but he seem not responding seriously, so I don't know if he is really interested or just making an excuse so he could not face Casimero.

Casimero's antics got Inoue that is why the latter really want to face Casimero at first but as time goes by and Inoue have realized that whatever Casimero have said on social media is just a way for him to accept the challenge, he no longer interested on fighting him unless it is for the unification of the belt.

Casimero is a bit problematic at the moment as the problems with MP Promotions has not yet been solve and he has no conditioning coach but i do hope that they will patch up the problems with Sean Gibbons before April 23, the scheduled date of the fight.

Well, let's wait for the result of this fight, if Casimero will successfully defend his title, then the next fight might be a unification fight. For a champion like Casimero, the promoter should not be messing with his career as they can make a lot of money from him as long as they give him a big fight, and no bigger fights in this division than Inoue or Donaire.

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Quote from: Botnake on January 27, 2022, 08:39:12 AM

If Inoue would want an impressive fight from Casimero then he wouldn't have to wait this long because when Casimero upset Tete, that was the best timing to challenge him or accept the challenge. Casimero has been challenging him but he seem not responding seriously, so I don't know if he is really interested or just making an excuse so he could not face Casimero.

Casimero's antics got Inoue that is why the latter really want to face Casimero at first but as time goes by and Inoue have realized that whatever Casimero have said on social media is just a way for him to accept the challenge, he no longer interested on fighting him unless it is for the unification of the belt.

Casimero is a bit problematic at the moment as the problems with MP Promotions has not yet been solve and he has no conditioning coach but i do hope that they will patch up the problems with Sean Gibbons before April 23, the scheduled date of the fight.

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A win is already impressive and that would be enough for Inoue and his camp to accept if ever Casimero offers a fight just what we've been tuning last year.

A win is necessary, and even if it's not impressive, the fight would still sell as it's a unification fight. Casimero is the only fighter in the Bantamweight division that i think has a chance of beating Inoue, so if he would not be given a chance, people will doubt Inoue's real capability.

If Inoue would want an impressive fight from Casimero then he wouldn't have to wait this long because when Casimero upset Tete, that was the best timing to challenge him or accept the challenge. Casimero has been challenging him but he seem not responding seriously, so I don't know if he is really interested or just making an excuse so he could not face Casimero.

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Quote from: tabas on January 27, 2022, 05:52:59 AM

A win is already impressive and that would be enough for Inoue and his camp to accept if ever Casimero offers a fight just what we've been tuning last year.

A win is necessary, and even if it's not impressive, the fight would still sell as it's a unification fight. Casimero is the only fighter in the Bantamweight division that i think has a chance of beating Inoue, so if he would not be given a chance, people will doubt Inoue's real capability.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on January 27, 2022, 04:08:49 AM

There are talks that the Inoue vs Donaire 2 will be stage this April so i think this fight will go first before the Casimero vs Inoue if ever pushes through because the Casimero vs Butler fight is already scheduled this April 23 in Liverpool but just can't post here the link (i have to find if first).

I've been hearing that I think since last year but there's no one from the camp of both fighters that have said any information about that. It's good to leave it there as a rumor until they're the ones to announce it that the rematch would happen soon if time permits.

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For Inoue to fight Casimero, he should be impressive enough on his win against Butler to gain the attention of the boxing community.

A win is already impressive and that would be enough for Inoue and his camp to accept if ever Casimero offers a fight just what we've been tuning last year.

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Quote from: Dave1 on January 26, 2022, 09:49:06 AM

^^ I think it boils down as to what Bob Arum will advise Inoue here.

If Uncle Bob says "fight Donaire first, the chances are very high since you already beat him. Let Casimero fight other boxers, and be damage before you fight him."

So this could be the likely scenario even if Casimero wins his bout against Butler.

It always depends on what uncle Bob will say on the future of Inoue, just like what he did to the career of Manny Pacquaio and Terrence Crawford

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There are talks that the Inoue vs Donaire 2 will be stage this April so i think this fight will go first before the Casimero vs Inoue if ever pushes through because the Casimero vs Butler fight is already scheduled this April 23 in Liverpool but just can't post here the link (i have to find if first).

For Inoue to fight Casimero, he should be impressive enough on his win against Butler to gain the attention of the boxing community.

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