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Quote from: Pumared on November 21, 2024, 08:39:30 AM

My focus was elsewhere and I had already forgotten about Corinthians. They left very quickly, could it be that all this was the Mephis effect on Corinthians?

I remember that he had a clause that if he was relegated to the B series he could leave the team.

The reason Corinthians woke up and started winning games and climbing up the rank is that I bet with @criptoevangelista that Corinthians would be relegated this year, and then it skyrocketed Grin

But it looks like Memphis have given the team a boost and Yuri Alberto is finally scoring more goals
But I remain firm in my criticism, Corinthians were very lucky to reach two semi-finals that they could have used much better and been in some final, the Copa do Brasil or the Sudamericana.

Now the fight for Corinthians is to try and get as many points as possible to finish seventh and earn a place in the pre-Libertadores, since Flamengo is already classified because of Copa do Brasil

Do you think the team can do it?

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Quote from: ajanwalker on November 21, 2024, 04:43:43 AM

Corinthians, who were in the relegation zone six weeks ago, showed a great performance and got 5 wins and 1 draw in the last six matches. 90+4, while leading 2-1 against International in the draw. He scored a goal in the next minute and the match ended 2-2.
Even if they win the remaining 4 matches, it is not possible to enter the top 6. Even if this is the case, Corinthians will want to continue this winning streak.
The other team I follow in this league is Fluminense. Will it stay in the league or be relegated to SeriB in the remaining 5 matches? It has a good squad and it will be played at home against teams like Cuiaba and Criciuma. They must get 6 points from these matches, otherwise they will be relegated to the lower league.

My focus was elsewhere and I had already forgotten about Corinthians. They left very quickly, could it be that all this was the Mephis effect on Corinthians?

I remember that he had a clause that if he was relegated to the B series he could leave the team.

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 18, 2024, 07:19:33 AM

Finally, finally, finally Cheesy

All the teams now have the same number of games and we can see the table better Cheesy

Only 5 matches remaining, 15 points in dispute
Lots of cool stuff going on: 3 teams trying to be champions, a direct confrontation between Palmeiras and Botafogo, more spots in the Libertadores and a fierce fight against relegation

Looking very tight on top right ? Just a few points between Plameiras and Botafogo and a life time rivalry between them will make this last 5 games an epic battle for points. For me , I still think Botafogo will be champions at the end because they had a blast of season , with important victories , amazing goals but also winning the big games against important teams.

I also didn't expect to see Bragantino being in the relegation zone and if they don't change something in the next 2 games , I'm afraid Serie B will be waiting for them. Personally , I expected to see Corinthians there after having so many problems this year and not being able to save the club from financial problems but the players seems to save the season by avoiding relegation zone.

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Today's most exciting match was between atletico mineiro and Botafogo where many excepted that Botafogo has more possibility to win the match but the final result is draw with 0-0 score. Unfortunately Botafogo is strong team, standing at the top of the qualifying table with 69 points where they won 20 matches out of 34. And atletico mineiro comes at 11th position with 43 points where they won half of the match in comparison of their opponent, i mean 10 match out of 34. Although anything can happen in the match which will be considered as normal incident lol. But i excepted a single goal from Botafogo. After the start of the match, both team fight hard and Botafogo able to continue their dominance over their opponent and gave their best effort to score goals but their bad luck no goal was score by them as well as they did many mistakes too. they need to upgrade their strategy a little more. Besides atletico mineiro defense system was good enough. They got 30% of control during the whole match but they tried to handle many dengerous shots and gave their best to stopped their opponent. Otherwise they could lost. But Botafogo makes disappointed by not to scoring a single goal.

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Quote from: Pumared on November 20, 2024, 10:26:20 PM

It seems that Botafogo doesn't want to be champion again. Will they make the same mistake again? They just drew with AtléticoMG. As I said, this trophy goes to Fortaleza, but not because of their merit, but because of the opponent's stupidity.

It looks like the old saying is going to happen again: There are things that only happen to Botafogo.

Just imagine, losing the 2024 Brazilian championship title and also losing to Atlético-MG in the Libertadores final. Would be quite a tragedy. But a team that wants to be champion cannot afford to "stumble" in the final stretch of a championship, especially when its opponents are very close in the table.

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Corinthians, who were in the relegation zone six weeks ago, showed a great performance and got 5 wins and 1 draw in the last six matches. 90+4, while leading 2-1 against International in the draw. He scored a goal in the next minute and the match ended 2-2.
Even if they win the remaining 4 matches, it is not possible to enter the top 6. Even if this is the case, Corinthians will want to continue this winning streak.
The other team I follow in this league is Fluminense. Will it stay in the league or be relegated to SeriB in the remaining 5 matches? It has a good squad and it will be played at home against teams like Cuiaba and Criciuma. They must get 6 points from these matches, otherwise they will be relegated to the lower league.

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It seems that Botafogo doesn't want to be champion again. Will they make the same mistake again? They just drew with AtléticoMG. As I said, this trophy goes to Fortaleza, but not because of their merit, but because of the opponent's stupidity.

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I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

A curiosity, I thought Gabigol was already at the end of his career, after all his attitudes seem very much like players who are already tired and at the end of their career, almost ready to retire, but he's only 28 years old Shocked

At 28 he could have been playing for a big team in Europe in peak performance, but he was one of many who went to Inter Milan early, at the age of 20, and wasn't mature enough to play at European level
One thing that gets in the way, and this is my opinion, but it seems that those who play for Flamengo tend to have a lot more time off than other teams, like he will play when he wants, he will not give their 100%, this is what I think

he played 10 matches in Europe, and only scored 2 goals

But after all, I bet he's going to do a good season in Cruzeiro next year

Yes, Gabigol is only 28 years old, he should be at his physical and technical peak, but apparently he is still quite immature, with several episodes of questionable behavior, like when Flamengo won the 2022 Libertadores and said they didn't need the Brazilian national team, like, there are several small things but in the end they show a lot of the player's personality... not to mention the singer phase using the nickname Liu Gabi lol lol...

I also think he can have a good season at Cruzeiro, after all it's a new environment and it could be good for him. I would really like him to go to Corinthians and bother you with his, let's say, "exotic" temperament lol

sports players don't usually have a long professional time, right? I mean, do we still find any players that are active after 45?
40 is probably already quite old age to be on the fields

then they usually pivot their careers to mansions, parties and other stuff I don't even know what...

In football, anyone over 33 is considered a veteran. A player who has not had a long history of injuries can perform well until he is 37 or 38 years old. It is very rare for a football player to live past 40 and play at a high level, and those who do are mostly goalkeepers. We had Zé Roberto and Valdo who played past 40, and now Cristiano Ronaldo will reach that high level, but these are extremely rare cases.

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 19, 2024, 11:11:54 AM

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I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

A curiosity, I thought Gabigol was already at the end of his career, after all his attitudes seem very much like players who are already tired and at the end of their career, almost ready to retire, but he's only 28 years old Shocked

At 28 he could have been playing for a big team in Europe in peak performance, but he was one of many who went to Inter Milan early, at the age of 20, and wasn't mature enough to play at European level
One thing that gets in the way, and this is my opinion, but it seems that those who play for Flamengo tend to have a lot more time off than other teams, like he will play when he wants, he will not give their 100%, this is what I think

he played 10 matches in Europe, and only scored 2 goals

But after all, I bet he's going to do a good season in Cruzeiro next year

This just shows that he prefers comfort to going abroad to make a name for himself and earn in a currency that is worth 10 times the local currency. He is not a performance player, he is a player who gets angry and can play well or badly. It is never constant, I would not bet anything on him from now on.

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Quote from: Pumared on November 18, 2024, 07:49:58 AM

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For me, there's no point in him going to another team if he's going to play the same way he did at Flamengo. In the end, it's all about him wanting to challenge himself. If he has everything in his hands at a new club, just like at Flamengo, there's no reason for him to become better or leave his comfort zone.

This is Gabigol 6th season playing with Flamengo and indeed always experiencing very significant decline in performance from each season, now he is bad Flamengo player and does not show any contribution, clearly this is not like when he was at the beginning of joining Flamengo who played very well.
It seems that leaving the comfort zone will also be difficult for Gabigol, there will be few European team interested in him in conditions like this, especially now that Europe is filled with many young stars and this is the reason for Gabigol difficulty in getting place there unless he only joins mediocre team.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 19, 2024, 07:18:33 AM

I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

A curiosity, I thought Gabigol was already at the end of his career, after all his attitudes seem very much like players who are already tired and at the end of their career, almost ready to retire, but he's only 28 years old Shocked

At 28 he could have been playing for a big team in Europe in peak performance, but he was one of many who went to Inter Milan early, at the age of 20, and wasn't mature enough to play at European level
One thing that gets in the way, and this is my opinion, but it seems that those who play for Flamengo tend to have a lot more time off than other teams, like he will play when he wants, he will not give their 100%, this is what I think

he played 10 matches in Europe, and only scored 2 goals

But after all, I bet he's going to do a good season in Cruzeiro next year

Yes, Gabigol is only 28 years old, he should be at his physical and technical peak, but apparently he is still quite immature, with several episodes of questionable behavior, like when Flamengo won the 2022 Libertadores and said they didn't need the Brazilian national team, like, there are several small things but in the end they show a lot of the player's personality... not to mention the singer phase using the nickname Liu Gabi lol lol...

I also think he can have a good season at Cruzeiro, after all it's a new environment and it could be good for him. I would really like him to go to Corinthians and bother you with his, let's say, "exotic" temperament lol

sports players don't usually have a long professional time, right? I mean, do we still find any players that are active after 45?
40 is probably already quite old age to be on the fields

then they usually pivot their careers to mansions, parties and other stuff I don't even know what...

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 19, 2024, 11:11:54 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 19, 2024, 07:18:33 AM

I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

A curiosity, I thought Gabigol was already at the end of his career, after all his attitudes seem very much like players who are already tired and at the end of their career, almost ready to retire, but he's only 28 years old Shocked

At 28 he could have been playing for a big team in Europe in peak performance, but he was one of many who went to Inter Milan early, at the age of 20, and wasn't mature enough to play at European level
One thing that gets in the way, and this is my opinion, but it seems that those who play for Flamengo tend to have a lot more time off than other teams, like he will play when he wants, he will not give their 100%, this is what I think

he played 10 matches in Europe, and only scored 2 goals

But after all, I bet he's going to do a good season in Cruzeiro next year

Yes, Gabigol is only 28 years old, he should be at his physical and technical peak, but apparently he is still quite immature, with several episodes of questionable behavior, like when Flamengo won the 2022 Libertadores and said they didn't need the Brazilian national team, like, there are several small things but in the end they show a lot of the player's personality... not to mention the singer phase using the nickname Liu Gabi lol lol...

I also think he can have a good season at Cruzeiro, after all it's a new environment and it could be good for him. I would really like him to go to Corinthians and bother you with his, let's say, "exotic" temperament lol

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 19, 2024, 07:18:33 AM

I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

A curiosity, I thought Gabigol was already at the end of his career, after all his attitudes seem very much like players who are already tired and at the end of their career, almost ready to retire, but he's only 28 years old Shocked

At 28 he could have been playing for a big team in Europe in peak performance, but he was one of many who went to Inter Milan early, at the age of 20, and wasn't mature enough to play at European level
One thing that gets in the way, and this is my opinion, but it seems that those who play for Flamengo tend to have a lot more time off than other teams, like he will play when he wants, he will not give their 100%, this is what I think

he played 10 matches in Europe, and only scored 2 goals

But after all, I bet he's going to do a good season in Cruzeiro next year

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I also think it's fair. He's an idol of the team, but there's no point in paying millions for him to play badly and not contribute anything else. Let him go to another team, at this point Gabigol just wants to make a lot of money and not play at all.

Gabigol has entered a kind of comfort zone that he can no longer leave. All he needs is to be challenged again. At Flamengo, he had everything in his hands: idol, great salary, long contract. It's the recipe for failure for someone who no longer wants to challenge himself. I hope he finds the football that made him famous again, but for that he needs to breathe new air. At Flamengo, the only thing he would achieve was to continue to do badly and end his playing career once and for all.

For me, there's no point in him going to another team if he's going to play the same way he did at Flamengo. In the end, it's all about him wanting to challenge himself. If he has everything in his hands at a new club, just like at Flamengo, there's no reason for him to become better or leave his comfort zone.

I don't know if he's capable of leaving his comfort zone. After all, he was taken off the team, was a reserve and on some occasions was the reserve's reserve, that is, the third option in attack... That should have been enough for him to realize that he needed to improve... But no... all he did was complain and blame others. It's typical of a person who plays the victim, who thinks that the problem is never them... What a shame. Because I would never trade Flamengo for Cruzeiro, they are two completely different realities. Flamengo is the team that most players dream of playing for, he should have given more value to the club and the fans.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 16, 2024, 08:05:13 AM

Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 04:00:09 PM

I also think it's fair. He's an idol of the team, but there's no point in paying millions for him to play badly and not contribute anything else. Let him go to another team, at this point Gabigol just wants to make a lot of money and not play at all.

Gabigol has entered a kind of comfort zone that he can no longer leave. All he needs is to be challenged again. At Flamengo, he had everything in his hands: idol, great salary, long contract. It's the recipe for failure for someone who no longer wants to challenge himself. I hope he finds the football that made him famous again, but for that he needs to breathe new air. At Flamengo, the only thing he would achieve was to continue to do badly and end his playing career once and for all.

For me, there's no point in him going to another team if he's going to play the same way he did at Flamengo. In the end, it's all about him wanting to challenge himself. If he has everything in his hands at a new club, just like at Flamengo, there's no reason for him to become better or leave his comfort zone.

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Finally, finally, finally Cheesy

All the teams now have the same number of games and we can see the table better Cheesy

Only 5 matches remaining, 15 points in dispute
Lots of cool stuff going on: 3 teams trying to be champions, a direct confrontation between Palmeiras and Botafogo, more spots in the Libertadores and a fierce fight against relegation

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Quote from: Pumared on November 15, 2024, 04:00:09 PM

I also think it's fair. He's an idol of the team, but there's no point in paying millions for him to play badly and not contribute anything else. Let him go to another team, at this point Gabigol just wants to make a lot of money and not play at all.

Gabigol has entered a kind of comfort zone that he can no longer leave. All he needs is to be challenged again. At Flamengo, he had everything in his hands: idol, great salary, long contract. It's the recipe for failure for someone who no longer wants to challenge himself. I hope he finds the football that made him famous again, but for that he needs to breathe new air. At Flamengo, the only thing he would achieve was to continue to do badly and end his playing career once and for all.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 15, 2024, 08:51:05 AM

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For Flamengo, the game was not worth much, the team is already qualified for the Libertadores and has no chance of anything in the Brazilian championship. And speaking of Flamengo, rumors have already started here that Flamengo will hire Neymar Junior to replace Gabigol who is going to Cruzeiro, Neymar has plans for the 2026 World Cup and no longer has a market in big European teams...

I bet Neymar will come to Santos to end his career, or at least play some seasons and maybe, just maybe, end in USA
I can't see another future for Neymar at the moment

At least here in Brazil he'll be able to play any day he wants, he'll be able to attend all the parties he wants, he'll be able to stop training because at Santos he has a lot of morals
Now I have some doubts about whether or not he'll play in the 2026 World Cup, we're almost at the end of 2024 and he's still constantly getting injured

He earned tons of money in South Arabia to play a few matches Tongue

I heard some rumors that he was going to make an offer to buy the Santos team, like what Ronaldo Nazario did at Cruzeiro, just imagine?

Now, in terms of sports, he himself has already said that one day he would play for Flamengo, and some time ago he bought a piece of land in Rio de Janeiro. His current team probably won't renew his contract and he'll probably be free in January... Gabigol leaving, Flamengo didn't even care, a reduction in the payroll to cover Neymar's salary... the signs are there... what do you think about that?

these are just rumours, right? I don't really think it is happpening

Gabigol leaving would probably ruin Flamengo, maybe even for more than one year, it would be devastating for their support from fans and put the team in some dark future times...
I hope we don't see it happening

Gabigol has had two very bad seasons. I recently read an interview with president Rodolfo Landim saying that he would like to offer him a longer contract, but the club has no guarantee that the player will be able to get out of this bad phase. If the player himself believed in this, he would accept a 1-year contract and if he did well, the club would renew it. I think the president is right. Gabigol needs to show that he is still capable of playing well, which he has not done in the last two years. And it doesn't make sense as a club administrator for the president to offer a very long contract with a very high salary to a player who has not been getting results on the field.

I also think it's fair. He's an idol of the team, but there's no point in paying millions for him to play badly and not contribute anything else. Let him go to another team, at this point Gabigol just wants to make a lot of money and not play at all.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 14, 2024, 10:12:29 AM

For Flamengo, the game was not worth much, the team is already qualified for the Libertadores and has no chance of anything in the Brazilian championship. And speaking of Flamengo, rumors have already started here that Flamengo will hire Neymar Junior to replace Gabigol who is going to Cruzeiro, Neymar has plans for the 2026 World Cup and no longer has a market in big European teams...

I bet Neymar will come to Santos to end his career, or at least play some seasons and maybe, just maybe, end in USA
I can't see another future for Neymar at the moment

At least here in Brazil he'll be able to play any day he wants, he'll be able to attend all the parties he wants, he'll be able to stop training because at Santos he has a lot of morals
Now I have some doubts about whether or not he'll play in the 2026 World Cup, we're almost at the end of 2024 and he's still constantly getting injured

He earned tons of money in South Arabia to play a few matches Tongue

I heard some rumors that he was going to make an offer to buy the Santos team, like what Ronaldo Nazario did at Cruzeiro, just imagine?

Now, in terms of sports, he himself has already said that one day he would play for Flamengo, and some time ago he bought a piece of land in Rio de Janeiro. His current team probably won't renew his contract and he'll probably be free in January... Gabigol leaving, Flamengo didn't even care, a reduction in the payroll to cover Neymar's salary... the signs are there... what do you think about that?

these are just rumours, right? I don't really think it is happpening

Gabigol leaving would probably ruin Flamengo, maybe even for more than one year, it would be devastating for their support from fans and put the team in some dark future times...
I hope we don't see it happening

Gabigol has had two very bad seasons. I recently read an interview with president Rodolfo Landim saying that he would like to offer him a longer contract, but the club has no guarantee that the player will be able to get out of this bad phase. If the player himself believed in this, he would accept a 1-year contract and if he did well, the club would renew it. I think the president is right. Gabigol needs to show that he is still capable of playing well, which he has not done in the last two years. And it doesn't make sense as a club administrator for the president to offer a very long contract with a very high salary to a player who has not been getting results on the field.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on November 14, 2024, 10:12:29 AM

For Flamengo, the game was not worth much, the team is already qualified for the Libertadores and has no chance of anything in the Brazilian championship. And speaking of Flamengo, rumors have already started here that Flamengo will hire Neymar Junior to replace Gabigol who is going to Cruzeiro, Neymar has plans for the 2026 World Cup and no longer has a market in big European teams...

I bet Neymar will come to Santos to end his career, or at least play some seasons and maybe, just maybe, end in USA
I can't see another future for Neymar at the moment

At least here in Brazil he'll be able to play any day he wants, he'll be able to attend all the parties he wants, he'll be able to stop training because at Santos he has a lot of morals
Now I have some doubts about whether or not he'll play in the 2026 World Cup, we're almost at the end of 2024 and he's still constantly getting injured

He earned tons of money in South Arabia to play a few matches Tongue

I heard some rumors that he was going to make an offer to buy the Santos team, like what Ronaldo Nazario did at Cruzeiro, just imagine?

Now, in terms of sports, he himself has already said that one day he would play for Flamengo, and some time ago he bought a piece of land in Rio de Janeiro. His current team probably won't renew his contract and he'll probably be free in January... Gabigol leaving, Flamengo didn't even care, a reduction in the payroll to cover Neymar's salary... the signs are there... what do you think about that?

these are just rumours, right? I don't really think it is happpening

Gabigol leaving would probably ruin Flamengo, maybe even for more than one year, it would be devastating for their support from fans and put the team in some dark future times...
I hope we don't see it happening

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