[Boxing]: Thurman vs Barrios - Feb 5 - page 9.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 27, 2022, 04:47:58 PM

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Quote from: Smartprofit on January 27, 2022, 11:07:57 AM

Mario Barris will have to put on weight for this fight. For any athlete, this is a very difficult test. He may partially lose such qualities as agility and maneuverability.

But the main thing is not the physical form. The main thing is the will to win. I have a feeling that Keith Thurman believes more in his victory than Mario.

Perhaps Mario is still painfully experiencing his defeat in the battle with Davis.

In my opinion, Keith Thurman has a better chance of winning this fight.

I dont have doubts on physical form of Barrios but that wont really be enough on beating up Thurman basing up with statistics/experience/technical fighter then i dont really believe
that he would able to beat out Thurman but we know that this guy could really have that chance and this would really be a test of will and endurance and some luck
on giving out some unexpected blows which might really able for him to win but well its just all in chances and lets see if it could really push through.

Proving he can win is something that he has to do, his record is nothing if he cannot beat Thurman who is a previous champion in Welterweight division, it could be his biggest challenge in his boxing career but not for Thurman, so in terms of confidence, I got Thurman here ready to teach Barrios some lessons.

Easier said than done, Thurman maybe the popular boxer here but Barrios record is quite decent as well, he is more active than Thurman and they both are coming from a loss, so both of them are probably training hard to be in the winning track again which makes the fight more explosive. You know what, I'm gonna be expecting a KO here so I will definitely put a bet on per round or round ranges KO which I think has a very attractive odds.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on January 27, 2022, 11:07:57 AM

Mario Barris will have to put on weight for this fight. For any athlete, this is a very difficult test. He may partially lose such qualities as agility and maneuverability.

But the main thing is not the physical form. The main thing is the will to win. I have a feeling that Keith Thurman believes more in his victory than Mario.

Perhaps Mario is still painfully experiencing his defeat in the battle with Davis.

In my opinion, Keith Thurman has a better chance of winning this fight.

I dont have doubts on physical form of Barrios but that wont really be enough on beating up Thurman basing up with statistics/experience/technical fighter then i dont really believe
that he would able to beat out Thurman but we know that this guy could really have that chance and this would really be a test of will and endurance and some luck
on giving out some unexpected blows which might really able for him to win but well its just all in chances and lets see if it could really push through.

Proving he can win is something that he has to do, his record is nothing if he cannot beat Thurman who is a previous champion in Welterweight division, it could be his biggest challenge in his boxing career but not for Thurman, so in terms of confidence, I got Thurman here ready to teach Barrios some lessons.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on January 27, 2022, 11:07:57 AM

Mario Barris will have to put on weight for this fight. For any athlete, this is a very difficult test. He may partially lose such qualities as agility and maneuverability.

But the main thing is not the physical form. The main thing is the will to win. I have a feeling that Keith Thurman believes more in his victory than Mario.

Perhaps Mario is still painfully experiencing his defeat in the battle with Davis.

In my opinion, Keith Thurman has a better chance of winning this fight.

I dont have doubts on physical form of Barrios but that wont really be enough on beating up Thurman basing up with statistics/experience/technical fighter then i dont really believe
that he would able to beat out Thurman but we know that this guy could really have that chance and this would really be a test of will and endurance and some luck
on giving out some unexpected blows which might really able for him to win but well its just all in chances and lets see if it could really push through.

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Mario Barris will have to put on weight for this fight. For any athlete, this is a very difficult test. He may partially lose such qualities as agility and maneuverability.

But the main thing is not the physical form. The main thing is the will to win. I have a feeling that Keith Thurman believes more in his victory than Mario.

Perhaps Mario is still painfully experiencing his defeat in the battle with Davis.

In my opinion, Keith Thurman has a better chance of winning this fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 26, 2022, 09:09:07 PM

Thurman learned his lesson from Pacman, if we compared Barrios to Pacman there's a huge difference in terms of throwing and converting quick punches, Thurman just need to work it out and think that he's going to face another Pacman to inspire him to prepare more, he almost win that fight, he just didn't throw the towel but tried to come back but again, the early knockdown weight the most in that fight.

Maybe if he didn't commit that, the decision might be harder for the judges..

Thurman needs this win to hype his career and to have a possible title fight before retiring.. Roll Eyes

yep, it's true that he once fought pacquiao and only narrowly lost to him and of course this will be a pretty good capital for thurman I think.
Barrios has strength far below Pacquiao and this is an advantage that Thurman really needs to take advantage of.
Thurman's endurance is quite good and his momentum reading ability is also very good so I think this will benefit him in this fight.

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Quote from: yazher on January 27, 2022, 08:00:05 AM

Quote from: Rufsilf on January 27, 2022, 04:15:51 AM

Exactly, Keith Thurman isn't that good anymore, we can really see the way how he move in his last fight against Manny Pacquiao, he's slowly decaying and the fact the haven't got a fight since 2019 will be his disadvantage in the ring unlike Mario Barrios who had professional fights every year since his debut on 2013. Aside from that fact, Barrios has the upper hand here in this fight also the reach.
Either way, seems like Thurman is just chasing the money in this business and trying to use his name even if the lose or win.

We can see if they really put some huge effort into their training when they step in the ring because if they show the same moves and skills as their last fights, that will be their big mistake because their opponent can easily predict where they going and how to counter their moves. No matter how experienced both of them are in the ring, if they only show the same style, the match would end early. I still wanted to see Thurman fight after this though he cannot assure to win this one. I'm sure that if he wins this fight somehow, will give himself some boost of confidence to take on another championship fight.

Being a fighter they already know that if they use the same strategy or moves to their respective last fight for sure they have 50-50% chances of winning cause if they do that the opponent their opponent can study their moves and make some counter moves to defeat them. For sure these two fighters will make a new moves in order to surprise each other. If that gonna happens this fight is more interesting To watch.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 26, 2022, 05:17:07 PM

Mostly, the popular boxer will get the better odds or the favorite to win the fight, in this fight, we know who is the popular boxer although no one of the two is a champion. We stick with what we think and bet on the boxer we believe will get a win on this fight. Thurman has been so successful in the past (less Pacman fight), so I think he is still on his prime and could still win a battle.

I agree, especially with this division like what I have said the trainings and drills to condition his body is not hard for him to achieved,

temporary absence but for sure he still doing some daily routine to make sure that his body is still fit and once this kind of opportunities

knocks, he's willing and ready to take another shot.

The only thing right now is the assumptions of every fan. We can point out our opinions, but the outcome still depends when the fight takes place.

No one could really ascertain the result of this fight, whether it could be Thurman or Barrios will come out as a winner, but knowing how aggressive boh fighters are, I like to expect that we will see a great fight where no one will back down until the end, however, we have our own choice and as for me, it's always Thurman from the start.

But we are certain if we place our bet, we have our own prediction and we are confident that we will win, that's what gambling is, we don't think of losing that's why sometimes if we lose we cannot accept the result. This fight, win or lose, my bet will go to Thurman as well.

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Quote from: Rufsilf on January 27, 2022, 04:15:51 AM

Exactly, Keith Thurman isn't that good anymore, we can really see the way how he move in his last fight against Manny Pacquiao, he's slowly decaying and the fact the haven't got a fight since 2019 will be his disadvantage in the ring unlike Mario Barrios who had professional fights every year since his debut on 2013. Aside from that fact, Barrios has the upper hand here in this fight also the reach.
Either way, seems like Thurman is just chasing the money in this business and trying to use his name even if the lose or win.

We can see if they really put some huge effort into their training when they step in the ring because if they show the same moves and skills as their last fights, that will be their big mistake because their opponent can easily predict where they going and how to counter their moves. No matter how experienced both of them are in the ring, if they only show the same style, the match would end early. I still wanted to see Thurman fight after this though he cannot assure to win this one. I'm sure that if he wins this fight somehow, will give himself some boost of confidence to take on another championship fight.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 27, 2022, 07:17:29 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 26, 2022, 05:17:07 PM

Mostly, the popular boxer will get the better odds or the favorite to win the fight, in this fight, we know who is the popular boxer although no one of the two is a champion. We stick with what we think and bet on the boxer we believe will get a win on this fight. Thurman has been so successful in the past (less Pacman fight), so I think he is still on his prime and could still win a battle.

I agree, especially with this division like what I have said the trainings and drills to condition his body is not hard for him to achieved,

temporary absence but for sure he still doing some daily routine to make sure that his body is still fit and once this kind of opportunities

knocks, he's willing and ready to take another shot.

The only thing right now is the assumptions of every fan. We can point out our opinions, but the outcome still depends when the fight takes place.

No one could really ascertain the result of this fight, whether it could be Thurman or Barrios will come out as a winner, but knowing how aggressive boh fighters are, I like to expect that we will see a great fight where no one will back down until the end, however, we have our own choice and as for me, it's always Thurman from the start.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on January 26, 2022, 05:17:07 PM

Mostly, the popular boxer will get the better odds or the favorite to win the fight, in this fight, we know who is the popular boxer although no one of the two is a champion. We stick with what we think and bet on the boxer we believe will get a win on this fight. Thurman has been so successful in the past (less Pacman fight), so I think he is still on his prime and could still win a battle.

I agree, especially with this division like what I have said the trainings and drills to condition his body is not hard for him to achieved,

temporary absence but for sure he still doing some daily routine to make sure that his body is still fit and once this kind of opportunities

knocks, he's willing and ready to take another shot.

The only thing right now is the assumptions of every fan. We can point out our opinions, but the outcome still depends when the fight takes place.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 26, 2022, 11:14:39 PM

Both of these fighters are coming from the only loss of their exciting boxing careers but I think Keith Thurman is already losing his old boxing prowess. Even during his match against Manny Pacquiao, Thurman is noticeably not his old self anymore. He is also not anymore as busy as a fighter for the past years. This will have an effect to his boxing skills. He must already be rusty as a boxer. So I will give my prediction to Barrios winning this match.

Exactly, Keith Thurman isn't that good anymore, we can really see the way how he move in his last fight against Manny Pacquiao, he's slowly decaying and the fact the haven't got a fight since 2019 will be his disadvantage in the ring unlike Mario Barrios who had professional fights every year since his debut on 2013. Aside from that fact, Barrios has the upper hand here in this fight also the reach.
Either way, seems like Thurman is just chasing the money in this business and trying to use his name even if the lose or win.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 26, 2022, 11:14:39 PM

Both of these fighters are coming from the only loss of their exciting boxing careers but I think Keith Thurman is already losing his old boxing prowess. Even during his match against Manny Pacquiao, Thurman is noticeably not his old self anymore. He is also not anymore as busy as a fighter for the past years. This will have an effect to his boxing skills. He must already be rusty as a boxer. So I will give my prediction to Barrios winning this match.

Yes, because that is the second fight of Thurman coming from an injury. He fought Josesito Lopez for him comeback and it's a hard fought match. And many observers says that Thurman is not his former self and that's why Manny wanted him. And we all know that Manny knock his ass out and then was weaken in the body shots. So maybe that is what Barrios camp is also seeing, that Thurman is no longer in his old self anymore and who knows, maybe they are right again.

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Both of these fighters are coming from the only loss of their exciting boxing careers but I think Keith Thurman is already losing his old boxing prowess. Even during his match against Manny Pacquiao, Thurman is noticeably not his old self anymore. He is also not anymore as busy as a fighter for the past years. This will have an effect to his boxing skills. He must already be rusty as a boxer. So I will give my prediction to Barrios winning this match.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 26, 2022, 02:31:47 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 26, 2022, 08:53:43 AM

^^ Barrios may have power in 140 lbs, but it is not tested on 147 lbs yet and the other way around, what if a true welterweight with power like Thurman hits him in the first time? What will be his reaction then?

So a lot of questions in this fight really, a lot of speculations. However, for us who have been following boxing for so long, we are somewhat going to favor Thurman over Barrios and I personally is thinking that it is possible for Thurman to score a knock out.

Yes they are the same have a power punch that can knock out their opponents but we will saw all the statistics of the fighter then we can say that this fighter has a chance to this match.
Barrios had a speed that can hit thurman in any sides any time but for sure thurman had a plan for that and he can do anything to avoid hitting by barriers.

Thurman learned his lesson from Pacman, if we compared Barrios to Pacman there's a huge difference in terms of throwing and converting quick punches, Thurman just need to work it out and think that he's going to face another Pacman to inspire him to prepare more, he almost win that fight, he just didn't throw the towel but tried to come back but again, the early knockdown weight the most in that fight.

Maybe if he didn't commit that, the decision might be harder for the judges..

Thurman needs this win to hype his career and to have a possible title fight before retiring.. Roll Eyes

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Everyone is on Thurman to win, I wonder how much money the bookies would make if the result will be the opposite. Most of us know Thurman because he fought Pacman, so probably we are underestimating his opponent who is younger than him and also only has one loss in his career.

What the bookies do in the case there is a very heavy favorite is to begin to offer huge odds for the other party so people feel more compelled to make a bet for them, however this can play against them as it was in the case of the first Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz won and the casinos lost a lot of money as they were giving him huge odds, however most of the time this is not what happens, so even if they have an event in which they lose money they can easily recover it with the rest of the events they offer to their customers.

Bookies use some algorithm, they balance the odds very well so there's money on both sides of the bets. If you see some odds changes, that means they are just trying to balance something, so if you are smart and you bet early and later the odds changes on your favor, that's a good sign that you were able to get a good value the time you put your bet.

I think casinos call that balancing the books or something like that, however while in theory the perfect scenario for a casino is to win as much money with each side of a bet sometimes this is not realistic. so as long as they win some with each bet that is more than enough for them, however as a said there are circumstances that sometimes do not allow them to do this, as it is the case when there is a very clear favorite, most of the time they will still earn money if the favorite wins, but in the case this does not happen that is when they can sustain some losses, as it was in the example I gave on my previous post.

That's it, they balance the odds based on the money that is coming in, if one side is heavily pounded by bets, then most likely the odds will move and that could happen especially if at the start the odds are not properly evaluated by the bookmakers before it's displayed available or if something significant happen to either of the fighter like injury, or anything related to it.

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Everyone is on Thurman to win, I wonder how much money the bookies would make if the result will be the opposite. Most of us know Thurman because he fought Pacman, so probably we are underestimating his opponent who is younger than him and also only has one loss in his career.

What the bookies do in the case there is a very heavy favorite is to begin to offer huge odds for the other party so people feel more compelled to make a bet for them, however this can play against them as it was in the case of the first Ruiz vs Joshua fight in which Ruiz won and the casinos lost a lot of money as they were giving him huge odds, however most of the time this is not what happens, so even if they have an event in which they lose money they can easily recover it with the rest of the events they offer to their customers.

Bookies use some algorithm, they balance the odds very well so there's money on both sides of the bets. If you see some odds changes, that means they are just trying to balance something, so if you are smart and you bet early and later the odds changes on your favor, that's a good sign that you were able to get a good value the time you put your bet.

I think casinos call that balancing the books or something like that, however while in theory the perfect scenario for a casino is to win as much money with each side of a bet sometimes this is not realistic. so as long as they win some with each bet that is more than enough for them, however as a said there are circumstances that sometimes do not allow them to do this, as it is the case when there is a very clear favorite, most of the time they will still earn money if the favorite wins, but in the case this does not happen that is when they can sustain some losses, as it was in the example I gave on my previous post.

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Quote from: carlisle1 on January 26, 2022, 12:14:32 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 26, 2022, 08:53:43 AM

^^ Barrios may have power in 140 lbs, but it is not tested on 147 lbs yet and the other way around, what if a true welterweight with power like Thurman hits him in the first time? What will be his reaction then?

So a lot of questions in this fight really, a lot of speculations. However, for us who have been following boxing for so long, we are somewhat going to favor Thurman over Barrios and I personally is thinking that it is possible for Thurman to score a knock out.

He's more capable the trainings and drills are all designed for this division, it's easier for him to condition his body,

while with Barrios, this was something that every fighter wanted to achieve, climb up and make a name to increase his popularities

and take more money fight if in case upset happened in this fight.

Too early but like what most of us here, favor to Thurman is really something that not just bookies but bettors will be eyeing and

gamble with their money.

Mostly, the popular boxer will get the better odds or the favorite to win the fight, in this fight, we know who is the popular boxer although no one of the two is a champion. We stick with what we think and bet on the boxer we believe will get a win on this fight. Thurman has been so successful in the past (less Pacman fight), so I think he is still on his prime and could still win a battle.

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Quote from: Shamm on January 26, 2022, 02:31:47 PM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 26, 2022, 08:53:43 AM

^^ Barrios may have power in 140 lbs, but it is not tested on 147 lbs yet and the other way around, what if a true welterweight with power like Thurman hits him in the first time? What will be his reaction then?

So a lot of questions in this fight really, a lot of speculations. However, for us who have been following boxing for so long, we are somewhat going to favor Thurman over Barrios and I personally is thinking that it is possible for Thurman to score a knock out.

Yes they are the same have a power punch that can knock out their opponents but we will saw all the statistics of the fighter then we can say that this fighter has a chance to this match.
Barrios had a speed that can hit thurman in any sides any time but for sure thurman had a plan for that and he can do anything to avoid hitting by barriers.

That speed is important when Fighting Thurman because the latter is very smart, Manny uses that strategy to him so Thurman loses the fight. We have to notice as well that Thurman has a strong body, although he was knockdown early in the fight he was able to get up, now that he is fully healed, I can see it will not be an easy job for Barrios to beat him.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 26, 2022, 08:53:43 AM

^^ Barrios may have power in 140 lbs, but it is not tested on 147 lbs yet and the other way around, what if a true welterweight with power like Thurman hits him in the first time? What will be his reaction then?

So a lot of questions in this fight really, a lot of speculations. However, for us who have been following boxing for so long, we are somewhat going to favor Thurman over Barrios and I personally is thinking that it is possible for Thurman to score a knock out.

Yes they are the same have a power punch that can knock out their opponents but we will saw all the statistics of the fighter then we can say that this fighter has a chance to this match.
Barrios had a speed that can hit thurman in any sides any time but for sure thurman had a plan for that and he can do anything to avoid hitting by barriers.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on January 26, 2022, 08:53:43 AM

^^ Barrios may have power in 140 lbs, but it is not tested on 147 lbs yet and the other way around, what if a true welterweight with power like Thurman hits him in the first time? What will be his reaction then?

So a lot of questions in this fight really, a lot of speculations. However, for us who have been following boxing for so long, we are somewhat going to favor Thurman over Barrios and I personally is thinking that it is possible for Thurman to score a knock out.

He's more capable the trainings and drills are all designed for this division, it's easier for him to condition his body,

while with Barrios, this was something that every fighter wanted to achieve, climb up and make a name to increase his popularities

and take more money fight if in case upset happened in this fight.

Too early but like what most of us here, favor to Thurman is really something that not just bookies but bettors will be eyeing and

gamble with their money.

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