It was enjoyable posting in this thread and reading comments but I think it is probably time to lock this thread because the fight is over and we have all moved on. In the meantime, the press conference has ended for the Fury vs Usyk fight that is going to take place on 17th February 2024. Here is a link the thread, the discussion for that fight can take place there:
[ POLL ] The Unification Fight: FURY vs USYK 17th FEBRUARY 2024
Topic: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 (Read 4127 times)
Could you believe even though he lost by a split decision against Fury, WBC gave Ngannou a ranking he is now ranked 10th in their standing this only shows that the public and the boxing organization's perception that Ngannou won the fight and he should be given a recognition on the success of his transition from MMA to boxing.
I honestly believe that he deserves his ranking and he can beat experienced boxers like Andy Ruiz, or even Anthony Joshua, if he has a good handlers like Tyson.
Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou ranked by WBC after Tyson Fury loss
I honestly believe that he deserves his ranking and he can beat experienced boxers like Andy Ruiz, or even Anthony Joshua, if he has a good handlers like Tyson.
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The WBC took the rare decision to award a ranking to a boxer with no professional wins at their 2023 convention.
Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou ranked by WBC after Tyson Fury loss
I'm not surprised that the WBC gave Ngannou a ranking, that's what they also said to Jake Paul before, however, I'm not seeing Paul's ranking and perhaps they still wanted him to fight a good boxer to enter the rankings at least 15 as that's what they say.
But for Francis Ngannou, he has the hype the right base on his performance against Fury and we all know how corrupt WBC is with Sulaiman still on top. So let's see if they have validated their rankings and let Francis fight some of their rank boxers to get at least to Andy Ruiz or Joshua. Or if he is not ready to face higher rank boxers in WBC, maybe a Dillian Whyte or Dubois is also a good test for Francis Ngannou.
Could you believe even though he lost by a split decision against Fury, WBC gave Ngannou a ranking he is now ranked 10th in their standing this only shows that the public and the boxing organization's perception that Ngannou won the fight and he should be given a recognition on the success of his transition from MMA to boxing.
I honestly believe that he deserves his ranking and he can beat experienced boxers like Andy Ruiz, or even Anthony Joshua, if he has a good handlers like Tyson.
Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou ranked by WBC after Tyson Fury loss
I honestly believe that he deserves his ranking and he can beat experienced boxers like Andy Ruiz, or even Anthony Joshua, if he has a good handlers like Tyson.
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The WBC took the rare decision to award a ranking to a boxer with no professional wins at their 2023 convention.
Ex-UFC champ Francis Ngannou ranked by WBC after Tyson Fury loss
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
I keep saying it till this present day, Anthony Joshua remain my favorite fighter because of his tactis. Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou happens to be one of the best fights in October with thr vast majority watching live and some streaming it live. Tyson Fury still remain the Champs after he was knocked down by Francis Ngannou. Watched the game, the expected results was expected due to decision made by the judges, one can't expect them to blow against Tyson Fury, many called it robbing but it was definitely the ultimate objective for the panel to give. Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
Right, the judges decision is final, the only way that they can overturn a boxing result is that if the winner was caught using performance enhancing drugs and so the result could be turn in a NC, no contest. But I doubt that we can fight traces of drugs on Fury's system, heck we don't know if they have drug testing before the fight.
Ngannou may consider challenging other heavyweights to gain more experience in boxing and secure wins. This could help him become more comfortable in the ring and better prepared for a potential rematch with Fury, who is expected to train rigorously given their previous encounter.
I think that's what they are looking at, to have a rematch with Fury. But since there is no rematch clause in this fight because they think that Fury will win anyone, and an easy fight and no controversy, they didn't look at it. So for Francis to have that rematch fight, he needs to demand it to Fury and his camp. But they are busy because they will have a fight against Usyk for all the belts in the Heavyweight division. Francis could fight lesser opponents, maybe Zhang might be a good choice for him before going against the like of Fury or AJ or Wilder.
Well, the judges have to do their job properly. I have not come across one person in real life or online that has stated they believe Wilder won the first fight against Fury (which officially ended in a draw because very dubious scorecard judging) therefore everybody who is wondering how Fury won the fight, has a right to question it. I just cannot get over the 96/93 scorecard, there is no legitimate way I can think of that any judge could have scored the fight 96/93 in favour of Fury.
As for Ngannou, now is the chance for him to make more money and even try for a title fight because he is not getting younger. He is in great physical condition at the age of 37 but he needs to maximise his opportunity before the world simply forgets about him or time catches up with him.
As for Ngannou, now is the chance for him to make more money and even try for a title fight because he is not getting younger. He is in great physical condition at the age of 37 but he needs to maximise his opportunity before the world simply forgets about him or time catches up with him.
Judges are present to score the fight, and their decision is final. Even if some argue that Ngannou was robbed, the outcome cannot be changed; Fury won the fight, and that stands. If Ngannou's camp wishes to pursue a rematch, they can request it, but securing one won't be easy, especially since Fury has a scheduled fight ahead—likely the most significant one of his career.
Ngannou may consider challenging other heavyweights to gain more experience in boxing and secure wins. This could help him become more comfortable in the ring and better prepared for a potential rematch with Fury, who is expected to train rigorously given their previous encounter.
Ngannou may consider challenging other heavyweights to gain more experience in boxing and secure wins. This could help him become more comfortable in the ring and better prepared for a potential rematch with Fury, who is expected to train rigorously given their previous encounter.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
I keep saying it till this present day, Anthony Joshua remain my favorite fighter because of his tactis. Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou happens to be one of the best fights in October with thr vast majority watching live and some streaming it live. Tyson Fury still remain the Champs after he was knocked down by Francis Ngannou. Watched the game, the expected results was expected due to decision made by the judges, one can't expect them to blow against Tyson Fury, many called it robbing but it was definitely the ultimate objective for the panel to give. Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
Ngannou may consider challenging other heavyweights to gain more experience in boxing and secure wins. This could help him become more comfortable in the ring and better prepared for a potential rematch with Fury, who is expected to train rigorously given their previous encounter.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
I keep saying it till this present day, Anthony Joshua remain my favorite fighter because of his tactis. Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou happens to be one of the best fights in October with thr vast majority watching live and some streaming it live. Tyson Fury still remain the Champs after he was knocked down by Francis Ngannou. Watched the game, the expected results was expected due to decision made by the judges, one can't expect them to blow against Tyson Fury, many called it robbing but it was definitely the ultimate objective for the panel to give. Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
Maybe I saw different interview, but in mine Fury told that due to there were no videos of Ngannou real boxing fights, they did not know what to expect. All the knew Ngannou has speed and power. Not much to build tactics on. Well, if on October 28 we saw prepared Fury, who fully understood what to expect from Ngannou, then no doubt he would have huge troubles against Usyk. My offer if Fury should have a rematch was more addressed to those who say that Ngannou won 
But in general I would love to see fight against Usyk, then against Ngannou.
But in general I would love to see fight against Usyk, then against Ngannou.I was referring to this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTOFDVNzMM0 in which he said both, that he came prepared and didn't underestimate Francis, and also said what you've mentioned, that they had no clue how good or bad Francis was in boxing.
Nevertheless, if a man who had no previous boxing fight just casually knocks down the lineal champion and was close to winning the fight - this puts a dent in boxing as a sport and Fury definitely has something to prove here. It's in everyone's interest to see Fury getting the job done right.
Maybe he can say all he want as the fight is already done, but we really don't know what's behind when he is training. He might be training hard but there could be a lot of distractions from his family specially his father. There's also reports that his brother said that he will take over the training of Tyson, so it could be another indication that something is not really right when he did prepare for the Ngannou fight.
Obviously, if I had to choose between Fury Vs Usyk and Fury Vs Ngannou 2, I'd choose Usyk, but there's no reason we can't have both of those fights (Usyk first, Ngannou later).
Fury vs Usyk make sense for them, it's for a unification fight. It's been a while since we have seen someone holds all the belt in the 4 belt era so that will be big for either Fury and Usyk and it could cemented their legacy in the heavyweight division. So Francis can't do anything but to wait for Fury and Usyk or even for AJ and Wilder if he also target those big names for huge paycheck.
It seems clear Fury underestimated Ngannou, he did not expect that sort of ferocious and fearless attitude in the ring. This was supposed to an easy win for Fury but Ngannou had other ideas. Fury stated he trained for twelve rounds and trained double the period he normally would for a heavyweight fight but we do not know.
One thing to note was Usyk today stating that Fury underestimated Ngannou but he will not make the same mistake when/if he meets Usyk for the unification fight.
One thing to note was Usyk today stating that Fury underestimated Ngannou but he will not make the same mistake when/if he meets Usyk for the unification fight.
Probably Fury didn't trained hard enough and he should now what is the consequences of it. So I do not believed it, maybe this is just an excuse on his part because he was almost beaten, or for some he lost to a supposedly MMA fighter with no boxing skills.
Maybe I saw different interview, but in mine Fury told that due to there were no videos of Ngannou real boxing fights, they did not know what to expect. All the knew Ngannou has speed and power. Not much to build tactics on. Well, if on October 28 we saw prepared Fury, who fully understood what to expect from Ngannou, then no doubt he would have huge troubles against Usyk. My offer if Fury should have a rematch was more addressed to those who say that Ngannou won But in general I would love to see fight against Usyk, then against Ngannou.
But in general I would love to see fight against Usyk, then against Ngannou.I was referring to this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTOFDVNzMM0 in which he said both, that he came prepared and didn't underestimate Francis, and also said what you've mentioned, that they had no clue how good or bad Francis was in boxing.
Nevertheless, if a man who had no previous boxing fight just casually knocks down the lineal champion and was close to winning the fight - this puts a dent in boxing as a sport and Fury definitely has something to prove here. It's in everyone's interest to see Fury getting the job done right.
Obviously, if I had to choose between Fury Vs Usyk and Fury Vs Ngannou 2, I'd choose Usyk, but there's no reason we can't have both of those fights (Usyk first, Ngannou later).
And by the way, Wilder is not the toughest opponent Fury faced, it's Wlad and it's not even close. Wilder had been ducking Wlad and then AJ, he was cherry-picking and hostaging the WBC belt for many years. It was his first time stepping up against Fury who just returned from years of retirement thinking he could take advantage of it.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
Wilder vs Joshua would be ab interesting fight to watch and my money would also be on Wilder. Joshua lost a lot of credit, in my eyes, because of his loss against Andy Ruiz. I also think that we are not giving enough credit to Fury, he can give out punches and take a punch also, which is rare. How many boxers would have survived the punch Wilder gave to himin one of the fights?
Well there is video of his fights in MMA, at least the striking aspect is clearly shown there. So they could used it as a basis for them to gauge how good Ngannou will be as a boxer. For me they really underestimated him as he is a MMA fighter. And I do think that Fury is just saying post fight that Francis is good or even a difficult fight that Usyk (obviously he is down playing Usyk here).
Nevertheless, its a rude awakening for the champion and he is very lucky that the judges give him the win here. I know that there is a continuing debate as to who win this fight. But it's clear to me that Fury didn't prepared or trained very hard in this fight, he is just saying that he did after the beatings that he got so somewhat stroke his ego and not to hurt.
Nevertheless, its a rude awakening for the champion and he is very lucky that the judges give him the win here. I know that there is a continuing debate as to who win this fight. But it's clear to me that Fury didn't prepared or trained very hard in this fight, he is just saying that he did after the beatings that he got so somewhat stroke his ego and not to hurt.
Doubt that this Ngannou mma career would be a good basis to evaluate his boxing. First of all octagon is much different from the ring. Ropes vs net, obtuse angle vs right angle, gloves difference. Difference in fighter movement is to much to take it as basis. As of you would compare ice hockey and bandy. Same stick+puck+skates, yet two different games.
But isn't it that is the basis why we put him as a huge underdog in this fight? He was supposedly just like any other MMA fighters, they are multi faceted and boxing or at least what they call striking is not Ngannou's strong suit, he just had a power but he is raw and that's it. But everyone was surprised by his performance against the best Heavyweight in this era, he knock him down in the 3rd round and almost pull an upset.
However, I would agree more to you saying that Fury did not properly trained for the fight, than he underestimated his opponent or Ngannou was to good for him.
Probably Fury didn't trained hard enough and he should now what is the consequences of it. So I do not believed it, maybe this is just an excuse on his part because he was almost beaten, or for some he lost to a supposedly MMA fighter with no boxing skills.
As far as Fury vs Wilder was concerned, officially the first fight ended in a draw therefore Fury defeated Wilder twice. Usyk on both occasions when he defeated Joshua showed how superior he was but Joshua never had the smartest boxing brain, he was never on the same level as Fury or Usyk. If Fury and Usyk do not get the fight on the balance of power will eventually shift to other boxers, I hope we see the fight.
Fury defeated Wilder three times, and Usyk declassed Joshua twice. No matter how they fight with each other (Wilder and Joshua), it is unlikely that this can somehow change their position regarding the Usyk-Fury pair, at least until we see the first fight between Usyk and Fury. Theoretically, one could speculate that the balance of power in this four could turn over over time, but these boxers are at such an age that in the coming years they will simply end their careers.
Officially yes, but you can put it another way: Fury and Wilder had three fights. I don't think there have been many cases in the history of boxing at the top level where boxers have met more than three times in conditions where one of them had not won in the previous three fights.
The most important thing now is to see the Usyk-Fury fight, then the balance of power will, of course, change dramatically as I am sure that this generation will simply retire or will earn money from time to time in exhibition fights.
And by the way, Wilder is not the toughest opponent Fury faced, it's Wlad and it's not even close. Wilder had been ducking Wlad and then AJ, he was cherry-picking and hostaging the WBC belt for many years. It was his first time stepping up against Fury who just returned from years of retirement thinking he could take advantage of it.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
I think Wlad was already 40 at that time. I'm also taking prime Wlad over these current heavyweights. He's not just big but very strong, high IQ, and has power in both hands. I remember when Wilder's team mentioned they weren't ready to face Wlad for the undisputed championship.
Yes, he was about that age if I'm also not mistaken, so he is way past his prime and about to get out of boxing. But he gave Fury a good fight even. Wlad in his prime is very scary and I think it was the first time that we have seen a HW boxer with a body builder physique, he was a different specimen when he and his brother arrived in the HW scene.
AJ and Wilder aren't at their peaks anymore and both are a bit mentally broken. I believe the odds will remain close with Wilder most likely taking a slight edge. But I'll be betting on AJ if it happens. AJ has the better skills, he can somehow box and has a decent defense. Wilder only needs a single punch to put AJ to sleep but if he can't do it in the first 5 rounds, he might start to fatigue and he has no defense. Wilder's defense is his offense so there is nothing he can do when he's running out of gas.
True, there's no more enigma between the two, they have been broken already specially AJ, beaten twice by the same fighter, and then Ruiz take that 0 from him. Wilder though still possessed a one punch KO and we all know that AJ's chin has been broken. So if Wilder hits that chin square, he will go down and maybe he will be taken out with just and kiss the canvass for good.
And by the way, Wilder is not the toughest opponent Fury faced, it's Wlad and it's not even close. Wilder had been ducking Wlad and then AJ, he was cherry-picking and hostaging the WBC belt for many years. It was his first time stepping up against Fury who just returned from years of retirement thinking he could take advantage of it.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
I think Wlad was already 40 at that time. I'm also taking prime Wlad over these current heavyweights. He's not just big but very strong, high IQ, and has power in both hands. I remember when Wilder's team mentioned they weren't ready to face Wlad for the undisputed championship.
AJ and Wilder aren't at their peaks anymore and both are a bit mentally broken. I believe the odds will remain close with Wilder most likely taking a slight edge. But I'll be betting on AJ if it happens. AJ has the better skills, he can somehow box and has a decent defense. Wilder only needs a single punch to put AJ to sleep but if he can't do it in the first 5 rounds, he might start to fatigue and he has no defense. Wilder's defense is his offense so there is nothing he can do when he's running out of gas.
As far as Fury vs Wilder was concerned, officially the first fight ended in a draw therefore Fury defeated Wilder twice. Usyk on both occasions when he defeated Joshua showed how superior he was but Joshua never had the smartest boxing brain, he was never on the same level as Fury or Usyk. If Fury and Usyk do not get the fight on the balance of power will eventually shift to other boxers, I hope we see the fight.
Fury defeated Wilder three times, and Usyk declassed Joshua twice. No matter how they fight with each other (Wilder and Joshua), it is unlikely that this can somehow change their position regarding the Usyk-Fury pair, at least until we see the first fight between Usyk and Fury. Theoretically, one could speculate that the balance of power in this four could turn over over time, but these boxers are at such an age that in the coming years they will simply end their careers.
And by the way, Wilder is not the toughest opponent Fury faced, it's Wlad and it's not even close. Wilder had been ducking Wlad and then AJ, he was cherry-picking and hostaging the WBC belt for many years. It was his first time stepping up against Fury who just returned from years of retirement thinking he could take advantage of it.
Fury fought an older Wladimir, and if he had fought him during Wladimir's prime, I believe Fury wouldn't stand a chance. Wilder was probably so hyped during the time he faced Fury due to his record, boasting a 100% KO rate. Even now, if we deduct the outcomes against Fury, he still looks like a very dangerous fighter. But Wilder fell into the hands of Fury...First, a split draw, second, TKO, and then lastly, KO.
Honestly, if Wilder and Joshua were to face each other, I find it a very interesting fight to watch because both fighters are slowly coming back to being champions. But if I had to choose, I'd put my bet on Wilder as he was only beaten by one fighter, which is Fury, while Joshua has losses to two different boxers already, two from Usyk and one from Andy Ruiz.
Where does that leave Fury and Usyk? If over time Fury had worked out how to defeat Wilder how does that affect the Fury vs Usyk possible fight? In my opinion if this Fury/Usyk drama was to continue the best thing that can happen in order to add pressure on both Fury and Usyk, is for Joshua to fight Wilder. That would really add a new dimension to the heavyweight division.
Before Usyk entered the scene, Wilder was considered Fury's toughest opponent. In fact, many believed Wilder would win the fight, and he was the heavy favorite on sports betting sites. Wilder was -160 in the first fight and -125 in the second one. He was actually the underdog in their last bout, and he lost because Fury had figured out how to beat him. Although Fury had already defeated Wilder in their rematch, the last fight was a pretty dominant win for him.
Fury defeated Wilder three times, and Usyk declassed Joshua twice. No matter how they fight with each other (Wilder and Joshua), it is unlikely that this can somehow change their position regarding the Usyk-Fury pair, at least until we see the first fight between Usyk and Fury. Theoretically, one could speculate that the balance of power in this four could turn over over time, but these boxers are at such an age that in the coming years they will simply end their careers.
Yeah, so as far as rankings, it will be Fury, Usyk, and then AJ and Wilder.
And as much as AJ and Wilder wanted to say that they are the best in HW, they don't have any belts to boot. The only thing they have is that they are just in those tier and that's why we wanted to see them facing each other, Fury vs AJ for all British, or AJ vs Wilder as this fight has been touted for many years before they got beaten.
Francis though is the odd man out right now, he needs to beat at least one of them before his name could be inserted in the discussions.
AJ and Wilder should fight each other and then the winner can take the winner or the loser of the Usyk-Fury. But then again there are also overdue mandatories for the IBF (Hrgovic) and WBO (Zhang) for the Usyk-Fury winner. And there's also the chance that Fury makes another crazy stuff and retires again to avoid Usyk just like what he did before in avoiding a rematch with Wlad.
And by the way, Wilder is not the toughest opponent Fury faced, it's Wlad and it's not even close. Wilder had been ducking Wlad and then AJ, he was cherry-picking and hostaging the WBC belt for many years. It was his first time stepping up against Fury who just returned from years of retirement thinking he could take advantage of it.
Where does that leave Fury and Usyk? If over time Fury had worked out how to defeat Wilder how does that affect the Fury vs Usyk possible fight? In my opinion if this Fury/Usyk drama was to continue the best thing that can happen in order to add pressure on both Fury and Usyk, is for Joshua to fight Wilder. That would really add a new dimension to the heavyweight division.
Before Usyk entered the scene, Wilder was considered Fury's toughest opponent. In fact, many believed Wilder would win the fight, and he was the heavy favorite on sports betting sites. Wilder was -160 in the first fight and -125 in the second one. He was actually the underdog in their last bout, and he lost because Fury had figured out how to beat him. Although Fury had already defeated Wilder in their rematch, the last fight was a pretty dominant win for him.
Fury defeated Wilder three times, and Usyk declassed Joshua twice. No matter how they fight with each other (Wilder and Joshua), it is unlikely that this can somehow change their position regarding the Usyk-Fury pair, at least until we see the first fight between Usyk and Fury. Theoretically, one could speculate that the balance of power in this four could turn over over time, but these boxers are at such an age that in the coming years they will simply end their careers.
Yeah, so as far as rankings, it will be Fury, Usyk, and then AJ and Wilder.
And as much as AJ and Wilder wanted to say that they are the best in HW, they don't have any belts to boot. The only thing they have is that they are just in those tier and that's why we wanted to see them facing each other, Fury vs AJ for all British, or AJ vs Wilder as this fight has been touted for many years before they got beaten.
Francis though is the odd man out right now, he needs to beat at least one of them before his name could be inserted in the discussions.
Where does that leave Fury and Usyk? If over time Fury had worked out how to defeat Wilder how does that affect the Fury vs Usyk possible fight? In my opinion if this Fury/Usyk drama was to continue the best thing that can happen in order to add pressure on both Fury and Usyk, is for Joshua to fight Wilder. That would really add a new dimension to the heavyweight division.
Before Usyk entered the scene, Wilder was considered Fury's toughest opponent. In fact, many believed Wilder would win the fight, and he was the heavy favorite on sports betting sites. Wilder was -160 in the first fight and -125 in the second one. He was actually the underdog in their last bout, and he lost because Fury had figured out how to beat him. Although Fury had already defeated Wilder in their rematch, the last fight was a pretty dominant win for him.
Fury defeated Wilder three times, and Usyk declassed Joshua twice. No matter how they fight with each other (Wilder and Joshua), it is unlikely that this can somehow change their position regarding the Usyk-Fury pair, at least until we see the first fight between Usyk and Fury. Theoretically, one could speculate that the balance of power in this four could turn over over time, but these boxers are at such an age that in the coming years they will simply end their careers.
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