Topic: [Boxing]: Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz - October 29 - page 8. (Read 5817 times)

I don't know if you knew that Lomachenko is injured during that fight with Lopez? He had problems with his shoulder that's what he was very tentative against Lopez and can't throw as many punches as we want during that fight. So after, it has been operated, made a comeback and beat a good boxer in Nakatani and Commey. So for sure if Lomanchenko is healthy 100%, he will not be as passive, but will continue to attack Haney in any angle and test his defense and how he will crack it.

After winning on his upcoming fight I'm pretty sure that Loma will seek for another fighter and whoever is available between Haney and Kambosos I mean the winner from that rematch might be the possible next target of Loma's camp though the chance of trilogy is possible if Kambosos manage to reclaim his belt and Haney will call for another shot.

But moving back to this upcoming fight, Loma has the upper hand here and even bookies gives that heavy favor for Loma, @ 1.07 seems to be very one-sided for Loma though if upset take place that might be very decent for anyone who will bet for Ortiz.

The odds are in favor of the current undisputed champion and people doesn't really think that Kambosos can make some difference this time because even if Kambosos will start strong, Haney's technalities with his IQ in the ring will likely prevail more. Although, I'm rooting for a Loma-Kambosos fight but it seems like we will see Loma-Haney soon instead of the first match-up I said.

This is great news, things are finally happening and it is clear that they do not want to lose leadership in sports, obviously this is a big step for boxing, I think many bettors may be happy, I can only imagine the amount of bets that are They will do it, Loma for me is the favorite, however we have to wait, they must make some advances, how each boxer is doing, their presentation and this is something that can make a difference, for me the sixth will be one of the best fights that will take place I don't care if it's in the middle of the World Cup in Qatar, I'll take the time to see it, I hope the schedules don't clash with the soccer matches.


Well I also think that Kambosos could be a great option, but Haney is the most likely to win, of course everything is in the possibilities of being able to stand out in these fights, for me Lowa is a super complete boxer, he has all the conditions to win, and it's not for nothing, but I think that so far many are leaning towards him, it seems that the bets will be very biased towards him.

I like Lowa's attitude, because he doesn't care who to fight, he just wants to fight and no matter who and that is the true spirit of a boxer, for me he has everything to win, Ortiz is not a bad boxer he can have plenty to fight with.

Well, it's not a bad idea for Kamobosos vs. Lopez to happen, for me it's something that can happen, I don't rule out that they can move up a category and find themselves in a super fight, also if it doesn't happen for now many things can happen for the fight happens, and if they have enough fanfare and are excited for it to happen, then it's a matter of the sponsors agreeing.

In my personal perception, if I would like to see a fight between Loma and Haney, this is how superior forces are measured in the event that Haney emerges victorious and Lowa also does the same, all this is mere speculation, but it would be something spectacular if it happens.

Yes, as the animosity of both fighters are real, but Lopez has move up to the next weight class already and Haney is fighting at 135 lbs and wanted to get back all his titles. And so we don't know if Kambosos vs Lopez will happen in the future.

Loma is also an experience boxer so he doesn't bothered on any of his opponents in front of him. And it seems that he is trying to make from the lost time, so I expect him that after this month, in the next 3 months he will have Haney or Kambosos.

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Loma is actually not bothered on whom he'll have to face next after this fight, it may be Kambosos or Haney, depends on the outcome on their rematch. But apart from what you've said, I think it will be much more fun to see Kambosos and Lopez inside the ring as both fighters is fearless the fight might not be boring to watch but it might be Haney who's going to fight Kambosos. That ain't assured yet but it's Haney who has the upper hand.

We will only know if that will take place if they will both win on their upcoming fights, I like to see if what kind of strategy both will be adopting since skills wise both are good in doing their fundamentals and the fact that their IQ's are really something that bring them to this level, I would also want to see if it's Loma that will try to box Haney or if it's Haney that will adjust knowing that Loma is also a good defender who can collect points and not to be careless when trying to throw solid punches.

All will be concluded once they are pronounced winners of their own fights. Then there might be a final update if the fight will be negotiated, and we will see who's going to be in the ring to bring entertainment to all the fans and gamblers around.

Well, if Lomachenko also passively conducts a fight with Haney as he did with Lopez, then it will be a rather boring fight in my opinion, yes, in a fight with Lopez he had something to lose and he acted cautiously, but it didn't work. But Lomachenko fight with Kombosos would be very interesting to watch.

Haven't heard about that kind of rumor but it will be fun to see that Lomachenko will take up that challenge if he can break Haney's defense and make the latter struggle with his technicalities and Loma's chances are higher because I believe he have more boxing IQ than the current undisputed champion.

Either way, it will be interesting to see and it's a win-win situation for us boxing fans because a Loma-Haney and Loma-Kambosos fight have their own respective challenges to the veteran boxer. Though, I cannot deny that seeing Kambosos and Haney sharing a ring together is much more interesting as there's no doubt that these two boxers can entertain us and can give us what we wanted to see compared to the first match-up.

They should make the fight happen so that we will really know if it is the truth or not. For some reason, Haney became so used to his style that even though how good his opponent is, he can still managed to dodge some powerful punches and slowly score some points to beat his past opponents. more likely that would be the same case if he gonna fight against Loma because he would obviously be careful with his jabs to avoid some deadly counterpunch from Loma. Either way, They really need to step in the right against each other after their fights.

Really depends on how we are going to look at it financially, Loma is the A-side in any fight. But he needs to find a dance partner that has also a massive following not just in the US so that the fight will make a lot of money so it make sense from the promoters and network.

So it's just a question on how is going to bring more money in the table? the Australian or the American? pick your choice.

I haven't heard that argument from Haney's side though, and I don't see him that he is evading Loma because of his style. It was already crack by Teo Lopez (although Loma is injured). So we will only know if Loma can crack Haney's defense if they fight.

But if you look at Rigo vs Loma, we might see what's going to transpire if they fight.Rigo is also a defensive fighter as well but Loma took him apart and Rigo doesn't like no part of Loma so he quit. Not saying that Haney will quit, but most likely it will be a difficult fight for him.

Because that's one way to know who is more dominant and who has the more IQ in the ring, Mayweather gave too many reasons and excuses that's why the rematch didn't materialize and we cannot also blame him because he is just protecting his record and his image in the public. Speculation will remain speculation because people cannot prove that Manny is exactly greater than him.


Couldn't agree more, Canelo can't hide from that issue because it was a fact that he deliberately avoided the trilogy that time, now that the trilogy happened and he won, he didn't receive anything except the money because people already expected what would be the outcome of the fight because GGG is not the same anymore. Though I'm surprised that GGG can still survive a full 12-round fight against the prime Canelo.

It's obvious that fans will prefer the fight to happen regardless of the circumstances instead of facing the scenario of the fight not happening at all, and while it makes sense that boxers try to protect the record and their image, as that has a direct impact on the income they get from each fight, at some point this defensive attitude will also get in their way when it comes to making the most profits they can.

And yet a more recent example of this is the fight between Canelo and Golovkin, Canelo avoided the third flight for so long that when it finally happened it was really boring, both Canelo and Golovkin earned a lot of money out of that fight, but they didn't earn any reputation and if anything they lost it, as the fight was nowhere near as exciting as people thought it would be.

Somehow I read some rumors that Haney is evading Lomachenco since the person believed that Lomachenco's style is devastating to Haney's defensive style.  Is it possibly true that Lomachenco can really crack those defenses of Haney?  Well, I believe it is more interesting to watch Kambosos against Lomachenco since watching Haney's fight is really boring since he adopted the Mayweather defensive boxing style.  


I find it more exciting to see a Lomachenco - Kambosos fight than Haney - Lomachenco.  Though Haney - Lomachenco fight is quite interesting due to the question - can Loma break Haney's defense?

^^ It boils down how financially the fight will be, and of course there is the part of the network, whether the boxers are tied and exclusive with the big networks like DAZN, Sho and ESPN. And the boxing promoter themselves, if they can sit and talk about business.

I think in this case, and if we are going back to the original plan, it was supposedly Loma (TR) that Kambosos is going to fight. And when Loma back down, TR has to find a replacement and it just so happen that they have Haney in their stable. So the fight happen without any glitch. But for example, George wanted let's say Tank Davis to be his opponent, it might take some time because they have to negotiate again. And since the venue is already set and Arum offered Haney and he accepted and Kambosos accepted him as replacement, then it is easily made.

That is indeed possible but that is if Kambosos is in other promotional company but if you're with Bob Arum? I don't really believe that boxers under him have that kind of power to select whom they want to face next, we already know that story and frankly the reason why Crawford and probably Pacquiao left Top Rank.

And if Kambosos will win, just like what you said, Haney may wait or fight somebody else first because their trilogy will be second priority as likely the demand for Kambosos-Loma is much heavier.

We will have to see, if there is a demand from fight fans, maybe it will happen and could be held in the US. And hopefully Kambosos will return the favor to Haney, but if George elected to push for a Loma fight, then Haney will have to wait or fight some boxers to get him busy. I believed that boxers do have control on which boxer they want to face next, the only challenges is making it if the fighter is on the other side of the promotion and that they have a different network. Either side will have to make a compromise. But in this case, it's going to be easy, as Loma and Haney are with Top Rank. So expect them to face each other if Haney wins here.

Knowing Arum, if there's money to be suck he will do everything to make things happen, I don't know if how Kambosos will take down Haney as we all know the strategy that Haney use in beating him in their first match, there's a need of a lot of adjustment for Kambosos and with a short period, it's really something that instinct will come out from him when he already step the ring.

Let the fans witness everything that these both fighters will showcase when fighting inside the ring.

Both have the level of bringing the belt, but only one can win and take it home.

Well, if Kambosos manages to upset Haney then surely there will be a high chance that a trilogy fight will happen soon after the rematch, I know that Bob Arum will surely make that happen but I believe that the trilogy will take place and happen in the US, but that is if Devin Haney will be defeated.