Topic: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales - page 5. (Read 15856 times)
Demands are just too high because people are willing to spend anything on a short supply of ASICs right now
Does anyone else think the chips are priced ridiculously?
I talked to someone at an ASIC company lately who argued that it would be a cinch to build 65 or 28nm chips, their sims showed about 8-10gh/s per chip. He offered that if they ever got to development, the first batch would cost me $50 per chip since the development costs are so high. Should they produce a second batch, he'd give to me for $30. Estimated margin with development costs on a 100k batch was by the way 300-400%.
What you see there is a fucked up margin of unbelievable 1000%, since one of these chips is bound to cost around 10$ including production if there was one 100.000 batch produced and built.
I dont care about how late they are or how mean to their customers, I already got a refund for that. But now selling your chips with a 1000% margin? Are you serious BFL?
I talked to someone at an ASIC company lately who argued that it would be a cinch to build 65 or 28nm chips, their sims showed about 8-10gh/s per chip. He offered that if they ever got to development, the first batch would cost me $50 per chip since the development costs are so high. Should they produce a second batch, he'd give to me for $30. Estimated margin with development costs on a 100k batch was by the way 300-400%.
What you see there is a fucked up margin of unbelievable 1000%, since one of these chips is bound to cost around 10$ including production if there was one 100.000 batch produced and built.
I dont care about how late they are or how mean to their customers, I already got a refund for that. But now selling your chips with a 1000% margin? Are you serious BFL?
As serious as Avalon are with their margin, or ASICminer with their ludicrous mark-up!!!
Does anyone else think the chips are priced ridiculously?
I talked to someone at an ASIC company lately who argued that it would be a cinch to build 65 or 28nm chips, their sims showed about 8-10gh/s per chip. He offered that if they ever got to development, the first batch would cost me $50 per chip since the development costs are so high. Should they produce a second batch, he'd give to me for $30. Estimated margin with development costs on a 100k batch was by the way 300-400%.
What you see there is a fucked up margin of unbelievable 1000%, since one of these chips is bound to cost around 10$ including production if there was one 100.000 batch produced and built.
I dont care about how late they are or how mean to their customers, I already got a refund for that. But now selling your chips with a 1000% margin? Are you serious BFL?
I talked to someone at an ASIC company lately who argued that it would be a cinch to build 65 or 28nm chips, their sims showed about 8-10gh/s per chip. He offered that if they ever got to development, the first batch would cost me $50 per chip since the development costs are so high. Should they produce a second batch, he'd give to me for $30. Estimated margin with development costs on a 100k batch was by the way 300-400%.
What you see there is a fucked up margin of unbelievable 1000%, since one of these chips is bound to cost around 10$ including production if there was one 100.000 batch produced and built.
I dont care about how late they are or how mean to their customers, I already got a refund for that. But now selling your chips with a 1000% margin? Are you serious BFL?
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell! 
Considering that's not what they are doing, all you have done is shown your lack of comprehension of a relatively simple product announcement. I suggest you go and read it again, perhaps twice.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
^^^^ BFL PR department
Always one on these threads... as in ( Sockpuppets incorporated)
They are nothing but a bunch of back stabbing con men, liars, cheats, fools and ass hats. The whole company is a circus. They could't assemble a pizza box if their very lives depended on it.
Every one who works for BFL is curt/ terse demeaning/dismissive or just hateful to customers. They distract, derail threads that are negative. They ban people who complain and cancel their orders. They mark up prices and ask for shipping you already paid for. They change specs and then they change specs again. They delay and delay and if the day ever comes when you get what you ordered it well be worthless.
Every one who works for BFL is curt/ terse demeaning/dismissive or just hateful to customers. They distract, derail threads that are negative. They ban people who complain and cancel their orders. They mark up prices and ask for shipping you already paid for. They change specs and then they change specs again. They delay and delay and if the day ever comes when you get what you ordered it well be worthless.
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make this man a Mod
Clearly 0 < 13.
Would the D-grade chips (13 engines or less working) include chips that are non-functioning?
The D-grade chips might be the equivalent of the fruit at the market which is just about to be thrown out. OK for making jam, but that's about it. Problem is jam has a very poor hash-rate.
One isn't expected to pay full retail for the crap that is getting ready for the dumpster. Would the D-grade chips (13 engines or less working) include chips that are non-functioning?
The D-grade chips might be the equivalent of the fruit at the market which is just about to be thrown out. OK for making jam, but that's about it. Problem is jam has a very poor hash-rate.
Clearly 0 < 13.
Would the D-grade chips (13 engines or less working) include chips that are non-functioning?
The D-grade chips might be the equivalent of the fruit at the market which is just about to be thrown out. OK for making jam, but that's about it. Problem is jam has a very poor hash-rate.
Would the D-grade chips (13 engines or less working) include chips that are non-functioning?
The D-grade chips might be the equivalent of the fruit at the market which is just about to be thrown out. OK for making jam, but that's about it. Problem is jam has a very poor hash-rate.
Expanding their business line detracts from the orders BFL already has at their feet...NOT HAPPY JAN!
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We will be providing reference documentation, reference design/schematics, and foundry receipt/documentation.
But they have refused to do exactly this for the current customers of which thousands have been so kind to them in helping fund their endeavor. Now, it's fuck them, we will treat the next batch of cocksuckers better.
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell!
Considering that's not what they are doing, all you have done is shown your lack of comprehension of a relatively simple product announcement. I suggest you go and read it again, perhaps twice.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
I've read it more than twice (not being an ass), and here's my other takeaway.
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We will allow you to convert current orders with us into chip orders if you would rather design your own.
If you would like to place an order, please email [email protected]
If you would like to place an order, please email [email protected]
Remember the posts where Jody, et al., was complaining about their email workload? This just compounds that problem several fold, but that's okay, for these emails will consist of moneys going to the their coffers, oppose to support of product they'll having trouble producing.
Total pieces of shit!
I am curious, how do the chip packages that BFL use, attach and make contact with the PCB, is it a hot air reflow solder thing like QFN?
They are nothing but a bunch of back stabbing con men, liars, cheats, fools and ass hats. The whole company is a circus. They could't assemble a pizza box if their vary lives depended on it.
Every one who works for BFL is curt/ terse demeaning/dismissive or just hateful to customers. They distract, derail threads that are negative. They ban people who complain and cancel their orders. They mark up prices and ask for shipping you already paid for. They change specs and then they change specs again. They delay and delay and if the day ever comes when you get what you ordered it well be worthless.
Every one who works for BFL is curt/ terse demeaning/dismissive or just hateful to customers. They distract, derail threads that are negative. They ban people who complain and cancel their orders. They mark up prices and ask for shipping you already paid for. They change specs and then they change specs again. They delay and delay and if the day ever comes when you get what you ordered it well be worthless.
I bet they stop shipping jalapenos after they start to ship chips.
See what Avalon do first.
Do you get paid by the day or hour to instill confidence of BFL into the community?
I bet they stop shipping jalapenos after they start to ship chips.
See what Avalon do first.
I bet they stop shipping jalapenos after they start to ship chips.
lol @ BFL
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
Not ideal but it's good starting point for the talents out there. Better than trying to figure out everything from scratch.
How do you consider vaporware chips a good starting point?
Only difference with what people have now is they have money. If they order they will have no money and an email saying they have "chips" on their way in 100, 200, 300 days?
dont make me laugh
I was referring to the reference design. It's better to start with one than figuring out the chips. (there is no reference design AFAIK though, so it was more of a "generic" comment
)Now, whether BFL delivers is another can of worms.
even with the reference design how do you really know it works?We dont.
As with every design: make it, test it, change it.
I'm not promoting BFL, if that's your worry, but I would support freelance pcb designers (as I do for the Klondike project).
lol @ BFL
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
Not ideal but it's good starting point for the talents out there. Better than trying to figure out everything from scratch.
How do you consider vaporware chips a good starting point?
Only difference with what people have now is they have money. If they order they will have no money and an email saying they have "chips" on their way in 100, 200, 300 days?
dont make me laugh
I was referring to the reference design. It's better to start with one than figuring out the chips. (there is no reference design AFAIK though, so it was more of a "generic" comment
)Now, whether BFL delivers is another can of worms.
even with the reference design how do you really know it works?We dont.
lol @ BFL
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
Not ideal but it's good starting point for the talents out there. Better than trying to figure out everything from scratch.
How do you consider vaporware chips a good starting point?
Only difference with what people have now is they have money. If they order they will have no money and an email saying they have "chips" on their way in 100, 200, 300 days?
dont make me laugh
I was referring to the reference design. It's better to start with one than figuring out the chips. (there is no reference design AFAIK though, so it was more of a "generic" comment
)Now, whether BFL delivers is another can of worms.
lol @ BFL
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
What good is BFL releasing a reference design if the reference design is flawed? IE. power issues/other issues....
"You can buy our chips, but good luck getting them to work!"
Not ideal but it's good starting point for the talents out there. Better than trying to figure out everything from scratch.
How do you consider vaporware chips a good starting point?
Only difference with what people have now is they have money. If they order they will have no money and an email saying they have "chips" on their way in 100, 200, 300 days?
dont make me laugh
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell!
Considering that's not what they are doing, all you have done is shown your lack of comprehension of a relatively simple product announcement. I suggest you go and read it again, perhaps twice.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
+1
Erk is another BFL tard. Can't read and can't see a scam when it is glaringly obvious.
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