Topic: [Boxing]: Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Jamaine Ortiz - October 29 - page 7. (Read 5797 times)

It's good that we will see him fight in this under card, however, he could be pressure in his shoulder because of his last name. So we will see in the future, if he has what it takes to carry the name or simply another ordinary boxer that has the legacy in his name.


I don't think that are any boxers that are more technical than Lomachenko. I'm not sure about Ortiz, but we have seen how Lomachenko destroys with any of the boxing style.

Another update on the undercard, Top Rank has added Nico Ali Walsh, the the grandson of “The Greatest.” He is still a bubbling Middleweight, so the future looks bright and hopefully he can carry the last name of his Grand Dad in boxing again. He will be fighting Billy Wagner, in six rounds.

Ortiz though is known to be “The Technician”, hehehe. So both of them are technician, but obviously, Loma is better all around boxer, he can beat you in several ways until you quit.

Well, I wouldn't see Haney and Kambosos as a boring fight either, it's something that shouldn't be taken from that point of view, some are underestimating Kambosos a lot and think that Haney will beat him up, but I think that one in boxing should be more careful, and more when it comes to betting, because there are unpleasant surprises, I still wouldn't know who to bet on, sometimes I get the impression that Kambosos could beat him, but I'm still not very sure, and with respect to Loma, the Most fans will go in favor of him, and it's like I say, everyone believes that we base ourselves on what they can show, and if Loma is very good, but we can't put aside the work that Ortiz has done.

Well there is a precedent and that is that when a boxer or any athlete suffers a lot from a shoulder it is something very strong, it is like the Achilles heel, that could be the ailment to make him lose, and in boxing it is a weak point without place to doubts, and this is very clear to Ortiz, no matter how much training, a lot of physics that Loma has been training, that will always be his weak point.

I would not trust myself 100% to bet on him, Ortiz is a complete boxer, he has both shoulders well, and I focus on the shoulders because that is where the strength comes from, besides the good technique of a boxer is that the blow is not seen, and that is achieved by the shoulder.



I'm also surprised about Haney, it's funny, because a professional boxer usually knows how to control his weight, I don't know if maybe Haney has consumed some amino acids (allowed) to be even stronger, and that's why who can't lose weight, this It is somewhat difficult, however, if it is his decision, it must be respected. In any case, I am a person who likes it when a boxer moves up in category, the more weight the more interesting the fight. Here in the forum there are many people who really like each category, they see a lot of technique and more than all the opponents who are quite promising, there are some boxers who are from lower categories and the fights are quite exciting, I think that's also about it.


I have also wondered what would happen if Kambosos wins and if Ortiz wins? It would be a phenomenal blow, what would have the most impact would be the big bets, everyone is thinking that Ortiz will lose and yes, there are many probabilities, but I like surprises, if Ortiz wins, it would be something that changes all the fight scenarios, and the possible businesses that must already be preparing and must be soaking, also if Kambosos succeeds, they would earn my absolute respect in terms of the sense of boxing, because I would be saying that there is and there are Kambosos for a while, that he arrived more recharged and that there will be a new era.

Arum, as we know the man, he will make things happen. It's possible for him to deal with this right away after Loma's fight and the winner between Kambosos and Haney. It will bring more money for this man. Let see if how things will work and who will be the fighter that Arum will set and deal with. Just a wild hallucination. What if Ortiz and Kambosos win their respective matches, are there also possibilities that they will be meeting instead of Loma? Just saying since upset is also possible in any fight.

Though it will be a slim chance for Ortiz beating the IQ minister Loma, with the talent and skill-sets Loma got an upper-hand here.


Yes, Shakur's decision was based on how he project his future. He thinks that there's nothing that he can do in maintaining his original weight, so moving up is the next stop and try to be a winner or a belt holder. It is the handler that will drive him to make a good title match and prove himself in this new journey in his boxing career.

I'm surprised with Shakur's decision but it is what it is, when the a boxer feels that he cannot maintain the weight anymore, he need to move up to be able to perform at his best. Haney might stay in his division for awhile, but if he decide, that's alright because there's nothing for him to prove anymore.

Shakur came from 130 pounds and then declared that he can't shrink his weight anymore so now he's moving 135 pounds, it's still to early to judge Shakur but he should at least test the water first before cracking the boxers in the top. Normally, he should fight through ranks too just like the other boxers.

And just like you said, there's no reason for Haney to climb the next division, he doesn't have some problems in his weight too. It's much better for him to defend his belt for now. And if in-case Haney will indeed climb up, Tank Davis is more suitable to fight Loma.

It is possible, if Lomachenko win this coming match, that he will aim for a title bout probably against Haney.  Boxing promoters will be eyeing that one too since it is way more profitable than having their boxer fight a non-title bout  So possibly we can see the Lomachenco-Haney fight next year, that is if Haney wins his next fight since Bob Arum is planning to set Lomachenko-Haney for undisputed title fight.[1]



True there is nothing more worth challenging than the one who is holding the four title, it is either Haney or Kambosos, who ever emerged victorious on that rematch would be possibly set to fight of the winner between Lomachenko and Ortiz.  It is heavily favored that Haney and Lomachenco might come victorious and Arum has already stated that he is giving Lomachenco a chance for an undisputed title fight.


Everything isn't set in stone yet, remember Ortiz is also a capable fighter with an unblemished record, this may be considered a tune-up fight but I can see this isn't a normal cherry-picked fight because Loma's opponent can sting too.

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[1] https://www.badlefthook.com/2022/8/24/23320734/bob-arum-planning-vasiliy-lomachenko-vs-devin-haney-for-undisputed-boxing-news-2022

And as a boxer, you really wanted to take those belts and be on top. Aside from the fame money wise, a title holder can make a huge amount of money, especially if fans will support whoever will be the opponents. It's expected that Loma will do that after he wins this upcoming fight. He will chase for the belt and whoever will be the champion he will try beating him to snatch all the belts.

Let see if how dominant Loma will be, then wait for the promoters and camps to negotiate. Everything will be announced though
once both camps agree with the deal.

Yeah, though the weight difference is only 5-8 pounds for each division, but we can look Canelo who're the best on super middleweight but got beaten on light heavyweight division.
I don't really think Haney would rank up very soon since many people will judge him if he's scared to defend his belts against other boxer.

I wonder what the next opponent for Lomachenko after Ortiz, maybe Tank? considering he have WBA belt.

Yeah, that would be crazy if Shakur come into the scene when Haney decided to move up in the heavier division.  I think Shakur would be the underdog here it would be a great challenge since Loma is a natural of 135 lbs while Shakur hasn't tested the water yet.  If ever they hasten the match-up of these two talented boxers,  probably the last quarter of next year would be the earliest schedule for this two ( though I think it has a slim chance that these two fighters to face as soon as Shakur move up to 135 lbs.)  But then, I think Loma needs to win against Ortiz first before he can get a better deal.


This is the beauty of open discussion, we can speculate anything and indulge ourselves in discussing it.  



It would be great if Haney - Loma fight happens before Haney moves up,  this way lots of questions and speculations of fans will get their answer.  


Considering the weight division, Shakur is somehow at a disadvantage because he isn't a normal 135 lbs boxer so yeah it is wise to say that it is more difficult for Loma to beat Haney than Shakur.

Oops, so it's not gonna happen in case Haney will move, well at least we can still see a big fight by Loma if the post below would come into reality.

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I know Shakur is great, I think Loma has a bigger chance of beating him that fighting Haney which is more clever IMO.

We have been speculating that if Loma wins this fight, and Haney wins the same, it will be both of them fighting next. But recent news surfaces that this might not be the case, as Haney could move to 140 lbs.

And with Top Rank has the luxury at their stables this 135 lbs champion, then I reckon that we might see Shakur stepping in to fight Loma next. That's going to be crazy as he will have the first crack to become a unified champion in a new weight class but it won't be that easy because it's going to be Loma. So let's see how it goes, this is just speculation though.

Lomachenco would be interested in that but Lopez does not give him that chance, now that Loma is still a champion and Lopez is not anymore, I think Loma has to choose a fighter that he would benefit big time if he wins the fight. Lopez needs to become a champion first which I think is possible, but considering his attitude, I have a feeling he will not achieve the ultimate success.

I agree, that shouldn't be made as an excuse.  But there is always a rematch so we can see whether Lomachenco can really beat Lopez at 100% conditioned body.
Now I know why Lomachenco is kinda passive in the early round of his match against Lopez.  Preserving his injury to not get worse until the later quarter of the match.  But then it was too late for Lomachenco to win the fight since Lopez had already established a winning lead.


With the rumors that Lomachenco has an injured shoulder during the fight, probably Loma's fans won't be convinced that Lopez really dominated a 100% healthy Lomachenco.  So I think the rematch between Lomachenco and Lopez will be very interesting.

Yup, Teofimo Lopez deserved to get credits from that fight because defeating a Lomachenko is a great feat to attain that almost all boxers up until now struggled to do so. We expected that Loma will overcome that said fight but Lopez did a good job and we can see that Loma is quite far from Lopez's scorecards.

On this fight, Loma have the higher hand and I expect that this will be just like a tune-up fight for him to fight for an undisputed title next. No one else left because there's only boxer who holds all four titles.

I wouldn't say that he made excuses, but right after the fight, he claimed that he had injured his shoulders. So if you watch the fight closely, you will notice that something is off with Loma that night. And he is not throwing as he used to be but just quite contented by playing defense early, from rounds 1-6, in which Lopez has built a good lead from the judges scorecard. And then started his really late in round 7 and by that time, he needs a knockout to win, but unfortunately he can't because there is no power because of his shoulder injury. So we give credit to Teo Lopez for winning.

Indeed, the impact will remain the same. He wins that fight and the memories will be there. No need for any excuses, they are just all pro and continue to move forward and chase for another opportunities in proving their skills and become a champion again. There's always room for improvement and with proper trainings and good promoters, this fighter's name will continue to be hype.

Especially Loma, after this fight if he will win, which most expect him to do that.

He will have more money fights to come, and who knows a challenge with the belt holder will be the next target of his camp.

Really? Didn't heard that Loma was actually making some excuse on why he lost that fight, I respect Loma because of what he is and he is viewed as big brother in lightweight division but he should know to give credits too because Lopez did good from that fight. He may have injury that time or not, Lopez still won the fight and that can't be changed no matter what the excuse is.

It was Lomachenko's fault that is why he got defeat from that fight against Lopez, he already knew that something's off with him and that was his shoulders but still he continued the fight carrying that injury because maybe he thought that he might do well against Lopez but actually, he didn't. Post-fight, Lomachenko revealed his injury to get sympathy but what's done is done and it was Lopez who won the fight.

That was his excuse, although it's true but he cannot make that as an excuse, he could just have postponed the fight and just fight Lopez after the operation, but he continue, that's why we should give the credit to Lopez for being the better fighter.