Topic: BTC-e hacked ?? - page 93. (Read 199749 times)
Can't foreign investors sue the Justice Department in the US if they don't get their money back? Afterall they're taking money from people outside the US following laws that are not their laws. This is basically like stealing since most people in BTC-e were not doing anything wrong basically.
Looks like the US gov want some of their money. They will have to pay up and block US customers to even have a chance of coming back. This is provided they haven't been involved with hacking mtgox. Doesn't look good.
Hi,
I hope everyone here is okay.
BTC-e domain has been shut by the US gov.
Anyone can go to any web anonymization website and just enter btc-e.com. They will then be taken to the same FBI domain seizure page as shown above.
http://webanonymizer.org/
http://notsharingmy.info/web-anonymizer/
https://2ip.io/anonim/
Enter btc-e.com - get the result.
NOW about BTC-e.
BTC-e has two other exchange websites, both of which are unaffected (yet) and they are still making money from it. xBTC-e and Exmo!
Anyone can check that very easily. Just type in btc-e.ru in the address box. It will take you to exmo.me directly.
On a positive note, BTC-e should defend itself. I have read the whole warrant word by word. Most of the arguments used by the prosecutors are useless and can be defended quite easily even by a lay person without the use a lawyers. The fine is something that can take years to settle if the case goes to court, during which time BTC-e can easily rebuild itself. Even Polo and other exchanges do not ask for too much personal identification or verification. They are not following the same AML and KYC laws either. They basically just need a valid email address. BTC-e can come back and set a daily limit like Polo on withdrawals. They can also ask all members to send in their verification documents. However, with more than a million users, I don't think it will be that easy. But then they can legitimise their business and follow the AML and KYC laws. Alternatively, they can just stop doing business with North American customers.
There are still many possibilities.
Hope is a good thing.
But then too much hopium can be poisonous.
I wish everyone all the best.
From the BTC-e trollbox
doctorkesh
I hope everyone here is okay.
BTC-e domain has been shut by the US gov.
Anyone can go to any web anonymization website and just enter btc-e.com. They will then be taken to the same FBI domain seizure page as shown above.
http://webanonymizer.org/
http://notsharingmy.info/web-anonymizer/
https://2ip.io/anonim/
Enter btc-e.com - get the result.
NOW about BTC-e.
BTC-e has two other exchange websites, both of which are unaffected (yet) and they are still making money from it. xBTC-e and Exmo!
Anyone can check that very easily. Just type in btc-e.ru in the address box. It will take you to exmo.me directly.
On a positive note, BTC-e should defend itself. I have read the whole warrant word by word. Most of the arguments used by the prosecutors are useless and can be defended quite easily even by a lay person without the use a lawyers. The fine is something that can take years to settle if the case goes to court, during which time BTC-e can easily rebuild itself. Even Polo and other exchanges do not ask for too much personal identification or verification. They are not following the same AML and KYC laws either. They basically just need a valid email address. BTC-e can come back and set a daily limit like Polo on withdrawals. They can also ask all members to send in their verification documents. However, with more than a million users, I don't think it will be that easy. But then they can legitimise their business and follow the AML and KYC laws. Alternatively, they can just stop doing business with North American customers.
There are still many possibilities.
Hope is a good thing.
But then too much hopium can be poisonous.
I wish everyone all the best.
From the BTC-e trollbox
doctorkesh
For several years now I have considered America the enemy of freedom.
This just adds another brick in that wall.
The world will awaken.
This just adds another brick in that wall.
The world will awaken.
Well, I'm not saying there is a good outcome here. I don't think there will be. But I also don't think Vinnik is an owner, nor has access to BTC-E's storage. If you read the Russian forums, those who have been in contact with the owners and admins over the years -- none of them recognize this Vinnik. I don't think the owners would step foot in Greece, either.
But this might all be irrelevant. What matters is that the feds want to shut down BTC-E. What the feds want, they usually get
But this might all be irrelevant. What matters is that the feds want to shut down BTC-E. What the feds want, they usually get
This is not always the case
Sometimes they fail miserably. They wanted Snowden extradited, and they had to back off eventually. If the Russian government steps in, all those bald eagles may have to fuck off instantly. Say, Putin through his minions like Greff allows the owners to restart the exchange under whatever name in Russia or in some friendly country or territory (like Abkhazia or Mongolia). In fact, there were certain rumors that Btc-e exchange is (was) strongly affiliated with Sberbank, the biggest Russian state-owned bank. For example, Btc-e has never had any issues with Yandex.Money (at least, as long as I remember), the online payment processing service owned by Sberbank. Further, fiat transactions seem to have been processed via Mongolian companies (banks) where Uncle Sam has no footing altogether. So it all mostly comes down to safety of the crypto wallets and whether the FBI managed to seize any coins
Indeed, sometimes they fail miserably in political situations against e.g. Russia. But I don't see that happening here. BTC-E was banned in Russia long ago (hence the popularity of the .nz domain). I believe they were on BTC-E.ru and moved to .com and supposedly to Bulgaria because of this. And Russia is still busy banning access to exchanges today. Why change stance here and now? If they've never had any issues with Yandex, I'm not sure it follows that they are cozy with the Russian government. Agreed, it seems likely that their bank accounts in Mongolia are untouched, so if there was not much to freeze in their 3rd party Okpay/Moneypolo accounts, that might explain the lack of mention of funds being seized by the feds.
But even if most of their fiat and crypto are intact...and absent some highly political intervention by e.g. Russia, how can they survive under constant threat from the FBI? Operate like the Pirate Bay did and constantly shift domains? How can they manage to pay people fiat? I suppose shell company payment processors work in the poker world (to some extent), maybe it could still work for BTC-E. It just seems far fetched to me at this point, without some miracle intervention like you mentioned. That would be interesting as hell, though.
I certainly know about the overall negative attitude of the Russian government toward Bitcoin in the past years. But if we are to get things as straight as possible, Bitcoin has never been banned in Russia. All these years it remained in gray zone entirely. But recently this attitude seem to have started to change dramatically, so the question is now about legalizing Bitcoin in Russia (regardless of Btc-e), at least to a certain degree. In this manner, protecting the money of Russian citizens (which were the most numerous group of traders at this exchange) may be the step in that direction, especially given the current political circumstances and tensions rising between the US and Russia
Anyway, we can only wait and see right now
Indeed, sometimes they fail miserably in political situations against e.g. Russia. But I don't see that happening here. BTC-E was banned in Russia long ago (hence the popularity of the .nz domain). I believe they were on BTC-E.ru and moved to .com and supposedly to Bulgaria because of this. And Russia is still busy banning access to exchanges today. Why change stance here and now? If they've never had any issues with Yandex, I'm not sure it follows that they are cozy with the Russian government. Agreed, it seems likely that their bank accounts in Mongolia are untouched, so if there was not much to freeze in their 3rd party Okpay/Moneypolo accounts, that might explain the lack of mention of funds being seized by the feds.
But even if most of their fiat and crypto are intact...and absent some highly political intervention by e.g. Russia, how can they survive under constant threat from the FBI? Operate like the Pirate Bay did and constantly shift domains? How can they manage to pay people fiat? I suppose shell company payment processors work in the poker world (to some extent), maybe it could still work for BTC-E. It just seems far fetched to me at this point, without some miracle intervention like you mentioned. That would be interesting as hell, though.
But even if most of their fiat and crypto are intact...and absent some highly political intervention by e.g. Russia, how can they survive under constant threat from the FBI? Operate like the Pirate Bay did and constantly shift domains? How can they manage to pay people fiat? I suppose shell company payment processors work in the poker world (to some extent), maybe it could still work for BTC-E. It just seems far fetched to me at this point, without some miracle intervention like you mentioned. That would be interesting as hell, though.
You know libertyreserve never had the possibility to directly withdraw money and I think it is a good business model. Why btce needs fiat to withdraw? It would be a light version of btce, but nobody could do anything against it. And I guess withdrawals would be possible somehow anyway, of course with a higher fee.
original article
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3368462
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https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3368462
translation
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Very good article.
As I see it, wallets & server infrastructure are intact.
Vinnic is by no means owner, so team is intact.
They just need a new base of opperations.
they can return as coins-only exchange and replace USD with USDT or similar. With some limit on withdrawals at first of course.
If they chose to Run away with everything is another matter.
could this be still 'man in the middle' attack. the fact that https is still there and http is being used to send the image. they could easily shutdown https. no??
or it could be us having dns pointing to https. lets hope the us of a doesnt get its hands on the servers and all data. some people did say few hours prior that the api is still accessible. not sure how. I dont have an api with btc-e.
edit: this also reminded of that one bs in the past.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/no-the-feds-didnt-seize-your-domain-youve-just-been-punked/
however the lack of word from btce and no fixing the website does suggest otherwise. I really hope they were not running their shit from EU
or it could be us having dns pointing to https. lets hope the us of a doesnt get its hands on the servers and all data. some people did say few hours prior that the api is still accessible. not sure how. I dont have an api with btc-e.
edit: this also reminded of that one bs in the past.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/no-the-feds-didnt-seize-your-domain-youve-just-been-punked/
however the lack of word from btce and no fixing the website does suggest otherwise. I really hope they were not running their shit from EU
I guess we are all been pranked. there must be something really fishy about btc-e shutting down and am sure they never knew whats gonna come after them
guyz, there is still hope. as far as i can see, they only got the fukin domain under control, thats it.
Yeah and you know how that probably happened?
FBI came visiting Vinnek in the prison, either hand over all data, plead guilty and get 20 years lowsec prison with visits by wife and child every day or 1000 million years Guantanamo without seeing your family again.
Look at his face and you know he signed within a second.
Well, I'm not saying there is a good outcome here. I don't think there will be. But I also don't think Vinnik is an owner, nor has access to BTC-E's storage. If you read the Russian forums, those who have been in contact with the owners and admins over the years -- none of them recognize this Vinnik. I don't think the owners would step foot in Greece, either.
But this might all be irrelevant. What matters is that the feds want to shut down BTC-E. What the feds want, they usually get
This is not always the case
Sometimes they fail miserably. They wanted Snowden extradited, and they had to back off eventually. If the Russian government steps in, all those bald eagles may have to fuck off instantly. Say, Putin through his minions like Greff allows the owners to restart the exchange under whatever name in Russia or in some friendly country or territory (like Abkhazia or Mongolia). In fact, there were certain rumors that Btc-e exchange is (was) strongly affiliated with Sberbank, the biggest Russian state-owned bank. For example, Btc-e has never had any issues with Yandex.Money (at least, as long as I remember), the online payment processing service owned by Sberbank. Further, fiat transactions seem to have been processed via Mongolian companies (banks) where Uncle Sam has no footing altogether. So it all mostly comes down to safety of the crypto wallets and whether the FBI managed to seize any coins
Indeed, sometimes they fail miserably in political situations against e.g. Russia. But I don't see that happening here. BTC-E was banned in Russia long ago (hence the popularity of the .nz domain). I believe they were on BTC-E.ru and moved to .com and supposedly to Bulgaria because of this. And Russia is still busy banning access to exchanges today. Why change stance here and now? If they've never had any issues with Yandex, I'm not sure it follows that they are cozy with the Russian government. Agreed, it seems likely that their bank accounts in Mongolia are untouched, so if there was not much to freeze in their 3rd party Okpay/Moneypolo accounts, that might explain the lack of mention of funds being seized by the feds.
But even if most of their fiat and crypto are intact...and absent some highly political intervention by e.g. Russia, how can they survive under constant threat from the FBI? Operate like the Pirate Bay did and constantly shift domains? How can they manage to pay people fiat? I suppose shell company payment processors work in the poker world (to some extent), maybe it could still work for BTC-E. It just seems far fetched to me at this point, without some miracle intervention like you mentioned. That would be interesting as hell, though.
With the current setup of dns and A records and where the picture loads from I don't see a way that this is fake.
could this be still 'man in the middle' attack. the fact that https is still there and http is being used to send the image. they could easily shutdown https. no??
or it could be us having dns pointing to https. lets hope the us of a doesnt get its hands on the servers and all data. some people did say few hours prior that the api is still accessible. not sure how. I dont have an api with btc-e.
edit: this also reminded of that one bs in the past.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/no-the-feds-didnt-seize-your-domain-youve-just-been-punked/
however the lack of word from btce and no fixing the website does suggest otherwise. I really hope they were not running their shit from EU
or it could be us having dns pointing to https. lets hope the us of a doesnt get its hands on the servers and all data. some people did say few hours prior that the api is still accessible. not sure how. I dont have an api with btc-e.
edit: this also reminded of that one bs in the past.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/no-the-feds-didnt-seize-your-domain-youve-just-been-punked/
however the lack of word from btce and no fixing the website does suggest otherwise. I really hope they were not running their shit from EU
This is hilarious why would the DoJ let https site run while uploading a crap image on http that one has to jump through hoops to see it.
Yes, I know, right, but I see technically no way of changing the nameserver and the resolving IP of btc-e.com to shadowserver.org servers unless you own the dns and thus, the fake looking picture must come from shadowservero.org and why would they place it, if its not the real thing? They are the owner of libertyreserve.com too.
cant open btc-e. https error, can you post screenshot?
Had to use old IE
yeah this is real, but it looks it was done by a kid for lols
i have lost $500 with btce but this image looks hilarious guyz, there is still hope. as far as i can see, they only got the fukin domain under control, thats it.
Yeah and you know how that probably happened?
FBI came visiting Vinnek in the prison, either hand over all data, plead guilty and get 20 years lowsec prison with visits by wife and child every day or 1000 million years Guantanamo without seeing your family again.
Look at his face and you know he signed within a second.
Well, I'm not saying there is a good outcome here. I don't think there will be. But I also don't think Vinnik is an owner, nor has access to BTC-E's storage. If you read the Russian forums, those who have been in contact with the owners and admins over the years -- none of them recognize this Vinnik. I don't think the owners would step foot in Greece, either.
But this might all be irrelevant. What matters is that the feds want to shut down BTC-E. What the feds want, they usually get
This is not always the case
Sometimes they fail miserably. They wanted Snowden extradited, and they had to back off eventually. If the Russian government steps in, all those bald eagles may have to fuck off instantly. Say, Putin through his minions like Greff allows the owners to restart the exchange under whatever name in Russia or in some friendly country or territory (like Abkhazia or Mongolia). In fact, there were certain rumors that Btc-e exchange is (was) strongly affiliated with Sberbank, the biggest Russian state-owned bank. For example, Btc-e has never had any issues with Yandex.Money (at least, as long as I remember), the online payment processing service owned by Sberbank. Further, fiat transactions seem to have been processed via Mongolian companies (banks) where Uncle Sam has no footing altogether. So it all mostly comes down to safety of the crypto wallets and whether the FBI managed to seize any coins
Whoever uploaded this is Trolling bigtime.
Calling BS on that.
Link to the announcements from US agencies stating the takedown plz.
Calling BS on that.
Link to the announcements from US agencies stating the takedown plz.
Here is the press release from the DOJ: https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged
I remember thinking it was strange that they kept saying "takedown", yet it seemed that the domain had not been seized. As it turns out, we were just waiting for the DNS change to propagate. I actually still can't see it from my location. But the fact that the whois registry has been updated today (probably from 3 days ago) to point to Shadowserver says it all. Same exact thing as Libertyreserve.
Whoever uploaded this is Trolling bigtime.
Calling BS on that.
Link to the announcements from US agencies stating the takedown plz.
Calling BS on that.
Link to the announcements from US agencies stating the takedown plz.
What about btc-e.nz - why not stolen, too?
Maybe the DNS change has not propagated yet (which is why we didn't see the takedown notice on BTC-e.com until today). I expected to see a similar takedown of this domain. Or maybe they are hoping admins will try to relaunch (that was their #2 domain) so they can take another crack at seizing the funds, servers. Strange...
This is hilarious why would the DoJ let https site run while uploading a crap image on http that one has to jump through hoops to see it.
Yes, I know, right, but I see technically no way of changing the nameserver and the resolving IP of btc-e.com to shadowserver.org servers unless you own the dns and thus, the fake looking picture must come from shadowservero.org and why would they place it, if its not the real thing? They are the owner of libertyreserve.com too.
cant open btc-e. https error, can you post screenshot?
Had to use old IE
What about btc-e.nz - why not stolen, too?
Sign This Petition. It Might Help Tho.
https://www.change.org/p/department-of-justice-we-want-our-money-back-from-btc-e/
https://www.change.org/p/department-of-justice-we-want-our-money-back-from-btc-e/
Stupid petition.
How do you know that BTC-e was shutdown by the US government?
Just because the US issue a fine notice, doesn't mean they shut them down.
There's literally an eagle page on btc-e.com right now
https://i.imgur.com/EqnleRe.png
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