Demands for the btc-e reboot next week:
1) Amnesty for all banned trollbox posters
2) Full restoration of funds
3) no more hiding in the shadows from admin
4) 10% bonus to all fund holders
5) Free cakes ever Friday
Let this be an end to the mater
Topic: BTC-e hacked ?? - page 112. (Read 199749 times)
Gox Party = Dump Party 
Dump for what? Only good missing tens of thousands of btc from trading.
I'm surprised BTC is still above 2500$. But maybe it need some days until we see the big crash. Do you think we have to wait the 5-10 days until the community start to dump?
This sucks
^^^ btc-e trollbox refugee
I can't wait until btc-e opens up again and things get back to normal
What happened to your statement that BTC-e closed exchanges because as you said "staff to believe that an attack similar to the ETC syphon attack after the ETH fork was being prepared for August 1st"?
he has the right to post positive nonsense just like most shills here and media outlets out there are posting negative nonsense.
This sucks
^^^ btc-e trollbox refugee
I can't wait until btc-e opens up again and things get back to normal
What happened to your statement that BTC-e closed exchanges because as you said "staff to believe that an attack similar to the ETC syphon attack after the ETH fork was being prepared for August 1st"?
I was stringing nonsense pulled out of my ass to fill the vacuum of information. cathartic really
This sucks
^^^ btc-e trollbox refugee
I can't wait until btc-e opens up again and things get back to normal
What happened to your statement that BTC-e closed exchanges because as you said "staff to believe that an attack similar to the ETC syphon attack after the ETH fork was being prepared for August 1st"?
This sucks
^^^ btc-e trollbox refugee
I can't wait until btc-e opens up again and things get back to normal
The FBI, US government or similar can do _nothing_ about foreign companies. US laws applies in the US, not in other countries.
I beg to differ
Translated from Russian
BTC-e's chief moderator:
In fact, knowing not by hearsay (by a walk through the old "not local" and possible new comments), in order to restore at least an approximate existing infrastructure on the new site, it is necessary to take about a week (3 days at least to rest and get drunk), everything here will depend on the reliability and packing Backup data and communication channel with the new DC ...
plus do not forget that there are also "political" moments in the placement of such services ...
PySy that, when, how and where they hosted and hosted it is not for me to say ...
There is a good chance that the btc-e exchange will resume its work.
I advise you, dear readers, not to make hasty conclusions, conclusions and not to read jaundice. It is worthwhile to understand that the media are now rejoicing against the background of this event, tearing away large traffic and causing panic.
I would like to remind you about 2 hacking of the BTZ-E exchange a couple of years ago. The exchange paid all to a penny in the currency in which it was stolen.
BTC-e's chief moderator:
In fact, knowing not by hearsay (by a walk through the old "not local" and possible new comments), in order to restore at least an approximate existing infrastructure on the new site, it is necessary to take about a week (3 days at least to rest and get drunk), everything here will depend on the reliability and packing Backup data and communication channel with the new DC ...
plus do not forget that there are also "political" moments in the placement of such services ...
PySy that, when, how and where they hosted and hosted it is not for me to say ...
There is a good chance that the btc-e exchange will resume its work.
I advise you, dear readers, not to make hasty conclusions, conclusions and not to read jaundice. It is worthwhile to understand that the media are now rejoicing against the background of this event, tearing away large traffic and causing panic.
I would like to remind you about 2 hacking of the BTZ-E exchange a couple of years ago. The exchange paid all to a penny in the currency in which it was stolen.
Not from hearsay? Hmm, so he was in direct contact with one of the operators?
Well, might be a game changer. And to all who write that the last twitter statement is to give them time to run or hide something. Really, are you stupid? Either its done or not, an official statement wont change a thing.
US might have pushed it?
I thought I wrote it openly (no reading between lines required) that the Swiss banks were demanded to provide details of the accounts opened by the US citizens. Not Russian, Canadian, or whatever, but American citizens specifically:
Wasn't that you who claimed that the US government can do nothing about foreign companies? As it turns out, the Department of Justice (part of the US government) can do pretty much. In fact, they can do pretty much all with anything which involves international finances. I guess you now wanna tell that exchanges have nothing to do with that, right?
I thought I wrote it openly (no reading between lines required) that the Swiss banks were demanded to provide details of the accounts opened by the US citizens. Not Russian, Canadian, or whatever, but American citizens specifically:
In this case the exchange is not classified as a bank, it has no overseeing agency that can threaten them with sanctions and so on. It's a normal business. Also a business that has already taken big precautions to avoid any such illegal activities and open to auditing, making it even harder for anyone to motivate a sieze
Wasn't that you who claimed that the US government can do nothing about foreign companies? As it turns out, the Department of Justice (part of the US government) can do pretty much. In fact, they can do pretty much all with anything which involves international finances. I guess you now wanna tell that exchanges have nothing to do with that, right?
The DOJ sued swiss banks established in the US, therefore required to follow US law. The DOJ can't litigate a company abroad. And no, being an official registered bank comes with a ton of regulation you need to adhere to, including taking orders from FATF . Crypto exchanges are not banks just because they deal with money.
What the US can do is put pressure on local governments and force them to act by other sanctions, but they can't directly sue the company itself if it's not established on US soil. Anyway, going way off-topic.
Oh, really? Then what about the North Korean financial system being cut off from SWIFT?
Which happened right after the US military failed miserably to scare Kim Jong-un into obedience. You can say that this decision was part of the UN imposed sanctions, right? But what about the US pushing the same agenda in respect to Russia, which itself is a permanent member of the UN Security Council with a veto power? Further, what Swiss banks are established in the US? Swiss banks are obviously established in Switzerland, not in the US, otherwise they wouldn't be Swiss banks in the first place. Okay, let's leave banks alone, but what about then Hong Kong-based Bitfinex, a Bitcoin exchange (just in case), which has no connection with the US whatsoever, and which, nevertheless, had been attacked by the CFTC ordering the exchange to pay something like 75,000 dollars in penalties?
Translated from Russian
BTC-e's chief moderator:
In fact, knowing not by hearsay (by a walk through the old "not local" and possible new comments), in order to restore at least an approximate existing infrastructure on the new site, it is necessary to take about a week (3 days at least to rest and get drunk), everything here will depend on the reliability and packing Backup data and communication channel with the new DC ...
plus do not forget that there are also "political" moments in the placement of such services ...
PySy that, when, how and where they hosted and hosted it is not for me to say ...
There is a good chance that the btc-e exchange will resume its work.
I advise you, dear readers, not to make hasty conclusions, conclusions and not to read jaundice. It is worthwhile to understand that the media are now rejoicing against the background of this event, tearing away large traffic and causing panic.
I would like to remind you about 2 hacking of the BTZ-E exchange a couple of years ago. The exchange paid all to a penny in the currency in which it was stolen.
Please post source of this message from btc-e mod. BTC-e's chief moderator:
In fact, knowing not by hearsay (by a walk through the old "not local" and possible new comments), in order to restore at least an approximate existing infrastructure on the new site, it is necessary to take about a week (3 days at least to rest and get drunk), everything here will depend on the reliability and packing Backup data and communication channel with the new DC ...
plus do not forget that there are also "political" moments in the placement of such services ...
PySy that, when, how and where they hosted and hosted it is not for me to say ...
There is a good chance that the btc-e exchange will resume its work.
I advise you, dear readers, not to make hasty conclusions, conclusions and not to read jaundice. It is worthwhile to understand that the media are now rejoicing against the background of this event, tearing away large traffic and causing panic.
I would like to remind you about 2 hacking of the BTZ-E exchange a couple of years ago. The exchange paid all to a penny in the currency in which it was stolen.
I feel like Mayzus and OKPAY is at a huge risk to be brought down by similar charges as btc-e and liberty reserve. It's a game of cat and mouse, and I'm rooting for the mouse.
Depends on the level of Mayzus and OKPAY managers involvement into illegal activity but most likely is that only btc-e accounts will be blocked. Mayzus and OKPAY are established companies.
BTC-e status is unknow. How BTC-e owners paid their yearly income taxes and all expenses, there must be some company or person filling yearly income taxes or have they been cashing out their profits through other exchanges.
Told you the gates of hell would open did Eye not>>>>>last song >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rS6mZUo3fg
Straight from the horse's mouth:
Russian National And Bitcoin Exchange Charged In 21-Count Indictment For Operating Alleged International Money Laundering Scheme And Allegedly Laundering Funds From Hack Of Mt. Gox
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged
I can't see Putin or the Russians not doing anything in retaliation for this arrest.
I don't see this as a big deal for Russia authorities Russian National And Bitcoin Exchange Charged In 21-Count Indictment For Operating Alleged International Money Laundering Scheme And Allegedly Laundering Funds From Hack Of Mt. Gox
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged
I can't see Putin or the Russians not doing anything in retaliation for this arrest.
This sucks
In short, is there any real difference between a "licensed" and "unlicensed" exchange (unless this license is confirmed by Washington, of course)?
Licensed exchange = prosecutor must say which accounts have been used for illegal business, exchange will most likely continue to operate depending on the scope of illegal activities and operators involvement into presumed illegal activity, and in case like current BTC-e situation, country of person's origin could become a party in extradition proceedings proving that their citizen has not broken any laws and depending of their treaties they could demand that their citizen be extradited back to his country of origin.
Unlicensed exchange = entire exchange business will be presumed illegal unless proven otherwise AFTER investigation is fully completed (remember E-gold case) and country of person's origin can not have significant role into extradition proceedings because they are not formally aware of any activities that their citizen was conducting.
Because of uncertainty of extradition of 3rd party citizens, US prosecutors might not conduct the same method to other exchange owners unless they can prove additional illegal activities.
The FBI, US government or similar can do _nothing_ about foreign companies. US laws applies in the US, not in other countries.
That's false presumption. Many countries are having treaty with US to hand them over financial information about US citizens actives and if some company or a person is constantly receiving money from US persons or accounts and which is not complying with those treaties, that's enough for US to start an investigation. Why do you think that online gambling sites do not accept US accounts?! Also case against established company is different then the case again a person.
US might have pushed it?
I thought I wrote it openly (no reading between lines required) that the Swiss banks were demanded to provide details of the accounts opened by the US citizens. Not Russian, Canadian, or whatever, but American citizens specifically:
Wasn't that you who claimed that the US government can do nothing about foreign companies? As it turns out, the Department of Justice (part of the US government) can do pretty much. In fact, they can do pretty much all with anything which involves international finances. I guess you now wanna tell that exchanges have nothing to do with that, right?
I thought I wrote it openly (no reading between lines required) that the Swiss banks were demanded to provide details of the accounts opened by the US citizens. Not Russian, Canadian, or whatever, but American citizens specifically:
In this case the exchange is not classified as a bank, it has no overseeing agency that can threaten them with sanctions and so on. It's a normal business. Also a business that has already taken big precautions to avoid any such illegal activities and open to auditing, making it even harder for anyone to motivate a sieze
Wasn't that you who claimed that the US government can do nothing about foreign companies? As it turns out, the Department of Justice (part of the US government) can do pretty much. In fact, they can do pretty much all with anything which involves international finances. I guess you now wanna tell that exchanges have nothing to do with that, right?
The DOJ sued swiss banks established in the US, therefore required to follow US law. The DOJ can't litigate a company abroad. And no, being an official registered bank comes with a ton of regulation you need to adhere to, including taking orders from FATF . Crypto exchanges are not banks just because they deal with money.
What the US can do is put pressure on local governments and force them to act by other sanctions, but they can't directly sue the company itself if it's not established on US soil. Anyway, going way off-topic.
You must be kidding, dude
The Swiss banks were as legitimate as legitimacy itself can be defined. These banks had been bragging about the bank secrecy they were granting for decades if not for ages (heck, they still seem to keep the Jewish gold that Nazis had taken for the Jews in Germany under Hitler). And now you may want to think again whether "the FBI, US government or similar" had nothing to do with these banks all of a sudden choosing to fully disclose the bank account details of their clients which have the US citizenship, and, ironically, exactly to the parties you just mentioned. Is it a coincidence, and if it is not, then what is it?
The Swiss banks were as legitimate as legitimacy itself can be defined. These banks had been bragging about the bank secrecy they were granting for decades if not for ages (heck, they still seem to keep the Jewish gold that Nazis had taken for the Jews in Germany under Hitler). And now you may want to think again whether "the FBI, US government or similar" had nothing to do with these banks all of a sudden choosing to fully disclose the bank account details of their clients which have the US citizenship, and, ironically, exactly to the parties you just mentioned. Is it a coincidence, and if it is not, then what is it?
Getting a little sidetracked here, but yes - the banks were legal, but they had no audit at all of the funds coming in or out, making it a paradise for tax evasion, money laundry and such. Who hasn't heard of a Swiss bank account in movies and such? The pressure came from Financial Action Task Force (FATF) that the swiss banks needed to update their regulation as a high percentage of accounts was used for illegal activities, which they also did. FATF is not US based, but a cooperation between countries (think UN or NATO for banks
). Sure the US might have pushed it too, but it was a unanimous vote and the Swiss banks agreedUS might have pushed it?
I thought I wrote it openly (no reading between lines required) that the Swiss banks were demanded to provide details of the accounts opened by the US citizens. Not Russian, Canadian, or whatever, but American citizens specifically:
In this case the exchange is not classified as a bank, it has no overseeing agency that can threaten them with sanctions and so on. It's a normal business. Also a business that has already taken big precautions to avoid any such illegal activities and open to auditing, making it even harder for anyone to motivate a sieze
Wasn't that you who claimed that the US government can do nothing about foreign companies? As it turns out, the Department of Justice (part of the US government) can do pretty much. In fact, they can do pretty much all with anything which involves international finances. I guess you now wanna tell that exchanges have nothing to do with that, right?
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