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Don't you think that Corinthians has been recovering well in its last few games, despite the imminent and perhaps inevitable threat of relegation to Serie B?

I feel that Fortaleza has been declining, it's difficult to maintain consistency even though it's a team in good form, which is why I think this championship is the most successful of the majority, because it's long (it lasts practically the entire year) and the teams wear themselves out a lot.

Fortaleza suffering the loss on Sudamerican cup, if they go out of that competition they can be in a big trouble, you know is a big blow to the faith of the players being out of that international tournament, when they started it in a super way.

The dream is over Cheesy

. Now Fortaleza is returning to its normal place. It was a complete distortion for them to have led the Brazilian championship, and the next one to have their dream interrupted will be Botafogo. They will only be champions if Palmeiras does a lot of things wrong in the remaining games. I don't see either Botafogo or Fortaleza taking the championship this year.

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Don't you think that Corinthians has been recovering well in its last few games, despite the imminent and perhaps inevitable threat of relegation to Serie B?

I feel that Fortaleza has been declining, it's difficult to maintain consistency even though it's a team in good form, which is why I think this championship is the most successful of the majority, because it's long (it lasts practically the entire year) and the teams wear themselves out a lot.

Fortaleza suffering the loss on Sudamerican cup, if they go out of that competition they can be in a big trouble, you know is a big blow to the faith of the players being out of that international tournament, when they started it in a super way.

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 19, 2024, 11:56:55 AM

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Don't you think that Corinthians has been recovering well in its last few games, despite the imminent and perhaps inevitable threat of relegation to Serie B?

I feel that Fortaleza has been declining, it's difficult to maintain consistency even though it's a team in good form, which is why I think this championship is the most successful of the majority, because it's long (it lasts practically the entire year) and the teams wear themselves out a lot.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 19, 2024, 01:23:07 PM

thank you for sharing these links
this is all really interesting
nice to learn a bit more about one of the biggest teams in Brazil too

interesting to see they monetizing on the fans and as I suspected the biggest revenue sources are marketing campaigns and placement.

Yes, it is a gold mine that was previously unexplored. The brand of a big club and everything that involves it generates a lot of revenue, licensing, broadcast TV contracts, pay-per-view, members, shirts... it really is a lot. Now there is the issue of the stadium. Until now, Flamengo paid to play. Soon, with its own stadium, it will collect all the ticket sales and only have to cover operating costs. And it is not uncommon for a match to generate more than R$1 million in ticket sales. Good management makes a big difference, without the need for SAF or anything like that. It is a shame that not all clubs see this and the old policy continues.

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it is interesting indeed
do you think having someone as Ronaldo who knows a lot about football owning a full team would change anything on the direction of the team?
what a team owner actually do, I mean, how much they can interfere with technical decisions?

this got me curious.
are teams always profitable too?

The difference is that Ronaldo, besides knowing a lot about football, is a mega businessman with a lot of experience in negotiations and business management, so when Cruzeiro was sold, it was a unique opportunity for him to put all his knowledge of management and sports into practice.

As for his influence on technical decisions, I don't think so. A professional manager like him knows that if he gets involved in other sectors, the chances of things going wrong are huge. He hires people he trusts and lets the work flow... football teams are a money-making machine when they are well managed. Just look at the case of Flamengo, which went from bankrupt to one of the richest teams in Brazil... results achieved through good management, nothing more.

interesting, do you know of any case studies or published papers or infographics showing Flamengo's situation from bankrupt to profitable?
would love to see

and regarding Ronaldo, what you said makes a lot of sense

Flamengo was an extremely successful case. It all started with the revolution in the management of president Eduardo Bandeira de Mello, who, as I recall, finally decided to sort out the club's finances. At the time, he even calmed the fans by saying that we would go through difficult times and would not have a team that was competitive enough to win titles. However, over time, Flamengo would become the strongest club in the Americas. It was all a project and a very successful one.

Here are some websites for you to check out (all in Portuguese).

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/times/flamengo/noticia/de-devedor-a-potencia-economica-veja-linha-do-tempo-da-ascensao-financeira-do-flamengo.ghtml

https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2018/03/02/deportes/1520024774_927536.html

https://blocktrends.com.br/como-o-flamengo-saiu-da-falencia-para-o-maior-orcamento-do-futebol-brasileiro/

thank you for sharing these links
this is all really interesting
nice to learn a bit more about one of the biggest teams in Brazil too

interesting to see they monetizing on the fans and as I suspected the biggest revenue sources are marketing campaigns and placement.

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Quote from: Pumared on September 19, 2024, 09:49:31 AM

Great, I'll definitely leave my complaint about Fortaleza in this other thread too! Thanks! And about their performance, they'll need to be a thousand times better team to handle the pressure both in the next game with Corinthians and to stay at the top of the Brasileirão.

Now that the transfer window has closed and Corinthians have finished making signings and changes, it's going to be the decisive part for the team to work
The time will come to find out whether it will have the expected effect or not
I think Corinthians have lost the Brasileirao already (about chances of Libertadores and Sudamericana zone), but the other teams at the bottom of the table are also so bad that they could help Corinthians save themselves

It's a shame to have a millionaire team, with players earning a lot of money, and not even be able to get out of the relegation zone

Quote from: boltz on September 19, 2024, 06:49:26 AM

At this point that clause is already valid around 70% because I personally cannot see Corinthians saving themselves this season but the players will fight to avoid relegation with all their powers. However , it's kinda in vain as long as this club doesn't have financial power to sustain itself , it also need to sell some players and they don't have any budget for new transfers ...so basically all indicators are pointing towards Serie B for this team and a full reconstruction. Sad

The situation isn't good, but at least the club has managed to sign a few new players, now it's time to get down to work and for the players to work a little harder to get some wins

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 18, 2024, 03:57:32 PM

Quote from: Pumared on September 18, 2024, 02:16:12 PM

After yesterday's game against Corinthians, despite it being another championship, Fortaleza simply did nothing. It looked like amateur football. The team lacked everything, even simple passes were being missed, and all this while playing at home. Last year they made it to the final, but this year Fortaleza won't get very far playing like this.

Hey @Pumared, tg88 created the thread about Sudamericana 2024 here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64545579
If you're interested in the Cup, or anyone reading this, join in too, because the sudamericana is already in the quarter-finals, it's going to get very interesting, with some great matches and betting odds
Corinthians are finally giving me some joy by winning and making me win the bets

But now the team really NEED to wake up for the Brasileirão Cheesy

Great, I'll definitely leave my complaint about Fortaleza in this other thread too! Thanks! And about their performance, they'll need to be a thousand times better team to handle the pressure both in the next game with Corinthians and to stay at the top of the Brasileirão.

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 16, 2024, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: Pumared on September 15, 2024, 05:48:49 PM

This game Memphis needs to show what he came for and boost the team's morale. Otherwise, he will only shine in the B series next year, if there is a next year. I think it's hard for him to want to stay here in a championship below.

So take a look at this:

Quote from: https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/corinthians/artigo/_/id/14165034/diretor-do-corinthians-diz-que-contrato-de-depay-tem-clausula-de-rescisao-em-caso-de-rebaixamento#:~:text=Apresentado%20na%20%C3%BAltima%20quinta%2Dfeira,Brasileiro%20rebaixada%20%C3%A0%20S%C3%A9rie%20B.

The reason is a clause in the Dutchman's contract to terminate his contract free of charge if the team finishes the Brazilian Championship relegated to Serie B

If Corinthians are relegated, both could terminate their contracts Cheesy

At this point that clause is already valid around 70% because I personally cannot see Corinthians saving themselves this season but the players will fight to avoid relegation with all their powers. However , it's kinda in vain as long as this club doesn't have financial power to sustain itself , it also need to sell some players and they don't have any budget for new transfers ...so basically all indicators are pointing towards Serie B for this team and a full reconstruction. Sad

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 18, 2024, 01:44:11 PM

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 17, 2024, 12:20:25 PM

it is interesting indeed
do you think having someone as Ronaldo who knows a lot about football owning a full team would change anything on the direction of the team?
what a team owner actually do, I mean, how much they can interfere with technical decisions?

this got me curious.
are teams always profitable too?

The difference is that Ronaldo, besides knowing a lot about football, is a mega businessman with a lot of experience in negotiations and business management, so when Cruzeiro was sold, it was a unique opportunity for him to put all his knowledge of management and sports into practice.

As for his influence on technical decisions, I don't think so. A professional manager like him knows that if he gets involved in other sectors, the chances of things going wrong are huge. He hires people he trusts and lets the work flow... football teams are a money-making machine when they are well managed. Just look at the case of Flamengo, which went from bankrupt to one of the richest teams in Brazil... results achieved through good management, nothing more.

interesting, do you know of any case studies or published papers or infographics showing Flamengo's situation from bankrupt to profitable?
would love to see

and regarding Ronaldo, what you said makes a lot of sense

Flamengo was an extremely successful case. It all started with the revolution in the management of president Eduardo Bandeira de Mello, who, as I recall, finally decided to sort out the club's finances. At the time, he even calmed the fans by saying that we would go through difficult times and would not have a team that was competitive enough to win titles. However, over time, Flamengo would become the strongest club in the Americas. It was all a project and a very successful one.

Here are some websites for you to check out (all in Portuguese).

https://ge.globo.com/futebol/times/flamengo/noticia/de-devedor-a-potencia-economica-veja-linha-do-tempo-da-ascensao-financeira-do-flamengo.ghtml

https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2018/03/02/deportes/1520024774_927536.html

https://blocktrends.com.br/como-o-flamengo-saiu-da-falencia-para-o-maior-orcamento-do-futebol-brasileiro/

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Quote from: Pumared on September 18, 2024, 02:16:12 PM

After yesterday's game against Corinthians, despite it being another championship, Fortaleza simply did nothing. It looked like amateur football. The team lacked everything, even simple passes were being missed, and all this while playing at home. Last year they made it to the final, but this year Fortaleza won't get very far playing like this.

Hey @Pumared, tg88 created the thread about Sudamericana 2024 here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64545579
If you're interested in the Cup, or anyone reading this, join in too, because the sudamericana is already in the quarter-finals, it's going to get very interesting, with some great matches and betting odds
Corinthians are finally giving me some joy by winning and making me win the bets

But now the team really NEED to wake up for the Brasileirão Cheesy

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 17, 2024, 01:13:22 PM

Quote from: Slow death on September 16, 2024, 09:08:35 AM

Fortaleza definitely has no chance of becoming champion. They were lucky to get this far, but now they are falling and are returning to the position they belong

In my opinion, it's too early to say that Fortaleza don't have a chance of becoming champions, because after all, they're four points behind leader Botafogo
There are still 12 games to play, with 36 points up in dispute
Every point is important for the final leg, but there's still time

Fortaleza still have a game against Palmeiras, who are in second place, so it's a very important match, and if they win, it could put pressure on Botafogo
And Botafogo also have a game against Palmeiras

It could be that these matches between the three will be the difference between the champion and the winner Shocked

After yesterday's game against Corinthians, despite it being another championship, Fortaleza simply did nothing. It looked like amateur football. The team lacked everything, even simple passes were being missed, and all this while playing at home. Last year they made it to the final, but this year Fortaleza won't get very far playing like this.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 17, 2024, 12:20:25 PM

it is interesting indeed
do you think having someone as Ronaldo who knows a lot about football owning a full team would change anything on the direction of the team?
what a team owner actually do, I mean, how much they can interfere with technical decisions?

this got me curious.
are teams always profitable too?

The difference is that Ronaldo, besides knowing a lot about football, is a mega businessman with a lot of experience in negotiations and business management, so when Cruzeiro was sold, it was a unique opportunity for him to put all his knowledge of management and sports into practice.

As for his influence on technical decisions, I don't think so. A professional manager like him knows that if he gets involved in other sectors, the chances of things going wrong are huge. He hires people he trusts and lets the work flow... football teams are a money-making machine when they are well managed. Just look at the case of Flamengo, which went from bankrupt to one of the richest teams in Brazil... results achieved through good management, nothing more.

interesting, do you know of any case studies or published papers or infographics showing Flamengo's situation from bankrupt to profitable?
would love to see

and regarding Ronaldo, what you said makes a lot of sense

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 17, 2024, 12:20:25 PM

it is interesting indeed
do you think having someone as Ronaldo who knows a lot about football owning a full team would change anything on the direction of the team?
what a team owner actually do, I mean, how much they can interfere with technical decisions?

this got me curious.
are teams always profitable too?

The difference is that Ronaldo, besides knowing a lot about football, is a mega businessman with a lot of experience in negotiations and business management, so when Cruzeiro was sold, it was a unique opportunity for him to put all his knowledge of management and sports into practice.

As for his influence on technical decisions, I don't think so. A professional manager like him knows that if he gets involved in other sectors, the chances of things going wrong are huge. He hires people he trusts and lets the work flow... football teams are a money-making machine when they are well managed. Just look at the case of Flamengo, which went from bankrupt to one of the richest teams in Brazil... results achieved through good management, nothing more.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 16, 2024, 09:08:35 AM

Fortaleza definitely has no chance of becoming champion. They were lucky to get this far, but now they are falling and are returning to the position they belong

In my opinion, it's too early to say that Fortaleza don't have a chance of becoming champions, because after all, they're four points behind leader Botafogo
There are still 12 games to play, with 36 points up in dispute
Every point is important for the final leg, but there's still time

Fortaleza still have a game against Palmeiras, who are in second place, so it's a very important match, and if they win, it could put pressure on Botafogo
And Botafogo also have a game against Palmeiras

It could be that these matches between the three will be the difference between the champion and the winner Shocked

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Quote from: Pumared on September 15, 2024, 05:48:49 PM

This game Memphis needs to show what he came for and boost the team's morale. Otherwise, he will only shine in the B series next year, if there is a next year. I think it's hard for him to want to stay here in a championship below.

So take a look at this:

Quote from: https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/corinthians/artigo/_/id/14165034/diretor-do-corinthians-diz-que-contrato-de-depay-tem-clausula-de-rescisao-em-caso-de-rebaixamento#:~:text=Apresentado%20na%20%C3%BAltima%20quinta%2Dfeira,Brasileiro%20rebaixada%20%C3%A0%20S%C3%A9rie%20B.

The reason is a clause in the Dutchman's contract to terminate his contract free of charge if the team finishes the Brazilian Championship relegated to Serie B

If Corinthians are relegated, both could terminate their contracts Cheesy

LOL this didn't surprise me but it's really funny. It shows that the Memphis agent is better than 90% of Brazilian agents combined. This clause makes him come, earn his money and no matter what happens he leaves more of a millionaire than when he arrived. Congratulations to Corinthians for the terrible deal.

Typical business to gain the fans' morale at any cost. The team is doing badly, the finances are bad, but the important thing is the joy of the deluded fans who see a star player arriving and solving all the team's problems... typical behavior of Brazilian politicians, after all, it is the president's team, right? I just want to see who will pay this bill later, because if the club continues like this it will go bankrupt... the final blow will be relegation... and this time there will be no buyer, like Ronaldo did with the Cruzeiro team...

It would be interesting to see someone like Ronaldo buying the team. I really like these types of purchases of teams that are bankrupt and then take control of the situation and start winning again. As you mentioned, Cruzeiro is a completely different team, which even has Cassio, who played for Corinthians.

it is interesting indeed
do you think having someone as Ronaldo who knows a lot about football owning a full team would change anything on the direction of the team?
what a team owner actually do, I mean, how much they can interfere with technical decisions?

this got me curious.
are teams always profitable too?

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on September 17, 2024, 05:36:40 AM

Quote from: Pumared on September 16, 2024, 01:46:07 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on September 16, 2024, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: Pumared on September 15, 2024, 05:48:49 PM

This game Memphis needs to show what he came for and boost the team's morale. Otherwise, he will only shine in the B series next year, if there is a next year. I think it's hard for him to want to stay here in a championship below.

So take a look at this:

Quote from: https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/corinthians/artigo/_/id/14165034/diretor-do-corinthians-diz-que-contrato-de-depay-tem-clausula-de-rescisao-em-caso-de-rebaixamento#:~:text=Apresentado%20na%20%C3%BAltima%20quinta%2Dfeira,Brasileiro%20rebaixada%20%C3%A0%20S%C3%A9rie%20B.

The reason is a clause in the Dutchman's contract to terminate his contract free of charge if the team finishes the Brazilian Championship relegated to Serie B

If Corinthians are relegated, both could terminate their contracts Cheesy

LOL this didn't surprise me but it's really funny. It shows that the Memphis agent is better than 90% of Brazilian agents combined. This clause makes him come, earn his money and no matter what happens he leaves more of a millionaire than when he arrived. Congratulations to Corinthians for the terrible deal.

Typical business to gain the fans' morale at any cost. The team is doing badly, the finances are bad, but the important thing is the joy of the deluded fans who see a star player arriving and solving all the team's problems... typical behavior of Brazilian politicians, after all, it is the president's team, right? I just want to see who will pay this bill later, because if the club continues like this it will go bankrupt... the final blow will be relegation... and this time there will be no buyer, like Ronaldo did with the Cruzeiro team...

It would be interesting to see someone like Ronaldo buying the team. I really like these types of purchases of teams that are bankrupt and then take control of the situation and start winning again. As you mentioned, Cruzeiro is a completely different team, which even has Cassio, who played for Corinthians.

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Quote from: Pumared on September 16, 2024, 01:46:07 PM

Quote from: rdluffy on September 16, 2024, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: Pumared on September 15, 2024, 05:48:49 PM

This game Memphis needs to show what he came for and boost the team's morale. Otherwise, he will only shine in the B series next year, if there is a next year. I think it's hard for him to want to stay here in a championship below.

So take a look at this:

Quote from: https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/corinthians/artigo/_/id/14165034/diretor-do-corinthians-diz-que-contrato-de-depay-tem-clausula-de-rescisao-em-caso-de-rebaixamento#:~:text=Apresentado%20na%20%C3%BAltima%20quinta%2Dfeira,Brasileiro%20rebaixada%20%C3%A0%20S%C3%A9rie%20B.

The reason is a clause in the Dutchman's contract to terminate his contract free of charge if the team finishes the Brazilian Championship relegated to Serie B

If Corinthians are relegated, both could terminate their contracts Cheesy

LOL this didn't surprise me but it's really funny. It shows that the Memphis agent is better than 90% of Brazilian agents combined. This clause makes him come, earn his money and no matter what happens he leaves more of a millionaire than when he arrived. Congratulations to Corinthians for the terrible deal.

Typical business to gain the fans' morale at any cost. The team is doing badly, the finances are bad, but the important thing is the joy of the deluded fans who see a star player arriving and solving all the team's problems... typical behavior of Brazilian politicians, after all, it is the president's team, right? I just want to see who will pay this bill later, because if the club continues like this it will go bankrupt... the final blow will be relegation... and this time there will be no buyer, like Ronaldo did with the Cruzeiro team...

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 16, 2024, 09:05:00 AM

Quote from: Pumared on September 15, 2024, 05:48:49 PM

This game Memphis needs to show what he came for and boost the team's morale. Otherwise, he will only shine in the B series next year, if there is a next year. I think it's hard for him to want to stay here in a championship below.

So take a look at this:

Quote from: https://www.espn.com.br/futebol/corinthians/artigo/_/id/14165034/diretor-do-corinthians-diz-que-contrato-de-depay-tem-clausula-de-rescisao-em-caso-de-rebaixamento#:~:text=Apresentado%20na%20%C3%BAltima%20quinta%2Dfeira,Brasileiro%20rebaixada%20%C3%A0%20S%C3%A9rie%20B.

The reason is a clause in the Dutchman's contract to terminate his contract free of charge if the team finishes the Brazilian Championship relegated to Serie B

If Corinthians are relegated, both could terminate their contracts Cheesy

LOL this didn't surprise me but it's really funny. It shows that the Memphis agent is better than 90% of Brazilian agents combined. This clause makes him come, earn his money and no matter what happens he leaves more of a millionaire than when he arrived. Congratulations to Corinthians for the terrible deal.

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Quote from: Slow death on September 16, 2024, 09:08:35 AM

Flamengo never stops disappointing. This season they won't be champions again. They changed coaches, but we don't see any good results. Honestly, they should start hiring coaches who have won the Premier League, La Liga, Bundesliga. Tite isn't managing to make the team strong. I doubt very much that Flamengo will be able to win Brasileirão

In my opinion, Flamengo is no longer a champion. There have been so many random failures that the team has lost to itself, draws and defeats against bad teams. For example, in the last game against Vasco, they dominated the entire game and conceded a goal. This is the behavior of a team that does not want to be champion. There is only one person in the world capable of bringing the titles back to Flamengo: Jorge Jesus.

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MMM man, why you bet on so low odds games? I mean i know you feel super sure doing that, but i can see a 1.08 odds in the double chance bet between Palmeiras or draw, that doesnt have any value in the long run for me, believe only one bad bet and you are gonna need so much wins to recover it.

Im more into the school of high odds.

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