c:\tmp>wc -l bfl_list.txt
3408
c:\tmp>grep Undelivered bfl_list.txt | wc -l
3365
Gives 43 happy people
Topic: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales - page 2. (Read 15856 times)
c:\tmp>wc -l bfl_list.txt
3408
c:\tmp>grep Undelivered bfl_list.txt | wc -l
3365
Gives 43 happy people
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
Only idiots will now pre-order from BFL and pay the order without an escrow.
There is no sign that BFL will start shipping large amounts within the next weeks and months. They are now in a prototype phase and maybe they loose money with every Jalapeno they ship. A poor yield is the only reason I can imagine why only 30 - 40 Jalapenos were shipped since april.
The 30 or 40 is at least 100 but don't let me spoil your smear.
http://bfl.ptz.ro/
c:\tmp>wc -l bfl_list.txt
3408
c:\tmp>grep Undelivered bfl_list.txt | wc -l
3365
Gives 43 happy people
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
Only idiots will now pre-order from BFL and pay the order without an escrow.
There is no sign that BFL will start shipping large amounts within the next weeks and months. They are now in a prototype phase and maybe they loose money with every Jalapeno they ship. A poor yield is the only reason I can imagine why only 30 - 40 Jalapenos were shipped since april.
The 30 or 40 is at least 100 but don't let me spoil your smear.
http://bfl.ptz.ro/
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
Only idiots will now pre-order from BFL and pay the order without an escrow.
There is no sign that BFL will start shipping large amounts within the next weeks and months. They are now in a prototype phase and maybe they loose money with every Jalapeno they ship. A poor yield is the only reason I can imagine why only 30 - 40 Jalapenos were shipped since april.
So they've pissed away all their pre-order money with the assumption that it'd keep on rolling in, so now that avalon has taken their market they've made a half-assed panic offer in response.
Sad! they don't deserve a single chip order! and wouldn't even need to offer it had they just started delivering some decent quantities of product.
Sad! they don't deserve a single chip order! and wouldn't even need to offer it had they just started delivering some decent quantities of product.
+1
BFL needs to be gone. Meaning out of business. They have hurt this community and its members much more than any other scam to date.
So they've pissed away all their pre-order money with the assumption that it'd keep on rolling in, so now that avalon has taken their market they've made a half-assed panic offer in response.
Sad! they don't deserve a single chip order! and wouldn't even need to offer it had they just started delivering some decent quantities of product.
Sad! they don't deserve a single chip order! and wouldn't even need to offer it had they just started delivering some decent quantities of product.
BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
BFL chips crap all over Avalon chip, read about them before you post. The market is NOT flooded with Avalon chips, the have not shipped.Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
STop impersonating an australian...... sock puppet!
The never ending sock puppet army ...int03h ...others + others
They always start slow and then end up sounding exactly the same ...
Funny thing is once they have been used one up we never hear from them again ....strange
? That's because they go on tour.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/RedHotChiliPeppers2011Tour.jpg
Which one is Josh and Anthony or Steven? or Josh Secretary?
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
This was always going to be a longshot for them. They are experts at marketing their products to unsophisticated buyers (not pumping up my own tyres, they got me as well). Anyone contemplating buying chips themselves is likely an order of magnitude better informed and would see that the risk of buying BFL chips doesn't justify the premium. Only by shipping all product lines in volume will BFL demostrate that their chip issues are behind them.
It's catch-22. If the chips worked properly they would have had developers begging them to release them. Because the chips don't work very well they need to sell more to get a better volume price. But no one experienced will want to buy chips to help them do that.
And the BFL chip performance is only marginally better hash/$ than Avalon's. Why would anyone take that risk?
Price/Performance
BFL: 2600 MH/s for $89 is 29.2 MH/s per $1
Avalon: 280 MH/s for $10 is 28 MH/s per $1
Power efficiency
Avalon: 66,000 MH/s @ 600W 110 MH/w
BFL: 5200 MH/s @ 35W 148MH/w (the ars technica box measured 5.2 @ 50W)
Yeah, I'm really surprised they didn't offer a significantly better price than Avalon. They are shipping later and they are an unproven technology. I don't see any reason to chose them over Avalon for discrete chips right now.
I think they are going to get very few pre-orders and drop the price significantly in the next few weeks. Or maybe they actually need the money that desperately and will simply go out of business.
It doesn't help that they just angered every so single one of their 60,000 preorder customers which would have been their best market for selling discrete chips.
BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
BFL chips crap all over Avalon chip, read about them before you post. The market is NOT flooded with Avalon chips, the have not shipped.Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
This was always going to be a longshot for them. They are experts at marketing their products to unsophisticated buyers (not pumping up my own tyres, they got me as well). Anyone contemplating buying chips themselves is likely an order of magnitude better informed and would see that the risk of buying BFL chips doesn't justify the premium. Only by shipping all product lines in volume will BFL demostrate that their chip issues are behind them.
It's catch-22. If the chips worked properly they would have had developers begging them to release them. Because the chips don't work very well they need to sell more to get a better volume price. But no one experienced will want to buy chips to help them do that.
And the BFL chip performance is only marginally better hash/$ than Avalon's. Why would anyone take that risk?
Price/Performance
BFL: 2600 MH/s for $89 is 29.2 MH/s per $1
Avalon: 280 MH/s for $10 is 28 MH/s per $1
Power efficiency
Avalon: 66,000 MH/s @ 600W 110 MH/w
BFL: 5200 MH/s @ 35W 148MH/w (the ars technica box measured 5.2 @ 50W)
Well it's been over 48 hours, several people have tried starting group buys but as far as I can see not a SINGLE person has commited to SINGLE chip.
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
A few who did show interest would only do so if payment was on delivery and nothing up front.
Sanity prevails on bitcointalk
This was always going to be a longshot for them. They are experts at marketing their products to unsophisticated buyers (not pumping up my own tyres, they got me as well). Anyone contemplating buying chips themselves is likely an order of magnitude better informed and would see that the risk of buying BFL chips doesn't justify the premium. Only by shipping all product lines in volume will BFL demostrate that their chip issues are behind them.
It's catch-22. If the chips worked properly they would have had developers begging them to release them. Because the chips don't work very well they need to sell more to get a better volume price. But no one experienced will want to buy chips to help them do that.
BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
BFL chips crap all over Avalon chip, read about them before you post. The market is NOT flooded with Avalon chips, the have not shipped.Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
STop impersonating an australian...... sock puppet!
The never ending sock puppet army ...int03h ...others + others
They always start slow and then end up sounding exactly the same ...
Funny thing is once they have been used one up we never hear from them again ....strange
? That's because they go on tour.
BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
BFL chips crap all over Avalon chip, read about them before you post. The market is NOT flooded with Avalon chips, the have not shipped.Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
STop impersonating an australian...... sock puppet!
The never ending sock puppet army ...int03h ...others + others
They always start slow and then end up sounding exactly the same ...
Funny thing is once they have been used one up we never hear from them again ....strange
? BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
BFL chips crap all over Avalon chip, read about them before you post. The market is NOT flooded with Avalon chips, the have not shipped.Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
STop impersonating an australian...... sock puppet!
Notice how Erk claims the BFL chips win but can't post any numbers to back it up?
Erk, you should probably start updating your resume. Things not looking good for BFL.
BFL Chips? I think market is already flooded with Avalon chip orders. With (almost) open source ref. design.
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
Why would someone want to buy BFL chips at this point? Do they offer better GH/s/Watt?
People who wanted to go DYI route have already done so.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
*Mumbles something about the four extra quarters worth of clues that you are buying per GHs/Watt*
@Erk,
BFL's chips if they ever do arrive will be at least a month or two after AVALON chip orders get filled.
Months in the bitcoin world in terms of difficulty is like comparing Smart cars to Limousines.
BFL's chips if they ever do arrive will be at least a month or two after AVALON chip orders get filled.
Months in the bitcoin world in terms of difficulty is like comparing Smart cars to Limousines.
I guess now Yifu can now check to see if BFL's chips really are 65nm if he gets in on a group buy of 100.
$100 is cheaper than ponying up one of those 6GH/s development boxes.
$100 is cheaper than ponying up one of those 6GH/s development boxes.
Maybe Avalon should simply buy a large lot of chips and design Avalon MK2 to run on bfl chips. Sure would solve a lot a problems for them and bfl.
Why would they? BFL chips bang for the buck is about the same as Avalon.
Retail prices:
BFL 2.5GH/s for $85 29MH/s per $1
Avalon 280MH/s for $10 28MH/s per $1
Avalon of course has access to wholesale prices for their own chips, so their chips are far more efficient for them to use than paying BFL.
Help me understand, what is so compelling about BFL chips that would make me buy few?
(Shit! I have no good answer...fook it...time to deflect!)
There did your mind just blank out right now? Good. What were we talking about again?
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