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Quote from: Jating on November 26, 2021, 01:54:31 PM

@Russlenat - that article might be outdated already, Casimero is no longer with MP promotions.

Therefore MP promotion was not telling the truth because they didn't make the fight possible, under the new promoter of Casimero, the approach could be different and they always have the say on whom they will face Inoue first, and it could be Donaire, maybe.

Also, if we noticed, Casimero does not trash talk anymore, so probably it's because of the new promoter.

We cant really make any conclusions for it to be the main reason on why Casimero isnt trashtalking anymore just due because of new promoter.Well it

could be possible but not really a precise reason for us to to presume that it might be the reason.Of course the organization would always have the

final decision when it comes to fight arrangement and decisions whether which fighter would go first and which one is not.

There are only few rumors now as both Filipino fighters are very busy with their upcoming fights, if they both win the fight, then most likely next year we will already have an idea on who would go first on fighting Inoue. I hope Inoue is willing to accept the challenge for unification and he must have a big goal of being an undisputed champion in his division before moving up.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 26, 2021, 03:31:16 PM

Quote from: Jating on November 26, 2021, 01:54:31 PM

@Russlenat - that article might be outdated already, Casimero is no longer with MP promotions.

Therefore MP promotion was not telling the truth because they didn't make the fight possible, under the new promoter of Casimero, the approach could be different and they always have the say on whom they will face Inoue first, and it could be Donaire, maybe.

Also, if we noticed, Casimero does not trash talk anymore, so probably it's because of the new promoter.

We cant really make any conclusions for it to be the main reason on why Casimero isnt trashtalking anymore just due because of new promoter.Well it

could be possible but not really a precise reason for us to to presume that it might be the reason.Of course the organization would always have the

final decision when it comes to fight arrangement and decisions whether which fighter would go first and which one is not.

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Quote from: Jating on November 26, 2021, 01:54:31 PM

@Russlenat - that article might be outdated already, Casimero is no longer with MP promotions.

Therefore MP promotion was not telling the truth because they didn't make the fight possible, under the new promoter of Casimero, the approach could be different and they always have the say on whom they will face Inoue first, and it could be Donaire, maybe.

Also, if we noticed, Casimero does not trash talk anymore, so probably it's because of the new promoter.

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Quote from: molsewid on November 26, 2021, 12:49:24 PM

Quote from: Kelvinid on November 26, 2021, 09:25:13 AM

That's a one-sided statement only, it's only coming from the camp of Casimero, we should also hear from the camp of Inoue confirming such information. I think it's too early to think of that, Casimero still has a job to finish, and he should not take Butler lightly as it could destroy his plan if he loses in his fight.

It would be clear for every boxing fans if both parties release a statement about this but since the fight of Casimero vs. Butler was not yet happen then I think having this kind of speculation is too early to assume, though maybe there might be some rumors but yeah Casimero has still a fight that needs to be focus and prioritize. He needs to win in this fight so he can secure a slot for an upcoming big fights like fighting Japanese fighters Inoue which every fan are waiting for.

Right, so let's talk about Casimero vs Butler and stop speculating for now for the future of Casimero's fight including Inoue, if the fight happens then good for us.

And I think Casimero has taken silence already because he has a new fighter in his plate that he don't want to underestimate as this his is mandatory. Lopez vs Kambosos has a lot of fanfare and George is the mandatory. So this mandatory fighters have a lot to prove as well and hopefully if won't sabotage the future fight of Casimero vs Inoue.

@Russlenat - that article might be outdated already, Casimero is no longer with MP promotions.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on November 26, 2021, 09:25:13 AM

That's a one-sided statement only, it's only coming from the camp of Casimero, we should also hear from the camp of Inoue confirming such information. I think it's too early to think of that, Casimero still has a job to finish, and he should not take Butler lightly as it could destroy his plan if he loses in his fight.

It would be clear for every boxing fans if both parties release a statement about this but since the fight of Casimero vs. Butler was not yet happen then I think having this kind of speculation is too early to assume, though maybe there might be some rumors but yeah Casimero has still a fight that needs to be focus and prioritize. He needs to win in this fight so he can secure a slot for an upcoming big fights like fighting Japanese fighters Inoue which every fan are waiting for.

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Quote from: Russlenat on November 26, 2021, 08:48:27 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 26, 2021, 03:02:34 AM

..if Butler goes this route, for sure this match might ended early with stoppage or knock out.

That's what we want to see because it will make him prepared for his next fight.

Butler is an aggressive fighter, but probably smarter than Micah, so we can't easily say that Casimero will win by KO but hopefully, he will.
It's necessary that Casimero will win this in a convincing passion to ensure a big fight next, and no other fight that will satisfy him, and that is to fight Inoue which is the most popular in their division.

I don't know if how true is this.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/809644/naoya-inoue-up-next-for-casimero-if-he-wins-upcoming-fight/story/

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"The big news is [MP Promotions President] Sean Gibbons confirmed that he is in talks with Japanese promoter Akihiko Honda. If Casimero beats the scale and beats Paul Butler, this is guaranteed," Henson said.

We are expecting to see that, but as long as no contract has been signed yet, there's a chance that the fight will not happen. They are just trying to put some hype to make their names popular, but Inoue here should stand with his words and fight Casimero.

That's a one-sided statement only, it's only coming from the camp of Casimero, we should also hear from the camp of Inoue confirming such information. I think it's too early to think of that, Casimero still has a job to finish, and he should not take Butler lightly as it could destroy his plan if he loses in his fight.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 26, 2021, 08:20:57 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 26, 2021, 03:02:34 AM

..if Butler goes this route, for sure this match might ended early with stoppage or knock out.

That's what we want to see because it will make him prepared for his next fight.

Butler is an aggressive fighter, but probably smarter than Micah, so we can't easily say that Casimero will win by KO but hopefully, he will.
It's necessary that Casimero will win this in a convincing passion to ensure a big fight next, and no other fight that will satisfy him, and that is to fight Inoue which is the most popular in their division.

I don't know if how true is this.

https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/sports/boxing/809644/naoya-inoue-up-next-for-casimero-if-he-wins-upcoming-fight/story/

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"The big news is [MP Promotions President] Sean Gibbons confirmed that he is in talks with Japanese promoter Akihiko Honda. If Casimero beats the scale and beats Paul Butler, this is guaranteed," Henson said.

We are expecting to see that, but as long as no contract has been signed yet, there's a chance that the fight will not happen. They are just trying to put some hype to make their names popular, but Inoue here should stand with his words and fight Casimero.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on November 26, 2021, 03:02:34 AM

..if Butler goes this route, for sure this match might ended early with stoppage or knock out.

That's what we want to see because it will make him prepared for his next fight.

Butler is an aggressive fighter, but probably smarter than Micah, so we can't easily say that Casimero will win by KO but hopefully, he will.
It's necessary that Casimero will win this in a convincing passion to ensure a big fight next, and no other fight that will satisfy him, and that is to fight Inoue which is the most popular in their division.

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Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

This is something that Casimero does have. He always manages to make something unexpected and even he is quite deft in intimidating his opponent.
With the weakness of Butler who often throws punches, I think this will be used because when that happens Butler's defense will be a little weaker and this must be used well by Casimero.
I think the aggressiveness of these two boxers will present something different in this match, now it depends on how their stamina and strategy are. If Butler will apply the strategy as before by wasting punches then it is certain that Casimero will win this match

And if they think that they can beat Casimero by trying to brawl against it, they are going to be mistaken. Just like what Duke Micah did, Micah goes toe to toe with Casimero in early rounds and he has some success. But once Casimero landed that power on his chin, ohh, he just goes down, got bloodied and was never the same again. So that's how Casimero is, if Butler goes this route, for sure this match might ended early with stoppage or knock out.

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Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: Alanaz on November 25, 2021, 01:36:46 PM

Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

This is something that Casimero does have. He always manages to make something unexpected and even he is quite deft in intimidating his opponent.
With the weakness of Butler who often throws punches, I think this will be used because when that happens Butler's defense will be a little weaker and this must be used well by Casimero.
I think the aggressiveness of these two boxers will present something different in this match, now it depends on how their stamina and strategy are. If Butler will apply the strategy as before by wasting punches then it is certain that Casimero will win this match

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Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:55:14 PM

Still, it's a very interesting fight to watch as this is his ticket on fighting Inoue, so he has to win this to bring some hype and continue making trash talk on Inoue until they'll finally sign a contract.

Correct. That fight is a ticker for Casimero to challenge Inoue. If the former won't be able to beat that guy, he should not waste his time now crying to have a fight with Inoue. Inoue's camp won't entertain Casimero anymore if he doesn't beat Butler which is behind Inoue's skill.

No need to go easy on Butler. It's the fight he needs to win or else no Inoue next.

And that's why Casimero need to win convincingly here and demolished Butler just like his previous opponents so that the hype train will continue to run and then the talks with Inoue will still in the table for Casimero next year.

So for me he needs to knockout Butler, regain the belt and then call out Inoue.

And then the pressure will be on Inoue's side now whether to accept it or not. Still depends on Bob Arum though, as we all know that he protects his cash cow.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on November 25, 2021, 06:46:03 PM

KO or not, I'm expecting that Casimero will certainly give his best on this fight. Maybe a quick end will give his fans good impression but as long as the fight goes clean and KO at any round, that would be fine to the other fans like me.
But for Butler, let's also give him the thought that he's also a good fighter that will also give his best shot on this fight. Well, but as a fan, we have our bias with Casimero.

Given most of us here are biased, we should expect that Casimero will be the dominant here. He's the champion here and Butler is the challenger. If no mandatory challenge is ordered by WBO, Butler won't have an opportunity to face the champion. That's where the inspiration will come from him because no need to fight other boxers as a requirement before facing the champion.

Snatching the title to Casimero will make Butler's name more popular that's why I see him as more encourage and eager to win compared to Casimero that has eyeing another target and not expected this mandatory fight. Although yes, it doesn't mean that Casimero won't prepare seriously. Of course, he is. It's not his style to look easy on every of his opponent.

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Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:55:14 PM

Still, it's a very interesting fight to watch as this is his ticket on fighting Inoue, so he has to win this to bring some hype and continue making trash talk on Inoue until they'll finally sign a contract.

Correct. That fight is a ticker for Casimero to challenge Inoue. If the former won't be able to beat that guy, he should not waste his time now crying to have a fight with Inoue. Inoue's camp won't entertain Casimero anymore if he doesn't beat Butler which is behind Inoue's skill.

No need to go easy on Butler. It's the fight he needs to win or else no Inoue next.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on November 24, 2021, 07:46:39 AM

Casimero if given a chance would want to end the game early, it's time for him to excite the fans again after a bad performance in his last fight against Rigo, so we should expect a KO as Butler is not a type of boxer that will box and run, he is aggressive and also looking for a KO.

KO or not, I'm expecting that Casimero will certainly give his best on this fight. Maybe a quick end will give his fans good impression but as long as the fight goes clean and KO at any round, that would be fine to the other fans like me.
But for Butler, let's also give him the thought that he's also a good fighter that will also give his best shot on this fight. Well, but as a fan, we have our bias with Casimero.

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Quote from: Mahanton on November 25, 2021, 04:59:20 PM

He might not have that speed but the power then i could tell that it is something there too.The thing i do like with Casimero is that he had really that fighting spirit and does have that will to beat up stronger opponent

That will and fighting spirit is already given. Not just Casimero but every boxer, when entered the ring, have traits like that. And that included Butler too.

If we stick to analysis and not on how determined both of these boxers are, Butler is also an in-fighter and the same with Casimero, that's their comfort zone.

It's now up on who will stand strong at the end.

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Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:06:45 PM

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

Casimero loves that kind of fight. If Butler will throw lots of punches, the chance he might leave himself unguarded. If that happened, Casimero will take that advantage and will attack him back. Very interesting to see both fighters to exchange punches and try if how tough their opponent was, I missed the time when the kind of Marquez-Pacquiao fight.

Both are aggressive and really giving all the best when inside the ring, not sure if this will be the same or we might see that kind
Of fight again once Inoue and Casimero match happen. Roll Eyes

This should be different because this is the first time they meet and Casimero does not have the speed and power Pacman has. Still, it's a very interesting fight to watch as this is his ticket on fighting Inoue, so he has to win this to bring some hype and continue making trash talk on Inoue until they'll finally sign a contract.

He might not have that speed but the power then i could tell that it is something there too.The thing i do like with Casimero is that he had really that fighting spirit and does have that will to beat up stronger opponent even though this guy is somewhat a flatfooted and not really that fast when it comes to foot work but he does have
that considerable power that could take down boxers which made him a little bit famous but lets see if it would be effective on more upcoming fights to come.

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Quote from: Fredomago on November 25, 2021, 04:45:12 PM

Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:06:45 PM

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

Casimero loves that kind of fight. If Butler will throw lots of punches, the chance he might leave himself unguarded. If that happened, Casimero will take that advantage and will attack him back. Very interesting to see both fighters to exchange punches and try if how tough their opponent was, I missed the time when the kind of Marquez-Pacquiao fight.

Both are aggressive and really giving all the best when inside the ring, not sure if this will be the same or we might see that kind
Of fight again once Inoue and Casimero match happen. Roll Eyes

This should be different because this is the first time they meet and Casimero does not have the speed and power Pacman has. Still, it's a very interesting fight to watch as this is his ticket on fighting Inoue, so he has to win this to bring some hype and continue making trash talk on Inoue until they'll finally sign a contract.

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Quote from: Questat on November 25, 2021, 04:06:45 PM

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

Casimero loves that kind of fight. If Butler will throw lots of punches, the chance he might leave himself unguarded. If that happened, Casimero will take that advantage and will attack him back. Very interesting to see both fighters to exchange punches and try if how tough their opponent was, I missed the time when the kind of Marquez-Pacquiao fight.

Both are aggressive and really giving all the best when inside the ring, not sure if this will be the same or we might see that kind
Of fight again once Inoue and Casimero match happen. Roll Eyes

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I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

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WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

He might get tired if his style will not work against Casimero.

Casimero is a great counter puncher, he has a deadly punch that would hurt and KO an opponent if not careful in the ring.
Look at what happened in the fight against Tete, Casimero was just waiting for the right timing to counter Tete and his plan succeeded and that punch changes the fight and he won by KO, it's an upset since Tete was the favorite.

Fan fact, Tete beet Butler, so most likely Casimero would also beat Butler.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on November 23, 2021, 08:29:09 AM

I'm checking for an update of the fight and try searching for the odds and I fould this.

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WHAT WERE THE ODDS ON CASIMERO VS BUTLER?
Paul Butler is currently (+100) to win the bout outright, while you can get (+100) on John Riel Casimero if you fancy the incredible upset.

https://box.live/fights/casimero-vs-butler/

I'm not sure if the odds are reliable because AFAIK, Casimero is the champion and the better fighter, with +100 for Butler, then most likely the odds for Casimero is very attractive.

Currently Casimero 31-4-0, 21 KO while Butler 33-2-0, 15 KO. Actually if you look at the statistics they are both quite strong and indeed have great potential but if you look further in fact this is clearly in Casimero's favor and it's not wrong that Casimero is the favorite to win this fight.
actually butler is a good boxer and let's not forget about him being a world champion but butler has a problem with his punches he throws too many punches which is pointless in my opinion and this is definitely going to be taken advantage of by casimero

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