[Boxing] Tank Davis vs. Ryan Garcia betting and discussion (May, 2023) - page 50.

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Quote from: o48o on November 24, 2022, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 17, 2022, 08:11:33 PM

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That means that oddsmakers think there is 64% chance of Davis winning while giving Garcia a 36% chance.

I will agree with these odds and bet for Tank.

Compared to Garcia, his combos and movement seem way more composed and technical, and being a southpaw doesn't hurt his changes. While Garcia seem to rely on his natural unpolished talent, and just raw aggressive fast style, using surprisingly quick and powerful attacks even as a defence. Even though those look clumsy compared to Tank, he seem to get ton of power under them somehow.

My guess is that Garcia's style of defence won't work agaisnt technically skilled combos by Tank. Garcia's aggressive style is intimidating but very much defeatable and while his height and reach seem to do add to that and give him confidence, it's all appearances and something that can be taken away fast.

If we are going to be in the technical side, I will say that Tank is more polished, but if we are talking about raw talent, Garcia could be the man here. So it's close but yeah, if the odd markers are going for Tank at 64% then could be true.

Nevertheless, Garcia has been asking for this fight years ago and in several interviews, prior to this one that he will going to beat and knock Tank Davis out. So let's see if that confidence of his will be enough when they face in the ring because he will be the underdog.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 24, 2022, 04:42:53 PM

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2022, 12:17:29 PM

Not sure if his particular statement can be considered as boasting because Tank Davis is really not that easy to defeat and defeating him by a KO is definitely a difficult task to pull off. I know that Ryan Garcia is a KO artist but that alone won't be an advantage in his favor because Tank Davis is also a KO artist and in fact, the latter got more chances than him.

Well, about the Ryan's capability, he can surely have the skill set to defeat Davis and so does the latter too. This fight will be determined if whoever catches the right timing first to pull that KO punch that will turn the tables to their favor.

So far, Davis would be one of the strongest opponents of Garcia that he has to face with.
This is why, this match if with proper marketing, they can really attract a lot of boxing fans to pay for this fight.
I also believe that Garcia will be the underdog here, though the gap of odds may not be far from each other.
This will tell us what is the caliber now of Garcia in this sports. Is he ready to face high profile boxers in his division?

I think it already created a hype for casual boxing fans as well, Garcia, good looking, has the social media presence, been calling Davis for so long now. For sure when this news broke out, everything is really looking for this big fan at 135 lbs or catch weight.

Might be with proper marketing, this could be one of the biggest fight in 2023. Two young fighters, who seems to be really hating each other. So there will be a lot of trash talking and bad mouthing between this two when they promote this fight.

Good marketing = to big ticket sales and PPV. I see your point as both are keep chasing with each other around social media and those fans who love seeing them inside the ring will surely buy tickets.

More on publicity, any trash talks that came from one fighter will be followed and will have reactions from their respective fans. For sure, there are fans that will try to add up to make it more discussable.

waiting for next year if these fights will proceed..

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on November 17, 2022, 08:11:33 PM

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That means that oddsmakers think there is 64% chance of Davis winning while giving Garcia a 36% chance.

I will agree with these odds and bet for Tank.

Compared to Garcia, his combos and movement seem way more composed and technical, and being a southpaw doesn't hurt his changes. While Garcia seem to rely on his natural unpolished talent, and just raw aggressive fast style, using surprisingly quick and powerful attacks even as a defence. Even though those look clumsy compared to Tank, he seem to get ton of power under them somehow.

My guess is that Garcia's style of defence won't work agaisnt technically skilled combos by Tank. Garcia's aggressive style is intimidating but very much defeatable and while his height and reach seem to do add to that and give him confidence, it's all appearances and something that can be taken away fast.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 24, 2022, 01:14:49 PM

Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2022, 12:17:29 PM

Not sure if his particular statement can be considered as boasting because Tank Davis is really not that easy to defeat and defeating him by a KO is definitely a difficult task to pull off. I know that Ryan Garcia is a KO artist but that alone won't be an advantage in his favor because Tank Davis is also a KO artist and in fact, the latter got more chances than him.

Well, about the Ryan's capability, he can surely have the skill set to defeat Davis and so does the latter too. This fight will be determined if whoever catches the right timing first to pull that KO punch that will turn the tables to their favor.

So far, Davis would be one of the strongest opponents of Garcia that he has to face with.
This is why, this match if with proper marketing, they can really attract a lot of boxing fans to pay for this fight.
I also believe that Garcia will be the underdog here, though the gap of odds may not be far from each other.
This will tell us what is the caliber now of Garcia in this sports. Is he ready to face high profile boxers in his division?

I think it already created a hype for casual boxing fans as well, Garcia, good looking, has the social media presence, been calling Davis for so long now. For sure when this news broke out, everything is really looking for this big fan at 135 lbs or catch weight.

Might be with proper marketing, this could be one of the biggest fight in 2023. Two young fighters, who seems to be really hating each other. So there will be a lot of trash talking and bad mouthing between this two when they promote this fight.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2022, 12:17:29 PM

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

Not sure if his particular statement can be considered as boasting because Tank Davis is really not that easy to defeat and defeating him by a KO is definitely a difficult task to pull off. I know that Ryan Garcia is a KO artist but that alone won't be an advantage in his favor because Tank Davis is also a KO artist and in fact, the latter got more chances than him.

It is sure boasting, and at the same time boosting or hyping the fight to get people's interest. I think Ryan is capable of knocking his opponent, we had seen it already but the thing is, is Ryan Garcia capable of landing those hard punches? We all know Davis is a slick fighter. He has good lateral movement, fast reflexes and stingy punches especially his upper cut. I think once Davis got on the right position for his favorite uppercut, Ryan Garcia's unblemished career would end.

Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2022, 12:17:29 PM

Well, about the Ryan's capability, he can surely have the skill set to defeat Davis and so does the latter too. This fight will be determined if whoever catches the right timing first to pull that KO punch that will turn the tables to their favor.

Yeah, they are both capable boxers, but Davis has more experience and knows how to tackle taller boxers.

Quote from: Kemarit on November 24, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

That is the keyword there, play "smart" against Davis, meaning he has to used all the physical advantage that he had, like height and reach and make it very hard for Davis to come inside because that's how Davis knocking out his opponent out, getting closer and then boom, quick punch, end of the fight.

So Ryan should make the fight in the middle of the ring as well, then uses his jab more often to let Davis feel it and make him uncomfortable. And as the saying goes, style makes fight and this one is one classic example of it.

but the thing is, can Garcia keep Davis at bay? Davis is a quick fighter, so I believe he can easily close in while evading Garcia's punches. Once Davis is inside, I think Garcia would be a sitting duck since the close quarter is where the the longer reach become disadvantage.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 24, 2022, 07:47:27 AM

Hype is necessary in order to sell the fight, so it's not something new, they can throw trash-talk against each other and that's just normal.

Yes you are right that mate it's obvious that Davis will be the more favorite in this fight because he is the champion and Garcia will be the underdog but for me Davis will win in this match as we all know how he fight and also he is is undefeated in right now so it's a big advantage for him to win in fight as he can defeat Garcia easily by his power and good strategy.

Obviously we are thinking that Davis is favorite and more likely to be the winner of this match. But we should not underestimate Ryan Garcia for he has proven himself to his previous opponents. Besides his height and reach advantage (Ryan Garcia) is huge which can be the key factor in Ryan winning the fight. Look at the height difference, a 10 cm difference , (168cm Davis, 178cm Garcia), and the 3 cm reach difference (175cm Davis, 178 cm Ryan) is enough for Ryan to execute his outside fighting style. If Davis is unable to fend off the jobs, straight and hooked of Ryan Garcia, and if Ryan maintains the distance between them, we might see Davis kissing the canvas if ever Davis can't absorb strong punches of Ryan.

Ryan Garcia talking about Davis's unable to reach him makes sense because of his reach and height advantage and if Ryan plays it smart of keeping Davis at bay with his job and straight punches together with his footwork and lateral movements.

That is the keyword there, play "smart" against Davis, meaning he has to used all the physical advantage that he had, like height and reach and make it very hard for Davis to come inside because that's how Davis knocking out his opponent out, getting closer and then boom, quick punch, end of the fight.

So Ryan should make the fight in the middle of the ring as well, then uses his jab more often to let Davis feel it and make him uncomfortable. And as the saying goes, style makes fight and this one is one classic example of it.

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Quote from: mirakal on November 24, 2022, 12:17:29 PM

Not sure if his particular statement can be considered as boasting because Tank Davis is really not that easy to defeat and defeating him by a KO is definitely a difficult task to pull off. I know that Ryan Garcia is a KO artist but that alone won't be an advantage in his favor because Tank Davis is also a KO artist and in fact, the latter got more chances than him.

Well, about the Ryan's capability, he can surely have the skill set to defeat Davis and so does the latter too. This fight will be determined if whoever catches the right timing first to pull that KO punch that will turn the tables to their favor.

So far, Davis would be one of the strongest opponents of Garcia that he has to face with.
This is why, this match if with proper marketing, they can really attract a lot of boxing fans to pay for this fight.
I also believe that Garcia will be the underdog here, though the gap of odds may not be far from each other.
This will tell us what is the caliber now of Garcia in this sports. Is he ready to face high profile boxers in his division?

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Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

Not sure if his particular statement can be considered as boasting because Tank Davis is really not that easy to defeat and defeating him by a KO is definitely a difficult task to pull off. I know that Ryan Garcia is a KO artist but that alone won't be an advantage in his favor because Tank Davis is also a KO artist and in fact, the latter got more chances than him.

Well, about the Ryan's capability, he can surely have the skill set to defeat Davis and so does the latter too. This fight will be determined if whoever catches the right timing first to pull that KO punch that will turn the tables to their favor.

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Quote from: Natalim on November 24, 2022, 07:47:27 AM

Hype is necessary in order to sell the fight, so it's not something new, they can throw trash-talk against each other and that's just normal.

Yes you are right that mate it's obvious that Davis will be the more favorite in this fight because he is the champion and Garcia will be the underdog but for me Davis will win in this match as we all know how he fight and also he is is undefeated in right now so it's a big advantage for him to win in fight as he can defeat Garcia easily by his power and good strategy.

Obviously we are thinking that Davis is favorite and more likely to be the winner of this match. But we should not underestimate Ryan Garcia for he has proven himself to his previous opponents. Besides his height and reach advantage (Ryan Garcia) is huge which can be the key factor in Ryan winning the fight. Look at the height difference, a 10 cm difference , (168cm Davis, 178cm Garcia), and the 3 cm reach difference (175cm Davis, 178 cm Ryan) is enough for Ryan to execute his outside fighting style. If Davis is unable to fend off the jobs, straight and hooked of Ryan Garcia, and if Ryan maintains the distance between them, we might see Davis kissing the canvas if ever Davis can't absorb strong punches of Ryan.

Ryan Garcia talking about Davis's unable to reach him makes sense because of his reach and height advantage and if Ryan plays it smart of keeping Davis at bay with his job and straight punches together with his footwork and lateral movements.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

I do think that he is more capable of knocking out anyone not only Davis and he has proven that as well. He has a very quick left hook, for sure you will see a lot of highlights from Ryan Garcia in youtube with that power.

He can KO Davis if he can hurt him, thing is, Davis will not be a champion if he is not a great fighter, and at the same time he will not be undefeated if he is not good. Also, if you look at the betting odds, Davis is the heavy favorite, so in the eyes of the bettors, he is the better fighter.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

It's obvious that he is trying to hype the fight right now, we know how he is really attach to his fans in his social media, so he is good at really hyping any fight of his when he open his mouth.

Hype is necessary in order to sell the fight, so it's not something new, they can throw trash-talk against each other and that's just normal.

Yes you are right that mate it's obvious that Davis will be the more favorite in this fight because he is the champion and Garcia will be the underdog but for me Davis will win in this match as we all know how he fight and also he is is undefeated in right now so it's a big advantage for him to win in fight as he can defeat Garcia easily by his power and good strategy.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 24, 2022, 07:21:24 AM

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

I do think that he is more capable of knocking out anyone not only Davis and he has proven that as well. He has a very quick left hook, for sure you will see a lot of highlights from Ryan Garcia in youtube with that power.

He can KO Davis if he can hurt him, thing is, Davis will not be a champion if he is not a great fighter, and at the same time he will not be undefeated if he is not good. Also, if you look at the betting odds, Davis is the heavy favorite, so in the eyes of the bettors, he is the better fighter.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

It's obvious that he is trying to hype the fight right now, we know how he is really attach to his fans in his social media, so he is good at really hyping any fight of his when he open his mouth.

Hype is necessary in order to sell the fight, so it's not something new, they can throw trash-talk against each other and that's just normal.

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Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

I do think that he is more capable of knocking out anyone not only Davis and he has proven that as well. He has a very quick left hook, for sure you will see a lot of highlights from Ryan Garcia in youtube with that power.

Quote from: Botnake on November 24, 2022, 04:14:37 AM

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

It's obvious that he is trying to hype the fight right now, we know how he is really attach to his fans in his social media, so he is good at really hyping any fight of his when he open his mouth.

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Garcia in an interview said that he will knock out Davis, he is going to do that early but if that will not happen this fight is going to be a slugfest. What do you think about his statement? is he really capable of Knocking an undefeated Tank Davis?

We all know that Ryan Garcia is the underdog here, what's he trying to do, does he wants to be the favorite on this fight by convincing people he can KO Davis?

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Quote from: cabron on November 20, 2022, 12:57:38 PM

Maybe it's true. Ryan has been ducking Davis for some time but now we can see him claiming it was Davis that he was chasing which Davis was ducking. I can't see Davis being afraid of this guy.

Almost always, ducking just means their teams can't agree on terms. I don't think many fighters are scared of fighting another fighter. It's the promotions behind them that doesn't want to see their cash cow lose, so they're hesitant unless the money is there. Garcia is also probably one of the most exciting prospects before his break, so yeah they're going to protect him a little more in fear of derailing the hype train. I do doubt that Garcia himself was the one preventing this fight from happening, most fighters just love to fight, and they'll pretty much fight anyone out there.

Having said that, I actually think Garcia can get this done in style.

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Quote from: Jating on November 20, 2022, 08:49:55 PM

For the record though, Davis doesn't have the regular belts, all the belts in with Haney. So whatever belt that will be put in line, it's nothing. This fight is probably for the money, these 2 are superstars in this division, the cash cow, not Haney, not Loma. And that is why fans are already hype as early when they hear the news that finally this fight is going to happen next year.

No, I'd like to correct you with that. Davis's WBA belt is different from Haney's WBA belt, it's two different titles.

WBA have 2 Champions:
1x for Davis for the Regular belt
1x for Haney for the Super World championship belt

Which explains why Haney's belt is the WBA Super World Light while Davis got the WBA World Light.
Davis fought that belt with Gamboa when it was vacated last 2019.

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Quote from: yazher on November 20, 2022, 08:39:44 AM

There is no doubt that this fight is one of the most exciting fights next year but why they are taking too long to prepare for this one? I mean, it's more than 6 months of preparation, are they not gonna fight one or two more fights after that? This is not really recommended because injuries can happen in practice and training and it might lead to postponing or changing the boxer who is supposed to fight them.

Long preparation means a better chance for them to be 100% during the fight. This is a big fight so it deserves a long preparation, and although it's hard to predict who will win for sure we can expect that this fight is going to be a very exciting one. I would be surprise if there will be no knockdowns in this fight.

Me, I'm expecting a knockout here, both are aggressive and they will really test each other in throwing solid combinations,
It's the executions that will make one of them win the fight.

Yeah, long preparation will give both fighters enough time to review all the tapes that they need to observe and assess if
how the opponents will possibly create their strategy.

It will be a very interesting fought as these two are really calling each other and really wanted to test their respective capabilities.

Good point, both of them are aggressive but I'm more inclined that this will be a close scoring fight because both of them have good resistance with it comes to heavy punches and as long as they can guard themselves from those flashy punches they will give, then we might see a unanimous decision here. Although, I'm seeing that Gervonta Davis got the upper hand because of his experience and he's defense is quite good too. Nonetheless, I'm already excited about this as this is no doubt a good fight to see.

Yup, both need to prepare for their counter and most with their defense, both are known to be a heavy puncher and have solid combinations
and that killer instinct when they have the chance to throw and box their opponents.

It's really interesting if what adjustments they will come up and show to their fans, maybe in terms of upper hands Davis got that advantage
but we never know if how Garcia will prepare and upset still possible as always.

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I thought that Ryan Garcia will not get a tune up match, but he said in his twitter account that he will also be fighting in January in preparation for a Davis mega fight,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1594140891035205632

Still unnamed opponent though, but we should expect that it will be a less risk fight. And just like Tank, it will be against a B-level fighter.

This is a good preparation for his upcoming big match, just like Davis.
Garcia can’t afford to lose here so he should not be complacent and focus on his trainings and be more heathy, Davis will be his one of the hardest opponent which might put him on a risk of losing. Waiting for the details of this up coming tune up match, let’s see if this is a good one as well.

He also needs a tune fight his last fight was in July of this year and if the fight is going to happen in May, that's 9 months of hiatus and it will affect his conditioning going into the fight, I just hope no untoward incident or surprise that will come out that will delay this matchup, the worst thing that could happen is one of them becomes a victim of upset if this happens there will be a huge change of plan and direction on careers on whoever becomes a victim of the upset.

So both are having a tune up fight, so it seems that this fight is already on schedule. And maybe this is one clause included in their contract that they will have a fight prior to facing each other. It will be advantageous though, as you have said that this top boxers needed at least 2 fights in a year to keep them in top shape.

If not then they could be in a ring rust situation, wherein it will take some rounds before the fighter was able to get back to his old self. Let's just wait who will be Ryan's opponent and for sure they will cherry pick an easy opponent.

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Quote from: yazher on November 20, 2022, 08:39:44 AM

There is no doubt that this fight is one of the most exciting fights next year but why they are taking too long to prepare for this one? I mean, it's more than 6 months of preparation, are they not gonna fight one or two more fights after that? This is not really recommended because injuries can happen in practice and training and it might lead to postponing or changing the boxer who is supposed to fight them.

Long preparation means a better chance for them to be 100% during the fight. This is a big fight so it deserves a long preparation, and although it's hard to predict who will win for sure we can expect that this fight is going to be a very exciting one. I would be surprise if there will be no knockdowns in this fight.

Me, I'm expecting a knockout here, both are aggressive and they will really test each other in throwing solid combinations,
It's the executions that will make one of them win the fight.

Yeah, long preparation will give both fighters enough time to review all the tapes that they need to observe and assess if
how the opponents will possibly create their strategy.

It will be a very interesting fought as these two are really calling each other and really wanted to test their respective capabilities.

Good point, both of them are aggressive but I'm more inclined that this will be a close scoring fight because both of them have good resistance with it comes to heavy punches and as long as they can guard themselves from those flashy punches they will give, then we might see a unanimous decision here. Although, I'm seeing that Gervonta Davis got the upper hand because of his experience and he's defense is quite good too. Nonetheless, I'm already excited about this as this is no doubt a good fight to see.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 21, 2022, 05:24:30 PM

I thought that Ryan Garcia will not get a tune up match, but he said in his twitter account that he will also be fighting in January in preparation for a Davis mega fight,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1594140891035205632

Still unnamed opponent though, but we should expect that it will be a less risk fight. And just like Tank, it will be against a B-level fighter.

This is a good preparation for his upcoming big match, just like Davis.
Garcia can’t afford to lose here so he should not be complacent and focus on his trainings and be more heathy, Davis will be his one of the hardest opponent which might put him on a risk of losing. Waiting for the details of this up coming tune up match, let’s see if this is a good one as well.

He also needs a tune fight his last fight was in July of this year and if the fight is going to happen in May, that's 9 months of hiatus and it will affect his conditioning going into the fight, I just hope no untoward incident or surprise that will come out that will delay this matchup, the worst thing that could happen is one of them becomes a victim of upset if this happens there will be a huge change of plan and direction on careers on whoever becomes a victim of the upset.

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Quote from: Baofeng on November 21, 2022, 05:24:30 PM

I thought that Ryan Garcia will not get a tune up match, but he said in his twitter account that he will also be fighting in January in preparation for a Davis mega fight,

https://twitter.com/RyanGarcia/status/1594140891035205632

Still unnamed opponent though, but we should expect that it will be a less risk fight. And just like Tank, it will be against a B-level fighter.

This is a good preparation for his upcoming big match, just like Davis.
Garcia can’t afford to lose here so he should not be complacent and focus on his trainings and be more heathy, Davis will be his one of the hardest opponent which might put him on a risk of losing. Waiting for the details of this up coming tune up match, let’s see if this is a good one as well.

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