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Topic: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) - page 14. (Read 198958 times)

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February 12, 2014, 02:39:52 PM
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TL;DR: Sorry, and I've not vanished.

Dear All,

I am really sorry about my extended period of absence from the community. Unfortunately I have had to deal with some personal tragedy recently which affected me and my loved ones very badly. Having had an acute period of depression in the past, experience has taught me that the most expeditious way out is to completely disconnect from work and other stress-inducing activities while I deal with the illness through intensive daily therapy. In the past I have attempted to combine that with work, but I've found it just drags out the acute period and during it I'm pretty useless and prone to errors of judgment.

I apologise that I felt unable to communicate this to you sooner. It was simpler with my core work at Memset since I just needed to let my assistants know I had to vanish for a while. I recognise now that my unexpected absence has caused this community, in particular the CIPHERMINE shareholders and bondholders, some concern. It is unlikely that I'm going to get anything worse thrown at me here on in, Gods forbid, but I shall be putting in place better measures to deal with me becoming ill etc. for CipherMine and CipherTrade. The timing was unfortunate since I was mid-handover of several components to Giles (evilscoop), Si (Sims) and the rest of the team.

CipherTrade will take care of the dividends issues; once its up the process will no longer rely on me. While we are doing dividends manually it has been simpler to continue with me doing them, and I will be issuing another round soon. Apologies for their irregularity. The CIPHERMINE.B1 dividends are held back by a technical issue; the size of the payments for individual bondholders is now below the the transaction size limit for BTC, even after having allowed them to accumulate for a while. As an aside, I think this bodes very well for alt-coins. BTC's minimum transaction size is now more than $0.01, making it a poor choice for micro-transactions.

Anyway, I'm on the mend and will be getting back up to speed with my work responsibilities and our various projects over the next couple of weeks. I have planned a staged return on the advice of my doctors so won't be operating at full capacity just yet. Thank you all for your patience and understanding during this very difficult period.

Kate.

PS. To confirm, we received our second batch of 5 HashFast BabyJets today! Smiley That brings our total to 7 BabyJets. We have another order of 3 pending (9 in total), and 8 upgrades (a second 400 GHs Golden Nonce chip for the BJ's). I'm not sure why I ordered 8 rather than 9 upgrades, perhaps it was all we could afford at the time. We also have 4 HashFast Sierras (1.2 TH/s) on order, and 3 x 2 TH/s Cointerra units to come. Although there has been controversy around HashFast, their kit is arriving and it appears rock-solid in terms of performance so I'm unconcerned there. We will be investigating the status of the Miner Protection Programme though since it should pay out handsomely for us!

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=4582.msg122978#msg122978
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February 09, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
So its safe to say that deprived and his funds are now toast...
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February 09, 2014, 09:17:18 PM
its in post no #1668
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February 07, 2014, 10:55:34 AM
Someone posted a list of all MINING and SELLING dividends for the last couple of months (gdrive iirc) which I didn't find on the last 10 or so pages. Can someone point me there please?
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February 04, 2014, 10:31:03 AM
That being said, for those of you that may not be aware, I have launched a set of securities in the spirit of DMS called Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative, listed on Havelock. I sincerely missed trading in DMS and am happy to bring a version of it to the market.

There are some key differences between DMS and BDD which I hope you'll see if you choose to read the contract. Many of you, I assume, would support some of those changes: namely that all capital will be held on the exchange and there will be no investment of capital.

Both of these changes are meant solely the reduce the security holders' counter-party risk. You can never totally eliminate this risk, but these changes will allow BDD to circumvent some of the issues that DMS had/has (the close call with Coinlenders' default, Deprived's current absence).

Please let me know if you have any questions either here or in the BDD thread. Thanks for reading-
Great news, thanks!

Personally I don't really trust Havelock very much, but since currently it's the only option, I'll give it a try anyway.


To be completely honest, I wasn't a huge fan of Havelock before this venture. However, they have been very helpful and accommodating with the entire set-up and maintenance of this security. They've also been willing to make some custom changes to their system to allow me to manage the fund more efficiently.

While I may not be a fan of some of the companies listed on the exchange, as I've voiced in some of my IPO Analysis posts, they've been a great partner so far for BDD. Thanks for the interest!
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Bitgoblin
February 04, 2014, 05:02:25 AM
That being said, for those of you that may not be aware, I have launched a set of securities in the spirit of DMS called Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative, listed on Havelock. I sincerely missed trading in DMS and am happy to bring a version of it to the market.

There are some key differences between DMS and BDD which I hope you'll see if you choose to read the contract. Many of you, I assume, would support some of those changes: namely that all capital will be held on the exchange and there will be no investment of capital.

Both of these changes are meant solely the reduce the security holders' counter-party risk. You can never totally eliminate this risk, but these changes will allow BDD to circumvent some of the issues that DMS had/has (the close call with Coinlenders' default, Deprived's current absence).

Please let me know if you have any questions either here or in the BDD thread. Thanks for reading-
Great news, thanks!

Personally I don't really trust Havelock very much, but since currently it's the only option, I'll give it a try anyway.
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February 03, 2014, 07:33:29 PM
Hey guys, I know that many of you are sitting on a lot of DMS shares right now - I'm really hoping for all of you that he reappears when CipherTrade launches. It's simple luck that I was out of DMS when BTCT closed; I had quite a few bids open at the time.

That being said, for those of you that may not be aware, I have launched a set of securities in the spirit of DMS called Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative, listed on Havelock. I sincerely missed trading in DMS and am happy to bring a version of it to the market.

There are some key differences between DMS and BDD which I hope you'll see if you choose to read the contract. Many of you, I assume, would support some of those changes: namely that all capital will be held on the exchange and there will be no investment of capital.

Both of these changes are meant solely the reduce the security holders' counter-party risk. You can never totally eliminate this risk, but these changes will allow BDD to circumvent some of the issues that DMS had/has (the close call with Coinlenders' default, Deprived's current absence).

Please let me know if you have any questions either here or in the BDD thread. Thanks for reading-
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What's the link between usagi and deprived? Why we need to care about usagi?

You don't.

Back in 2011, someone necro'd the 'deprived' account in order to attack me and the fund I ran (BMF). To make a very long story short, I successfully fought off his anti-competitive bullshit and was able to get re-listed on BTC-TC after quite some months. Deprived is now another strike in the long list of trolls who called me a scammer only to turn out to be scammers themselves. Like Ian Bakewell and EskimoBob.

BMF and TU.SILVER have been making redemptions to our shareholders privately over the last few months. One of our largest recent redemptions was 45oz. of physical silver to Nam. Now that redemption/liquidation orders have died down I am looking around to re-list (on 796 or cryptostocks?) and continue running. That is because I always do my best not to screw things up. A great example is we just finished paying off a BTC-denominated loan on btcjam despite the 10-fold rise in BTC: https://btcjam.com/listings/5938 "Thanks Usagi for paying this loan back. You had some trouble with this one when a few btcstock exchanges closed down back in oct-nov, but you sorted things out and even paid off the last part of the loan early, thanks." (from: thy Jan 24, 14:10)

One thing you may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.

Beyond that I do not have any connection with the guy nor do I know what has happened to him. In a friendlier world I might try to care a bit more too, but after putting up with his garbage on these forums for over a year I am more inclined to just let it pass than make this boring post any longer than it needs to be. I am just thankful I sold out of his funds on BTC-TC before the shutdown was announced.

If you have any questions on BMF there is a recent thread on the subject marked 2014. TY.
What you did to your creditors were really honorable, especially in this special time when many hero members disappear.

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One thing you will may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.


90 cents on the dollar?! What do you know that the rest of us don't?

Yeah, I'm intrigued to say the least. If I was going to take such an offer up I'd want to see a liquid market for BMF.
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One thing you will may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.


90 cents on the dollar?! What do you know that the rest of us don't?
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One thing you will may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.

I'm not sure if someone can prove their ownership of DMS shares to an outsider (that is, not Deprived or burnside). There is the asset-holders-list that issuers have received from burnside, but unless either burnside shares this list with usagi, there's no way to verify how many shares someone has. Obviously, with this list, a signed message from the public BTC address associated with the shares is easy.
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One thing you will may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.


I'll be reading up on BMF now for sure.
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Ciphermine runs in beta, so we should wait until it's fully opened. Maybe DMS* appears there among first Wink.
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What's the link between usagi and deprived? Why we need to care about usagi?

You don't.

Back in 2011, someone necro'd the 'deprived' account in order to attack me and the fund I ran (BMF). To make a very long story short, I successfully fought off his anti-competitive bullshit and was able to get re-listed on BTC-TC after quite some months. Deprived is now another strike in the long list of trolls who called me a scammer only to turn out to be scammers themselves. Like Ian Bakewell and EskimoBob.

BMF and TU.SILVER have been making redemptions to our shareholders privately over the last few months. One of our largest recent redemptions was 45oz. of physical silver to Nam. Now that redemption/liquidation orders have died down I am looking around to re-list (on 796 or cryptostocks?) and continue running. That is because I always do my best not to screw things up. A great example is we just finished paying off a BTC-denominated loan on btcjam despite the 10-fold rise in BTC: https://btcjam.com/listings/5938 "Thanks Usagi for paying this loan back. You had some trouble with this one when a few btcstock exchanges closed down back in oct-nov, but you sorted things out and even paid off the last part of the loan early, thanks." (from: thy Jan 24, 14:10)

One thing you may be interested to know is that BMF will be buying deprived debt. In short, if you can prove/sign/guarantee your deprived debt to us, we will issue you his shares of BMF. This way you can actually sell them and get your value back. We will probably offer to buy his debt at 90 cents on the dollar. More news on that later -- but feel free to PM me, I've been answering my PMs and emails this whole time.

Beyond that I do not have any connection with the guy nor do I know what has happened to him. In a friendlier world I might try to care a bit more too, but after putting up with his garbage on these forums for over a year I am more inclined to just let it pass than make this boring post any longer than it needs to be. I am just thankful I sold out of his funds on BTC-TC before the shutdown was announced.

If you have any questions on BMF there is a recent thread on the subject marked 2014. TY.
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I somewhat agree, however to be fair we must take into account also the BTC value, which now has risen quite a lot.

Last login from Deprived is about the time when BTC hit $1K for the first time... coincidence?

I you implying that the exchange rate dropped because Deprived has disappeared?
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I somewhat agree, however to be fair we must take into account also the BTC value, which now has risen quite a lot.

Last login from Deprived is about the time when BTC hit $1K for the first time... coincidence?
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Bitgoblin
In any case, there have been significantly better moments to take the loot and run. There's only 150 BTC liquid right now and that's in an address that hasn't been touched. The rest of the fund is in CipherMine bonds which can't be sold at the moment. While the NAV of the fund has been up well over 2000 BTC in the past, most of it being liquid BTC.

I'm currently still in the "something happened that prevented Deprived from logging on" camp rather than the "he ran with the money" camp.
I somewhat agree, however to be fair we must take into account also the BTC value, which now has risen quite a lot.
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In any case, there have been significantly better moments to take the loot and run. There's only 150 BTC liquid right now and that's in an address that hasn't been touched. The rest of the fund is in CipherMine bonds which can't be sold at the moment. While the NAV of the fund has been up well over 2000 BTC in the past, most of it being liquid BTC.

I'm currently still in the "something happened that prevented Deprived from logging on" camp rather than the "he ran with the money" camp.
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Bitgoblin
From my conversations with him, he didn't seem much like the type to screw people over, but that's just an impression.
That was my impression as well, that's why I'm still a bit puzzled.
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