Reading through the PDF on the GOV Website, which was originally written 01/17/2017
This details which Specific BTC-e accounts Alex allegedly used and of which some had admin statuses etc. How do they have this kind of information without the server and backend of BTC-e?
The laundering charges are from 2012 and the rest they are clutching at straws...The site must be used mainly by criminals because some of the Users have Hack in their usernames?
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BS, the US don't legally classify Bitcoin as money, and that's what matters, unless they go though the motions of doing that first they can only pursue transactions that involve fiat, and other legal tender, under money laundering laws.
From E-Gold case:
"However, in its actions from 2006-2008, the U.S. Treasury Department in conjunction with the United States Department of Justice stretched the definition of money transmitter in the USA Patriot Act to include any system that allows transfer of any kind of value from one person to another, not merely national currency or cash."
And that was 10 years ago so imagine what they consider under definition of money transmitter today. Maybe even wearing clothes would fall under that stretched definition or money transmitting
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"We will hold accountable foreign-located money transmitters, including virtual currency exchangers, that do business in the United States when they willfully violate U.S. AML laws."
translation:
No matter where you are, where you're from, what you trade; we are coming for you and you will go to jail.
translation:
No matter where you are, where you're from, what you trade; we are coming for you and you will go to jail.
BS, the US don't legally classify Bitcoin as money, and that's what matters, unless they go though the motions of doing that first they can only pursue transactions that involve fiat, and other legal tender, under money laundering laws.
As for "their coming for you"
The US are still trying to extradite Kim Dotcom and Jullian Assange.
Mt Gox is a case that is going on in Japan where Mt Gox was based, not the US.
The whole US vs BTC-e thing is an anti-Russian propaganda move, which has little to do with law enforcement.
If the countries where BTC-e are based feel their laws are being broken, they are quite capable of enforcing it themselves.
I think I read that the MtGox hack was due to a vulnerability in their code.. You could double-spend coins. Something like sending from Gox wallet to your own, then aborting the transaction. MtGox thought the coins was still in the wallet and allowed you to trade with them, while you still received the funds to your local wallet. Something like that. And ofc people took advantage of it. It wasn't a backdoor or something, just a bug (and a serious one) in the code. Once it was discovered, a ton of coins on gox was already spent, making transactions out of Gox fail. Not much to do when a large portion of the coins in your wallet doesn't belong to you anymore.
So it wasn't really a "hack the server and run away with a ton of coins" from what I understand, more of a gradual siphoning over time.
So it wasn't really a "hack the server and run away with a ton of coins" from what I understand, more of a gradual siphoning over time.
money laundering yes.. hacking/theft, no.. how should a prostecutor convince a judge, that he has been hacking, or stealing money - when all he did was laundring them? in most countries that would never happend, and in the usa they actually need proofs in criminal cases
someone said that he is an acomplish of the mtgox hack because he laundered money for the people who did it, after it happend. this is not true. he would have to be directly involved in the hack, injection something, written a code or similiar. a court would never charge him for that. and it wasnt in the charges against him either.
if you have debitcards on sites that are linked to btc-e i advice you strongly to empty your cards immediatly.. especially if there are russians behind the sites
if you have debitcards on sites that are linked to btc-e i advice you strongly to empty your cards immediatly.. especially if there are russians behind the sites
I have said it and you are wrong or otherwise nobody would be prosecuted for money laundering. Check E-Gold case. E-Gold owner probably wasn't even aware of particular illegal activities but was charged for money laundering and even pleaded guilty (https://www.wired.com/2008/07/e-gold-founder/).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-gold
"At its peak in 2006 e-gold was processing more than US$2 billion worth of spends per year.", "e-gold Ltd. was incorporated in Nevis, Saint Kitts and Nevis with operations conducted out of Florida, USA."
"However, in its actions from 2006-2008, the U.S. Treasury Department in conjunction with the United States Department of Justice stretched the definition of money transmitter in the USA Patriot Act to include any system that allows transfer of any kind of value from one person to another, not merely national currency or cash."
diffrent things happends, when you connect to btc-e.com from locations around the world. like sweden gives the ssl error, and germany pings out and findland goes to the maintence site
someone said that he is an acomplish of the mtgox hack because he laundered money for the people who did it, after it happend. this is not true. he would have to be directly involved in the hack, injection something, written a code or similiar. a court would never charge him for that. and it wasnt in the charges against him either.
if you have debitcards on sites that are linked to btc-e i advice you strongly to empty your cards immediatly.. especially if there are russians behind the sites
if you have debitcards on sites that are linked to btc-e i advice you strongly to empty your cards immediatly.. especially if there are russians behind the sites
Man, I got really pissed at btc-e for banning me from the trollbox a few days ago so I withdrew all my money from there..
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
Well i got burned a bit. Wish they had banned me from that chat
Ps. You still owe me a copy of your book
The #1 tip from my book was to withdraw from btc-e, but it got held up at the publishers...
Good to see some trollboxers are still alive and kicking
We need a replacement really, it was the best thing about the exchange by far.
Man, I got really pissed at btc-e for banning me from the trollbox a few days ago so I withdrew all my money from there..
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
Well i got burned a bit. Wish they had banned me from that chat
Ps. You still owe me a copy of your book
and people must understand that he is NOT suspected for being behind the mtGox hack - he is suspected for laundering money that came from the mtGox wallets. nothing else. analysis shows a moneyflow into btc-e, this is a fact. and this is why he is arrested. not for being behind the mtGox hack.
Laundering money through unlicensed exchange makes him accomplice with that hacker unless he can prove that he was not aware that he was used for that but since WizSec found his name long before then it seems that "WME" was keeping this issue unsolved for long time.
Check http://archive.is/6cFcY (at skype capture https://archive.is/6cFcY/1d5539131aad6491174158318495560bf91dd784.png you can find Alexander Vinnik name posted by WME user, 5 years ago).
Only 5-6 exchangers are licensed. I am wondering why the people are using shit ones like BTC-e. I said for so many times that unlicensed exchangers will be closed.
Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex (based in USA). None of them are MSB. Again, it doesn't matter that they are registered with FINCEN. It means NOTHING.
They must be MSB prior to that. These ones will be closed, funds seized and so on.
Maybe because some of us would like to avoid US based exchanges like cancer ?
and people must understand that he is NOT suspected for being behind the mtGox hack - he is suspected for laundering money that came from the mtGox wallets. nothing else. analysis shows a moneyflow into btc-e, this is a fact. and this is why he is arrested. not for being behind the mtGox hack.
Laundering money through unlicensed exchange makes him accomplice with that hacker unless he can prove that he was not aware that he was used for that but since WizSec found his name long before then it seems that "WME" was keeping this issue unsolved for long time.
Check http://archive.is/6cFcY (at skype capture https://archive.is/6cFcY/1d5539131aad6491174158318495560bf91dd784.png you can find Alexander Vinnik name posted by WME user, 5 years ago).
Only 5-6 exchangers are licensed. I am wondering why the people are using shit ones like BTC-e. I said for so many times that unlicensed exchangers will be closed.
- Privacy, why should anyone be allowed to monitor my transactions?
- No KYC, why should I have to send my documents off to strangers to do business?
- Deposit/Withdraw options, there was a lot of options, PayPal, PerfectMoney, OKPAY etc... Very useful to get funds to and from some of these processors.
- Long term in business
- Anonymous owners, makes it harder to target with social engineering or through the legal system (as we've seen now, one admin is still on the loose).
- You can't really be fully complicit with the law in this day and age. That is wishful thinking. So even so called "regulated exchanges" can at the end of the day break laws, that puts them in jeopardy.
- Exchanges that are "regulated" also get hacked and fail as we've seen many examples of.
- Ideological reasons such as supporting the right to freely transact and the right to privacy.
So much this!!! Plus User Interface was the friendliest of all exchangers I've seen.
If US prosecutors can prove that Alex got those stolen money directly from that hacker and if Alex used those those coins for BTC-e client withdrawals or to trade them into any exchange, it is then over for him. Any prosecutor will not start operation unless they have strong evidences. Well, Alex is not into chemical weapons business anyway as one another guy was falsely labeled and executed without evidences.
In the US Bitcoin is not money.
If they are going to charge with money laundering they have to talk about the flow of fiat currencies specifically $US
translation:
No matter where you are, where you're from, what you trade; we are coming for you and you will go to jail.
and people must understand that he is NOT suspected for being behind the mtGox hack - he is suspected for laundering money that came from the mtGox wallets. nothing else. analysis shows a moneyflow into btc-e, this is a fact. and this is why he is arrested. not for being behind the mtGox hack.
Laundering money through unlicensed exchange makes him accomplice with that hacker unless he can prove that he was not aware that he was used for that but since WizSec found his name long before then it seems that "WME" was keeping this issue unsolved for long time.
Check http://archive.is/6cFcY (at skype capture https://archive.is/6cFcY/1d5539131aad6491174158318495560bf91dd784.png you can find Alexander Vinnik name posted by WME user, 5 years ago).
Only 5-6 exchangers are licensed. I am wondering why the people are using shit ones like BTC-e. I said for so many times that unlicensed exchangers will be closed.
- Privacy, why should anyone be allowed to monitor my transactions?
- No KYC, why should I have to send my documents off to strangers to do business?
- Deposit/Withdraw options, there was a lot of options, PayPal, PerfectMoney, OKPAY etc... Very useful to get funds to and from some of these processors.
- Long term in business
- Anonymous owners, makes it harder to target with social engineering or through the legal system (as we've seen now, one admin is still on the loose).
- You can't really be fully complicit with the law in this day and age. That is wishful thinking. So even so called "regulated exchanges" can at the end of the day break laws, that puts them in jeopardy.
- Exchanges that are "regulated" also get hacked and fail as we've seen many examples of.
- Ideological reasons such as supporting the right to freely transact and the right to privacy.
^^
All that plus btc-e had a decent API that actually worked reliably, unlike nearly all the other exchanges.
and people must understand that he is NOT suspected for being behind the mtGox hack - he is suspected for laundering money that came from the mtGox wallets. nothing else. analysis shows a moneyflow into btc-e, this is a fact. and this is why he is arrested. not for being behind the mtGox hack.
Laundering money through unlicensed exchange makes him accomplice with that hacker unless he can prove that he was not aware that he was used for that but since WizSec found his name long before then it seems that "WME" was keeping this issue unsolved for long time.
Check http://archive.is/6cFcY (at skype capture https://archive.is/6cFcY/1d5539131aad6491174158318495560bf91dd784.png you can find Alexander Vinnik name posted by WME user, 5 years ago).
Only 5-6 exchangers are licensed. I am wondering why the people are using shit ones like BTC-e. I said for so many times that unlicensed exchangers will be closed.
- Privacy, why should anyone be allowed to monitor my transactions?
- No KYC, why should I have to send my documents off to strangers to do business?
- Deposit/Withdraw options, there was a lot of options, PayPal, PerfectMoney, OKPAY etc... Very useful to get funds to and from some of these processors.
- Long term in business
- Anonymous owners, makes it harder to target with social engineering or through the legal system (as we've seen now, one admin is still on the loose).
- You can't really be fully complicit with the law in this day and age. That is wishful thinking. So even so called "regulated exchanges" can at the end of the day break laws, that puts them in jeopardy.
- Exchanges that are "regulated" also get hacked and fail as we've seen many examples of.
- Ideological reasons such as supporting the right to freely transact and the right to privacy.
Man, I got really pissed at btc-e for banning me from the trollbox a few days ago so I withdrew all my money from there..
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
lolol that bullshit banhammer was fucked. Its like it was tuned it to filter out all the smart and funny guys and leave a bunch of semiliterate English-as-a-second-language ass-candles talking pocket money investing.
At least you got your money
I wonder why they are using CloudFlare though, as it's a US based hosting provider. That should give the feds full access to the servers to do anything they want really. I would have thought they would move away from CloudFlare asap if they have any intention of getting the site back up.
It's for DDOS protection. Not many providers who offer that at affordable rates. They are just using CloudFlare as a shield. The servers are located elsewhere.
Man, I got really pissed at btc-e for banning me from the trollbox a few days ago so I withdrew all my money from there..
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
So yeah, a big thank you to the btc-e admin team.
By the way, is there any link between btc-e and BTCex? https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTCex
Karpeles seemed to have trouble with them back in 2011 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-vs-mysterious-russia-6931
Definitely seems like someone is messing around. Seems like a good sign that it goes up and down, but still shows the same page when it's up.
The Prepare For relaunch is underway I feel sure
Btc-e is a huge money printing machine, no fucking way on earth are they going to walk away from it. Despite all the morbid ghouls on this thread and their doom-mongering, BTCE will relaunch but with All TrollBox Bans Lifted, and free sex on the guided tours of their new Bulgarian offices
i love you;)
Only 5-6 exchangers are licensed. I am wondering why the people are using shit ones like BTC-e. I said for so many times that unlicensed exchangers will be closed.
Kraken, Poloniex, Bittrex (based in USA). None of them are MSB. Again, it doesn't matter that they are registered with FINCEN. It means NOTHING.
They must be MSB prior to that. These ones will be closed, funds seized and so on.
BTC-e is not in the US, so it doesn't have to be licensed in the US. That's a pretty good reason to use it too.
There is no law that requires the licensing of a crypto exchange, the laws are for transferring fiat to another person, not crypto.
People seem to be having a hard time with this simple concept in this thread.
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