Topic: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales - page 7. (Read 15856 times)
This is interesting. Chips delivered en mass in around 100 days? Is that BFL suggesting they will get most or all of their preorders done within the next 100 days and then concentrate on the chip business? To me it seems pretty unlikely, as the PCBs instead of the chips seem to be the hold up right now. BFL could well be shipping chips while product preorders are still outstanding. It will take a while for third parties to develop, test and ship their own boards so BFL probably have 200 days from now before rival products appear based on BFL chips.
Here's an idea.
Lets get some trustworthy ESCROW person and gather funds for minimum order of BFL chips.
Either they deliver chips on time + datasheets or we keep our money and good bye.
The price is actually reasonable and if they are not able to produce the boards/rigs (the real bottleneck of BFL), we can get someone capable to do it right. There are some talents designing Avalon chip boards.
If butterflies actually deliver ... people waiting for big preorders will most likely kill them. None of my business.
EDIT: Already contacted John K. in his thread.
EDIT2: New thread to discuss 100% escrow https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2349094
Lets get some trustworthy ESCROW person and gather funds for minimum order of BFL chips.
Either they deliver chips on time + datasheets or we keep our money and good bye.
The price is actually reasonable and if they are not able to produce the boards/rigs (the real bottleneck of BFL), we can get someone capable to do it right. There are some talents designing Avalon chip boards.
If butterflies actually deliver ... people waiting for big preorders will most likely kill them. None of my business.
EDIT: Already contacted John K. in his thread.
EDIT2: New thread to discuss 100% escrow https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2349094
So now they are also in the chip selling business:
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
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Butterfly Labs will begin selling bulk chips to individuals and companies starting in June, 2013. Chip delivery schedule is approximately 100 days through end packaging once your order is placed. We will be providing reference documentation, reference design/schematics, and foundry receipt/documentation.
Chips will be graded and priced as follows:
Grade A: 16 Engines - $97/chip
Grade B: 15 Engines - $93/chip
Grade C: 14 Engines - $89/chip
Grade D: 13 Engines or less - $83/chip
Our chips will be provided in minimum lots of 100 with the following price structure:
100 - 999 chips - Regular Price
1000 - 9999 chips - 5% discount
10,000 - 99,999 chips - 10% discount
100,000 or more - 20% discount
Chip orders will require 50% down and 50% upon order delivery. Payment can be made via BTC (preferred) or bank wire.
Advantages of BFL chips:
1/2 the power usage per GH as the closest competitor
1/10th the silicon area per GH as the closest competitor (Very high performance density)
You can use off the shelf heat sinks depending on your chip layout due to FCBGA package vs custom underside heat sinks as required on some QFN packages. You don't have to design and manufacture heat sinks!
Proven design currently operating in the field and ready to go.
We will allow you to convert current orders with us into chip orders if you would rather design your own.
If you would like to place an order, please email [email protected]
Chips will be graded and priced as follows:
Grade A: 16 Engines - $97/chip
Grade B: 15 Engines - $93/chip
Grade C: 14 Engines - $89/chip
Grade D: 13 Engines or less - $83/chip
Our chips will be provided in minimum lots of 100 with the following price structure:
100 - 999 chips - Regular Price
1000 - 9999 chips - 5% discount
10,000 - 99,999 chips - 10% discount
100,000 or more - 20% discount
Chip orders will require 50% down and 50% upon order delivery. Payment can be made via BTC (preferred) or bank wire.
Advantages of BFL chips:
1/2 the power usage per GH as the closest competitor
1/10th the silicon area per GH as the closest competitor (Very high performance density)
You can use off the shelf heat sinks depending on your chip layout due to FCBGA package vs custom underside heat sinks as required on some QFN packages. You don't have to design and manufacture heat sinks!
Proven design currently operating in the field and ready to go.
We will allow you to convert current orders with us into chip orders if you would rather design your own.
If you would like to place an order, please email [email protected]
Anyone with a datasheet? Or a chip pinout + package type?
So we can start drawing the schematic and doing the initial
placement already.
intron
If they deliver a single ASIC before all pre-orders are shipped, they fucked their customers again. There are no signs that they will ship all their pre-orders in the next 100 days. I read the announcement several times but don't see the statement that the ASIC shipment will begin after the last Miner pre-order was shipped.
I hope they do, just to rub it in your face! It's clowns like yourself that try and equate the supply of a single component with the supply of a completed whole item. If it were just chip supply that was holding up the pre-orders they would have been out the door weeks ago. Why not pick on long torex screws, or cases, they need those too.I don't see how this matters. The point everyone is trying to drive home is that BFL have yet to deliver more than a single month of pre-orders of ONE of their products, they lack even the most basic communication skills, and are far over energy consumption and size of their miners.
YET they seem to have the time to prioritize order upgrades and now chip orders vs. their already soon to be 1 YEAR overdue customer orders.
Seriously, what company does this?
If they deliver a single ASIC before all pre-orders are shipped, they fucked their customers again. There are no signs that they will ship all their pre-orders in the next 100 days. I read the announcement several times but don't see the statement that the ASIC shipment will begin after the last Miner pre-order was shipped.
I hope they do, just to rub it in your face! It's clowns like yourself that try and equate the supply of a single component with the supply of a completed whole item. If it were just chip supply that was holding up the pre-orders they would have been out the door weeks ago. Why not pick on long torex screws, or cases, they need those too.
Glad I got my refund 
Meet the uberscam...
Meet the uberscam...So you'll be updating your scamlist thread then?
Glad I got my refund Meet the uberscam...
Meet the uberscam... 
we are going to have about a 20% difficulty increase and still BFL hasnt delivered...lol
If they deliver a single ASIC before all pre-orders are shipped, they fucked their customers again. There are no signs that they will ship all their pre-orders in the next 100 days. I read the announcement several times but don't see the statement that the ASIC shipment will begin after the last Miner pre-order was shipped.
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell! 
Considering that's not what they are doing, all you have done is shown your lack of comprehension of a relatively simple product announcement. I suggest you go and read it again, perhaps twice.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
Quote from: BFL_Josh
Butterfly Labs will begin selling bulk chips to individuals and companies starting in June, 2013.
Do you actually think they can full fill their promise to manufacture 10k orders in a month. For fuck sake. Best they managed to do is a manufacture a one Jalopeno / day. I've waited them to deliver my SC for a god damn year, and now they're gonna kill the rest of my investment with this shit. I've officially lost BTC250 now. They can shove that $1200 refund up in their ass.
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell!
Considering that's not what they are doing, all you have done is shown your lack of comprehension of a relatively simple product announcement. I suggest you go and read it again, perhaps twice.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/3014-butterfly-labs-announces-bulk-chip-sales.html
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell!
+BTC250
Is it OK in the US if those damn assholes sell the basic components of a product I already paid in June 2012 to another customer?! They should burn in hell!
Want to see what Avalon said about their [BFL] Fab production "a while ago"?
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about-3.html#post37045
Take a look at the first page where a well known quote from Team Avalon is cited in the first post, then zoom forward "into the future" towards the end. As Josh recently gave the thread a backhand comment for someone bringing it back to bite him in the ass.
The Truth hurts!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about-3.html#post37045
Take a look at the first page where a well known quote from Team Avalon is cited in the first post, then zoom forward "into the future" towards the end. As Josh recently gave the thread a backhand comment for someone bringing it back to bite him in the ass.
The Truth hurts!
Wow.
Even INTEL does not have this kind of capacity. Neither does AMD. They produce, then test, and if things suck, they throw it all away or make a "budget version" of a downclocked chip. If you were ever wondering where these shitty graphics cards came from that nobody wants... take a guess
Too bad the unicorn blood was way over rated. It failed to help the process along in the end...Reality and Physics got in the way of the ritual sacrifices.
Just admit you don't know what OrSOC being involved means.
You keep playing the ORSoC card. Will you be giving money to ORSoC for these ASIC miners for which no ASIC exists yet? Will ORSoC pay you back in case you never receive your ASIC miner that doesn't yet exist?
ORSoC will do no such thing. ORSoC is the ODM and will take NO responsibility in the potential fuckups of KNCMINER.
ORSoC is NO GUARANTEE you will ever see your miner.
Are you sure about that? Where did you got your info? From Sam? From ORSoC? Or out of nowhere?
Who do you buy the miners from? KNC
Who do you have a contract with? KNC
Are you an ORSoC customer? No
Are you giving money to ORSoC? No
Do you have a contract with ORSoC? No
Did ORSoC give *any* kind of warranty they would pickup the tab in case KNC defaulted? No
What does ORSoC state in their PR regarding the partnership? Talk to KNC.
If you have any information pointing to the contrary, please do share.
This has nothing to do with BFL ASIC Bulk Chip Sales by any stretch of the imagination, can you please move it to one of the KNC threads?
Want to see what Avalon said about their [BFL] Fab production "a while ago"?
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about-3.html#post37045
Take a look at the first page where a well known quote from Team Avalon is cited in the first post, then zoom forward "into the future" towards the end. As Josh recently gave the thread a backhand comment for someone bringing it back to bite him in the ass.
The Truth hurts!
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about.html
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/500-josh-plz-give-us-some-comments-about-3.html#post37045
Take a look at the first page where a well known quote from Team Avalon is cited in the first post, then zoom forward "into the future" towards the end. As Josh recently gave the thread a backhand comment for someone bringing it back to bite him in the ass.
The Truth hurts!
Wow.
Even INTEL does not have this kind of capacity. Neither does AMD. They produce, then test, and if things suck, they throw it all away or make a "budget version" of a downclocked chip. If you were ever wondering where these shitty graphics cards came from that nobody wants... take a guess
Just admit you don't know what OrSOC being involved means.
You keep playing the ORSoC card. Will you be giving money to ORSoC for these ASIC miners for which no ASIC exists yet? Will ORSoC pay you back in case you never receive your ASIC miner that doesn't yet exist?
ORSoC will do no such thing. ORSoC is the ODM and will take NO responsibility in the potential fuckups of KNCMINER.
ORSoC is NO GUARANTEE you will ever see your miner.
Are you sure about that? Where did you got your info? From Sam? From ORSoC? Or out of nowhere?
Who do you buy the miners from? KNC
Who do you have a contract with? KNC
Are you an ORSoC customer? No
Are you giving money to ORSoC? No
Do you have a contract with ORSoC? No
Did ORSoC give *any* kind of warranty they would pickup the tab in case KNC defaulted? No
What does ORSoC state in their PR regarding the partnership? Talk to KNC.
If you have any information pointing to the contrary, please do share.
Just admit you don't know what OrSOC being involved means.
You keep playing the ORSoC card. Will you be giving money to ORSoC for these ASIC miners for which no ASIC exists yet? Will ORSoC pay you back in case you never receive your ASIC miner that doesn't yet exist?
ORSoC will do no such thing. ORSoC is the ODM and will take NO responsibility in the potential fuckups of KNCMINER.
ORSoC is NO GUARANTEE you will ever see your miner.
Are you sure about that? Where did you got your info? From Sam? From ORSoC? Or out of nowhere?
They know once the pre orders queue is empty the highest margins will come from the silicon business, not the devices business. Just license (or open source) the reference board and get big bucks selling the chips. Focus on evolving the chip and the forget about crazy logistics to tackle end customer business.
There are dozens (or hundreds) of people that can build the boards and mining devices, but only a few can design and deliver (well... I have to see my prepaid stuff working yet) ASICs worldwide. That is the real value of BFL if they are looking for VC funding.
There are dozens (or hundreds) of people that can build the boards and mining devices, but only a few can design and deliver (well... I have to see my prepaid stuff working yet) ASICs worldwide. That is the real value of BFL if they are looking for VC funding.
Just admit you don't know what OrSOC being involved means.
You keep playing the ORSoC card. Will you be giving money to ORSoC for these ASIC miners for which no ASIC exists yet? Will ORSoC pay you back in case you never receive your ASIC miner that doesn't yet exist?
ORSoC will do no such thing. ORSoC is the ODM and will take NO responsibility in the potential fuckups of KNCMINER.
ORSoC is NO GUARANTEE you will ever see your miner.
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