Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
Well, it's kind of tactic for them to generate a revenue and hype on social media or other thing they can think of is a good thing. With the pandemic still a thing it wouldn't be easy as it seems for boxing arrangements these days. Exactly, it isn't only the fighters they should think of for this kind of fight, there are other staffs to think for. 
Topic: [Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 87. (Read 9104 times)
November 01, 2021, 08:55:35 PM
November 01, 2021, 07:54:44 PM
This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.
Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.
This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.
Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.
At this point I already catalog this fight as favorable for Casimero, I would never say that Butler is weak or that he is below him, the mere fact of thinking that the statistics are reviewed by Butler, as an athlete and high performance athlete wants to change those numbers, in addition to that in boxing the reputation of each boxer is everything and it is what makes it possible to give more excitement for everyone.
We shouldn't think Butler is weak. It's a mandatory fight that was given to Casimero which means they are in the same league.
Favorites or not, they are both equal to me but Casimero is more hyped here because mostly, users here are based on PH like me.
November 01, 2021, 07:37:42 PM
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
Due to the current situation there's no other option to do to promote the upcoming fight but to hype the game, which this is just stands for the marketing strategy of the WBO to cover the amount that the organization may spend to arrange the fight. And yeah I think there's a point that the promoters delay fights in order to hype the upcoming battle and there's nothing wrong about delaying the fight as long as it will be push through right, setting up a game is not easy and they need the reasonable amount of profit and hype the game to compensate those players.
That's what I'm pointing out and maybe the reason why still there's no formal official date. They want to build hype first before making a final decision.
Another thing, if venues from Dubai for example, are asking for more money, that's already an issue. Dubai is one of the countries that live in a luxury state. Those venues there are expensive and promoters will have a problem if the fight won't generate good revenue.
November 01, 2021, 07:32:57 PM
promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
That's why betting on the underdog is profitable if you see the value of a fighter that could potentially beat the favorites. Oddsmakers just follow what the public thinks, and if a fighter is hyped enough then most probably the odds are overvalued which makes betting on the underdog more profitable.
trying out to make money as much as they can but there are instances on where underdogs could beat up the favorites and thats surely an expenses or minus on the revenue itself but they arent
that dumb on sticking on methods which they likely to benefit.
November 01, 2021, 06:23:09 PM
With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.
But if I'm not mistaken, the United States is not an option for the venue. In some shared articles here on the thread, it's between Dubai or the United Kingdom. I don't know the status of the pandemic situation in Dubai and the UK but as we know. If only it will be on 100% the United States, there should be no problem about hyping the fight as no doubt they have better audiences even for a certain fight that is not popular.
November 01, 2021, 01:58:28 PM
promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
That's why betting on the underdog is profitable if you see the value of a fighter that could potentially beat the favorites. Oddsmakers just follow what the public thinks, and if a fighter is hyped enough then most probably the odds are overvalued which makes betting on the underdog more profitable.
November 01, 2021, 01:04:41 PM
promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
November 01, 2021, 03:30:46 AM
With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.
If we saw the Sultan vs Caraballo fight, you can tell that they have the crowd needed already, so most likely this fight will have the crowd that is enough on their expectation. Don't worry it will be a successful fight where the boxers and the promoters will make money, but not the money that every boxer desired as the pot is very small and Casimero has no choice but to take it since it's a mandatory fight.
Is there any information that tells how much both make in this fight?
I mean, we can definitely measure where the revenue is coming if there's a full report, if there's none, then we won't be able to know if there's enough crowd that makes the fight earn good money because it's just pure speculation based on what we see, and of course we can't the audience.
October 31, 2021, 06:39:45 PM
With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.
If we saw the Sultan vs Caraballo fight, you can tell that they have the crowd needed already, so most likely this fight will have the crowd that is enough on their expectation. Don't worry it will be a successful fight where the boxers and the promoters will make money, but not the money that every boxer desired as the pot is very small and Casimero has no choice but to take it since it's a mandatory fight.
October 30, 2021, 06:34:06 AM
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
Due to the current situation there's no other option to do to promote the upcoming fight but to hype the game, which this is just stands for the marketing strategy of the WBO to cover the amount that the organization may spend to arrange the fight. And yeah I think there's a point that the promoters delay fights in order to hype the upcoming battle and there's nothing wrong about delaying the fight as long as it will be push through right, setting up a game is not easy and they need the reasonable amount of profit and hype the game to compensate those players.
October 30, 2021, 02:05:26 AM
promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
But I think they already have a date for this fight, maybe they are just settling for what venue is will be good to generate more money, US, Middle East or UK.
I don't think that sports right now are still affected by the pandemic, we are slowly going back pre-pandemic, with a lot of people getting vaccinated, and you just have to wear face mask and you are good to go and watch the live boxing event.
October 29, 2021, 06:19:36 PM
With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
I think it's only a problem in the Philippines, but in the US they are already allowed to go to mass gatherings due to their high vaccination rate and people are not afraid anymore of the virus. So this fight could still make money from the audience but let us not expect too much as the pot on this fight is very small, which makes me think that it's not a popular fight.
October 29, 2021, 04:17:10 PM
promoters delay fights in order to hype them and they expect their fighter to win any fight they have until they can arrange the big fight that is going to bring them all of that money,
Isn't it the most common thing to do? With the pandemic happening for over a year, going back to good and high numbers of the audience is not possible yet.
Arranging a certain fight is too expensive and serious. Without a hype on the certain fight they will arrange, how can they cover the amount they have used? If only it's just simple to arrange the fight, we should now see good names battling each other. It's not that simple and to compensate those responsible people or individuals that make the fight happen, the match should be hype. More hype means more money.
October 29, 2021, 01:14:48 PM
This will also prove that if in case Casimero is the real deal. So yes, he should fight whoever is challenging him for the belt. Like Pacquiao, he was not choosy with his opponents, even if those previous opponents were really of big advantage over him. So what Casimero needs to do is beat all those boxers who are good in his division. If he will emerge winner in every match, then, we will know his true power inside the ring.
Casimero doesn't choose his opponents, his promoter does. This Butler fight is mandatory for him to fight and if he chooses not to fight then WBO will strip him of the belt but Casimero has no such plan, in fact, he is already in the US preparing for this fight. The reason why he is calling out some names in his division is that if those names fight him, that could be a lucrative fight for him money-wise.
Casimero is not getting younger, though he has the belt the amount of money he receives as a purse is just a penny compared to what has Manny Pacquiao received during this time of his career.
Mandatory fights had been always come next in line which means that theres nothing we can do but for now lets wait up and see if things will
really be in order.
All that Casimero needs is to win up those fights that had been thrown into him and might reach up on Inoue on last part.
October 28, 2021, 11:35:45 AM
I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?
I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.
I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.
You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.
And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.
According to the article here last October 8th and 22nd, the clash between Casimero and Butler will happen on December 12. It's a replacement fight for the supposed schedule fight of Casimero and Inoue.
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/22/casimero-arrives-in-us-for-title-defense-vs-butler/
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/08/december-11-set-for-casimero-butler-in-dubai-or-liverpool/
The date is already set and the only thing that is not sure at this moment is the venue, either in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates or Liverpool in the United Kingdom.
It's been now changed for the match of Butler. About the venue, I think that they should choose the country that don't have that much restriction.
October 28, 2021, 02:00:28 AM
This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.
Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.
This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.
Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.
At this point I already catalog this fight as favorable for Casimero, I would never say that Butler is weak or that he is below him, the mere fact of thinking that the statistics are reviewed by Butler, as an athlete and high performance athlete wants to change those numbers, in addition to that in boxing the reputation of each boxer is everything and it is what makes it possible to give more excitement for everyone.
Regarding Donaire, I think he has a tough time against Gaballo, it is not sure who can win now, depending on how things are going, both Casimero and Gaballo in both fights can turn out to be favorites, but these are just numbers, in the ring anything can pass, despite everything in this fight I lean towards Casimero, but it is a risk to take, Butler can surprise.
October 28, 2021, 01:12:11 AM
I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?
I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.
I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.
You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.
And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.
According to the article here last October 8th and 22nd, the clash between Casimero and Butler will happen on December 12. It's a replacement fight for the supposed schedule fight of Casimero and Inoue.
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/22/casimero-arrives-in-us-for-title-defense-vs-butler/
https://mb.com.ph/2021/10/08/december-11-set-for-casimero-butler-in-dubai-or-liverpool/
The date is already set and the only thing that is not sure at this moment is the venue, either in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates or Liverpool in the United Kingdom.
October 27, 2021, 07:06:57 PM
I still haven't found any confirmed date and month for this match. Did anyone find any legitimate source when this match is likely to happen?
I can't find any date as well, maybe they are working on the background and trying to push this fight this year at least December so that it will be a good year for boxing.
I do agree with @arwin100, the pressure will still be on Casimero's shoulder to perform and show the world that he can still knock out his opponents and face the Monster next. We don't want a boring fight like the last one. He has been in this kind of situation though, so I'm confident that Casimero will win in this fight.
You can read on the post by Kemarit, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58277454
Based on the post, the fight could potentially happen before the end of the year, the target date is December 11, 2021 but there's no confirmation yet.
And good news also because it looks like it will be a double header of both champions defending their respective title.
He said that date exactly when people asked him when he and Inoue match will happen. But if they're with the same management and Casimero has said the same date before but now with a different opponent, I think that there's really a match on that date before and Casimero anticipated that it's going to be with Inoue but just replaced and switched by the WBO. Let's move forward to that date if that's going to happen.
October 27, 2021, 06:36:11 PM
Unfortunately this is the price they have to pay for being the champion, sometimes they have to hold out fights they do not want just because they are ordered to and it is not as if they can refuse because as we know being the champion allows you to charge more money for the fights so they have no choice but to accept, and this can become a real pain when a boxer has several belts as more than a year could pass before he could select an opponent he wants to face.
Actually, that's normal in boxing, because without these mandatory fights, champions will just choose to fight a fighter that they think they can beat and that they will make a lot of money at the same time, they are getting greedy without the boxing council implementing the rules. 
October 27, 2021, 12:18:10 PM
This is going to be a very easy fight for Casimero. Butler is just a food served on a plate for Casimero. I predict this will be a walk in the park for him. But he should still be in his perfect form when facing Butler to avoid possible upset.
Hopefully it will be an easy fight for Casimero, just like you said so that he can rest his body on to the next fight with either Donaire or Inoue. But boxer with Casimero's experience knows that there's no walk in the park fight.
This fight will be like his warm up fight for a possible bigger match right after. There might still be a Casimero vs. Donaire or even Casimero vs. Naoya Inoue after this battle. So he should be prepared and come strong in this conditioning match.
Again, it really up to Casimero to still prepare hard and not underestimate Butler. He is the mandatory so for sure he is also very durable fighter as he made it to the number 1 contender category.
We did not hear words from Casimero regarding this fight, so that's uncharacteristic of him as he usually do trash-talks before the actual fight.
What could be the reason? a change of style?
Casimero is under a new promotion, so maybe that's the reason why the suddenly went quiet. And for sure he learn his lessons from the Donaire trash talk. So we can only speculate that maybe Casimero decided to just go low key on this one and focus more on his training against Butler.
And if he won, then he can call out Inoue again. The Donaire clash is easy to make, no need to trash talk him again. But for sure, we can't kept Casimero's mouth sooner or later he will resurface again on his social media with his latest antics.
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