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If he is getting more opportunities to fight then most likely he will have a chance to be one of the great boxers in the Philippines as he doesn't back down against any opponent, in fact, he challenges the champions which is a quality of a real champion, he doesn't cherry-pick his opponent.

Casimero is a warrior by heart, he travels the world to fight the best and bring honor to is country, so he really deserve to have a big fight and that should start a fight against Inoue.

The very good side of him as a warrior he never backs down and never been afraid. He talks a lot of trash but he keeps wanting to prove it.

Challenging Inoue would be the toughest challenged that he's going to face, not sure if what Arum is waiting not to bring this
and start rolling the contract.

Inoue's willing to shut Casimero's mouth, very interesting if after Casimero beats Butler, the talk between these two champs will be discussed.

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If they are under the same promotion, then most probably we will not see them fight soon.

Bor Arum is probably the oldest promoter that is alive now, he knows how to play the game and he will make sure that his player will give him long term income, and because of that, it makes boxing boring as it puts money first before anything else instead of fighting the best boxer's then money will come next.

Unfortunately this is a very old topic and yet nothing ever changes, promoters are in it for the money and not to give fans what they want and if that means they need to have both of their fighters avoid each other so be it, even if technically a fight among them will be easy to organize due to having the same promoter, but that is not what the promoter want, they want to extract as much money as possible from their fighters and that means delaying the big fight for as long as they can.

Its natural for promoter to go after the money since in the end of the day this is still a business and they want to wide spread hype so that they can possibly maximize their profit so its up to the fighter on how they perform since if they can able to win their match for sure they can take home a bigger prize than what they get on their previous match. For sure next assignment of Casimero will be Inoue if he could take this win.

And I understand that and it is completely natural as boxing is a business and the business side is important, however when the only thing that matters is the business side and not the fans that is when it bothers me as years can pass by before we see the fight that we want, and by the time it happens the fighters are not as good as they used to be or the fans just got bored with the situation and they are not interested in the fight anymore, after all there are many forms of entertainment and watching a boxing fight is only one of them.

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Anyway, after this fight I hope Casimero gets an opponent that can give him a big break in his career.

Only if he wins. Way back a few weeks if I remember, his camp told the media that negotiations with Naoya Inoue are now in process and if Casimero will win the fight against Butler, Naoya Inoue is a sure next.

casimero already lined up for the best in His division like Naoya Inoue or Nonito Donaire , meaning if he managed to win this fight surely he will be having a best fight of His career.

These 3 are the champions in their division, we like to see a unification match and so we will know who really is the best among the three fighters.
Based on ranking, Inoue is the best, but if he is really strong and he likes to proved it to the fans, then he should accept the challenge and be an undisputed champion by beating Casimero and Donaire.

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Anyway, after this fight I hope Casimero gets an opponent that can give him a big break in his career.

Only if he wins. Way back a few weeks if I remember, his camp told the media that negotiations with Naoya Inoue are now in process and if Casimero will win the fight against Butler, Naoya Inoue is a sure next.

casimero already lined up for the best in His division like Naoya Inoue or Nonito Donaire , meaning if he managed to win this fight surely he will be having a best fight of His career.

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Let's wait for the result first of this match before we can see if Casimero will get an opponent that can give him a big break in his boxing career. If he lose on this match, no more Naoya Inoue talks.

I am pretty sure that His chances to win against Butler is high though also we knew that decision only happens after the fight .

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If he lose on this match, no more Naoya Inoue talks.

Don't worry he won't lose this fight.

Casimero have the advantage here but still no guarantee that he will win since Butler is also a rising boxer, so this will be a hard match that should take seriously if he still wants to fight Inoue or even Donaire. There's no odds available yet I'm also waiting for this, or maybe this fight will not push through, I don't know though if the date is final already, we'll see.

I know that, but it's always better to be optimistic that he will win as a way of supporting him, I like to see him fighting against Inoue, so he needs to win and I'm sure he has the skills to knockout his opponent since I believe that Butler is not on his level right now.

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If he lose on this match, no more Naoya Inoue talks.

Don't worry he won't lose this fight.

Casimero have the advantage here but still no guarantee that he will win since Butler is also a rising boxer, so this will be a hard match that should take seriously if he still wants to fight Inoue or even Donaire. There's no odds available yet I'm also waiting for this, or maybe this fight will not push through, I don't know though if the date is final already, we'll see.

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No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

Didn’t see any as well, maybe its too early to place a bet but once its available that’s your choice. Hopefully no more changes along the road to make this happen next Month because I’m also excited to watch this two boxer.

I guess we have no choice but to wait until it's up, I just too excited of the odds so I will be able to see how the odds would look like since my expectation is that Casimero will be heavily favored, but I'm hoping he will not so the odds that I'll get is not that low.

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If he lose on this match, no more Naoya Inoue talks.

Don't worry he won't lose this fight.

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Quote from: lienfaye on November 14, 2021, 12:08:29 AM

Anyway, after this fight I hope Casimero gets an opponent that can give him a big break in his career.

Only if he wins. Way back a few weeks if I remember, his camp told the media that negotiations with Naoya Inoue are now in process and if Casimero will win the fight against Butler, Naoya Inoue is a sure next.

Let's wait for the result first of this match before we can see if Casimero will get an opponent that can give him a big break in his boxing career. If he lose on this match, no more Naoya Inoue talks.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 13, 2021, 01:56:55 AM

All of them need to go through a lot and it's never an easy process. They all have to beat lots of boxers for them to reach a new level and gain a new title. It's honestly a long journey for them and each boxer that they beat has a huge advantage for them to create a good name. Casimero has to grab this chance for him to add more to his record.

Thats true. Its not an easy journey for these boxers to reach the popularity that they have been dreaming of. Even Pacquiao have gone through this with a humble beginning. But look at him now he became a boxing champ and his popularity also open for other opportunities outside sports (if you know what I mean). Anyway, after this fight I hope Casimero gets an opponent that can give him a big break in his career.

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No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

Didn’t see any as well, maybe its too early to place a bet but once its available that’s your choice. Hopefully no more changes along the road to make this happen next Month because I’m also excited to watch this two boxer. Usually, I place my bet weeks before the fight which I think the odds are more reasonable by that time, let’s see if some sportsbook will have this as early as now.

This fight is not even popular internatiionally, the purse is very small and it's not the usual purse Casimero would receive and he blamed that for the lack of support from MP promotion, probably the reason why he is now working with a new promoter.

Most probably this is the reason why he changed his promoter, and until now seriously this fight didn’t hit the main stream, I’m also wondering why Casimero is not making any trash talk with his upcoming fight, probably they are still fixing some issues here.

Anyway, I still believe the odds for this will be available soon since some unknown boxers have their odds as well, so this one should be more possible, these two are great boxer that can attract bettors as well.

It's probably because of his opponent's name, I'm pretty sure majority of us here haven't heard of Butler before. So it make sense that this fight will not gain the needed audience except us Filipinos and some fans of Casimero and Butler.

I'm just thinking though, this past few days there was another upset in boxing again with Kid Galahad of UK was knockout by a 35 year old Kiko Martinez and Galahad's belt.

Hopefully this will not happen to Casimero though.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 13, 2021, 01:56:55 AM

All of them need to go through a lot and it's never an easy process. They all have to beat lots of boxers for them to reach a new level and gain a new title. It's honestly a long journey for them and each boxer that they beat has a huge advantage for them to create a good name. Casimero has to grab this chance for him to add more to his record.

That's the journey that needed to take before you make this sport as your source of living.

Fighting and keeps on winning to raise your name high. Casimero's achievements still far from Pacquiao and Donaire but by keep doing his best to beat every challengers that he may face, that kind of fame is not far for him.

Keep adding tremendous wins and make yourself always willing and ready for every fight that your promoter is giving you.

After that, who knows how high this trash talker will achieve, all begins with a simple dream and now he already
getting the fruits of his hard works.

If he is getting more opportunities to fight then most likely he will have a chance to be one of the great boxers in the Philippines as he doesn't back down against any opponent, in fact, he challenges the champions which is a quality of a real champion, he doesn't cherry-pick his opponent.

Casimero is a warrior by heart, he travels the world to fight the best and bring honor to is country, so he really deserve to have a big fight and that should start a fight against Inoue.

he is actually a good boxer but the public knows too much about pacquiao who is considered a boxing legend there so any other talented boxer will be under pacquiao's shadow.
on the other hand I have never doubted the greatness of boxers in the Philippines today because they are very strong, and Inoue could be said to be commensurate with him and it would be quite exciting if they met.

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No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

Didn’t see any as well, maybe its too early to place a bet but once its available that’s your choice. Hopefully no more changes along the road to make this happen next Month because I’m also excited to watch this two boxer. Usually, I place my bet weeks before the fight which I think the odds are more reasonable by that time, let’s see if some sportsbook will have this as early as now.

This fight is not even popular internatiionally, the purse is very small and it's not the usual purse Casimero would receive and he blamed that for the lack of support from MP promotion, probably the reason why he is now working with a new promoter.

Most probably this is the reason why he changed his promoter, and until now seriously this fight didn’t hit the main stream, I’m also wondering why Casimero is not making any trash talk with his upcoming fight, probably they are still fixing some issues here.

Anyway, I still believe the odds for this will be available soon since some unknown boxers have their odds as well, so this one should be more possible, these two are great boxer that can attract bettors as well.

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No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

Didn’t see any as well, maybe its too early to place a bet but once its available that’s your choice. Hopefully no more changes along the road to make this happen next Month because I’m also excited to watch this two boxer. Usually, I place my bet weeks before the fight which I think the odds are more reasonable by that time, let’s see if some sportsbook will have this as early as now.

This fight is not even popular internatiionally, the purse is very small and it's not the usual purse Casimero would receive and he blamed that for the lack of support from MP promotion, probably the reason why he is now working with a new promoter.

https://filipino.news/2021/10/09/boxing-casimero-frustrated-by-lack-of-support-in-butler-fight/

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MP Promotions did not participate in the purse bid which was won unopposed by Richard Schaefer’s Probellum with a submission of $ 105,000.

Casimero will get 75 percent of that near-minimum winning purse bid, which amounts to $ 75,750 before deductions. This is a big paycut from the six-digit figures he used to receive.

Butler, meanwhile, will get 25 percent of the purse or $ 26,250.

But the reigning WBO champion vowed to continue to fight despite the cut.

“I will fight even without support !!! Let’s go! I will fight for something to be given again,” Casimero said in his Facebook post.

So I think even a week before the fight the odds would still not be availalbe, just to be sure, check a day before the fight.

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Quote from: sunsilk on September 22, 2021, 06:38:04 PM

If that's an order so the Inoue and Casimero match might be delayed and this match will be the first to happen. I get it, maybe this is the reason why Casimero has stayed there because there's something like this that has been cooking.

And if there's money involve and one or two of them will pay the penalties then Inoue and Casimero will happen. But I don't think that any of them would be willing to pay for penalties just to pursue their match. Boxing is still a business.

Butler good body puncher an why is donaire not fighting casimero for unification fight , donaire has to fight casimero he has the WBO title an inoue has 2 belts an will tell donaire he needs 2 belts for undisputed fight in this case wil say I like donaire but to not take the casimero I have to disagree on decision not to fight for unification not doing it for fans think he holding his belt ransom

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Quote from: Distinctin on November 13, 2021, 04:03:59 PM

No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

Didn’t see any as well, maybe its too early to place a bet but once its available that’s your choice. Hopefully no more changes along the road to make this happen next Month because I’m also excited to watch this two boxer. Usually, I place my bet weeks before the fight which I think the odds are more reasonable by that time, let’s see if some sportsbook will have this as early as now.

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No update yet on the betting odds of this fight?

Been searching for the odds online and I could not find any information about it.
The fight is next month so I'm kinda excited about checking the odds as I am the type of bettor who would love to put a bet early.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 13, 2021, 01:56:55 AM

All of them need to go through a lot and it's never an easy process. They all have to beat lots of boxers for them to reach a new level and gain a new title. It's honestly a long journey for them and each boxer that they beat has a huge advantage for them to create a good name. Casimero has to grab this chance for him to add more to his record.

That's the journey that needed to take before you make this sport as your source of living.

Fighting and keeps on winning to raise your name high. Casimero's achievements still far from Pacquiao and Donaire but by keep doing his best to beat every challengers that he may face, that kind of fame is not far for him.

Keep adding tremendous wins and make yourself always willing and ready for every fight that your promoter is giving you.

After that, who knows how high this trash talker will achieve, all begins with a simple dream and now he already
getting the fruits of his hard works.

If he is getting more opportunities to fight then most likely he will have a chance to be one of the great boxers in the Philippines as he doesn't back down against any opponent, in fact, he challenges the champions which is a quality of a real champion, he doesn't cherry-pick his opponent.

Casimero is a warrior by heart, he travels the world to fight the best and bring honor to is country, so he really deserve to have a big fight and that should start a fight against Inoue.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 13, 2021, 01:56:55 AM

All of them need to go through a lot and it's never an easy process. They all have to beat lots of boxers for them to reach a new level and gain a new title. It's honestly a long journey for them and each boxer that they beat has a huge advantage for them to create a good name. Casimero has to grab this chance for him to add more to his record.

That's the journey that needed to take before you make this sport as your source of living.

Fighting and keeps on winning to raise your name high. Casimero's achievements still far from Pacquiao and Donaire but by keep doing his best to beat every challengers that he may face, that kind of fame is not far for him.

Keep adding tremendous wins and make yourself always willing and ready for every fight that your promoter is giving you.

After that, who knows how high this trash talker will achieve, all begins with a simple dream and now he already
getting the fruits of his hard works.

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Maybe what he meant is that for a preparation for a bigger fight like Nonito or Inoue in the future.

But for sure Casimero are not going to take the fight against Butler lightly, he wanted to show the world has powerful fighter he is. That's why we are expecting a knock out coming from him because he is really destroying everyone leading up to the belt he won against Tete and then defended it already.

Well since Casimero is dreaming to have a big fight with Inoue or in Donaire of course he shouldn't have to take this upcoming game of him with butler that easy fight. Though Casimero has already proven his capability, his skills inside the ring but this time I believe that he needs to win this game probably a knock down win rate for a more big fight for his career in the following days. This Upcoming game enticing every boxing fans because of two big names involve in the same date, Casimero and Donaire fight in the same event.

He will not became a champion if he will take his opponent as an easy one and maybe we can see him being nasty on social media but in reality for sure he will do all things that needed so that he will be more prepared on this fight since remember there are so many at stake for him on this fight and its a big shame for him to be lost on the fight and for sure he will lose the chances to fight either Inoue or Donaire if he will think about those things and play cool on this match.

Exactly, Casimero does not have an easy journey to reach where he is now, he has to challenge fighters in their country just to beat them and he was so successful in doing that, now it's over, he has big fights mostly in the US and that's paying off for him. Of course, this fight could be easy in paper but we never know what would happen until we watch the fight, Casimero is a fighter that always wants to impress the fans, so if Butler would do the same, then most probably we will see a very entertaining match.

All of them need to go through a lot and it's never an easy process. They all have to beat lots of boxers for them to reach a new level and gain a new title. It's honestly a long journey for them and each boxer that they beat has a huge advantage for them to create a good name. Casimero has to grab this chance for him to add more to his record.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on November 12, 2021, 04:32:22 PM

I think he will likely face Inoue as his promoter would not allow that to happen.

This is probably the scenario.

If both Donaire and Casimero will win against on their respective challengers, then one of the could fight Inoue, if one of them lose, at least there's still one left that could fight Inoue, in that way, both fights would give good money to their promoters since Inoue is popular and he will attract the fans to watch the fight.

If this is the case then it will for surely less likely to happen that Donaire vs. Casimero rematch will going to happen which in some boxing fans that are looking forward for this rematch will be a disappointment however, I guess either which one of them will going to fight Inoue will probably going to give an exciting fight that every boxing fans would watch for. The big fight for two Filipino boxers are fast approaching and knowing that it will going to happen in the same ring, same date and night but with different time I am curious which fight will be the main event though?

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