Topic: Butterfly Labs Announces Bulk Chip Sales - page 8. (Read 15856 times)

While I appreciate the technical prowess of the Avalon team, the fact of the matter is they simply don't have the resources or experience we have in this area. While the above may be true for them (and I have no doubt it is), what they are able to accomplish in a given time frame does not necessarily apply to our development workflow and process.

I think the only thing interesting about it is the fact that someone decided to necro a 6 month old thread. And by interesting, I mean pointless.

Bingo, that my reasoning and speculation as well...

Blows on his BS decoder ring.

The following is imaginary and simply wild speculation without a basis...allegedly

A) Oh shit, we have a shit ton of orders and little or no funding to pay for new wafers!
A1) I know, let just pass the cost of new wafers to our customers!
A2) I know, lets pitch the idea Avalon is doing to our boss. Surely he would love to see us sell 2$ chips for 97$!


B) Oh shit, we might not be able to complete our huge order backlog!
B1) I know, let get this monkey off our backs and shift the blame of bad boards to open source vendors. We will sell our yet to be made chips with an extra 50% downpayment for quick liquidity! That way we can clear our backlog of orders and prevent our asses from getting thrown into court.
B2) I know, lets lull people into thinking they can just make our boards for us. In this way we will only be responsible to order chips from the fab and the packaging people....and the rest will work itself out! We can't possibly screw this up....We are probably going to collapse soon, so we might as well open source our design. We are knee deep in commitments/liability we won't be able to fulfill anytime soon. Don't let them see the panic in our eyes?!

60 days to fulfill 2 days worth of orders.

How many days between june 23, 2012 and December 31, 2012? Alot. How many from Jan 1, 2013 till today? Can anyone say, entering PANIC mode?

So sometime in 2020? Right? I hope!

oh men, this guy took 1 year to deliver a product they say in the first announ will be deliver in 4 months (aprox) they deliver me my 2 5ghz units, and those are the most basic unit, ... 100 chips and they say 100 days  u better multiply that *3 .. maybe they deliver or not but something im pretty sure it will take more that 100 days knowing there rep around here.

A quick google search brought up these old memories from months ago. That is alot of parts.

Don't drag knc and their vapor ware outfit into a discussion about companies that actually has asic working. Knc is a scam, so go ahead and buy their overpriced FPGA..

Well............Avalon/Klondike=5GH @ 32 watts (also FULL open source,so to speak)........................BFL=5GH @ 27 watts.I don't see a better buy myself,not enough difference to sway me 

OrSOC is no scam, and their credentials blow BFL out of the water.  they have the IC designers behind opencores.org working with them on this project.

What income have BFL had for the past8 months? Pre sales.

But what happened? Couldn't deliver then missed their specs. Sales would have slowed and refunds grown. How many people have asked for their 30K back from no chance of getting a mini rig? And for the remaining products the profit has been slashed due to pricing against a spec they couldn't deliver, and they bought ALOT of parts they can't use. (I'm thinking about those boxes of 1500W PSUs they showed us).

Now they are doing something strange - instead of concentrating on delivering the orders they already have they are asking 50% up front for a bulk chip order. Why? Because they need the $$$$$$. They are running out of the money they have been donated for the past 12 months, and their on going income is minimal. I'm thinking they are even struggling to pay for their chip orders and hence they need people to down pay for the manufacturing for both bulk chip sales and chips for what ever BFL is able to deliver.

When will there be a class action against BFL for late delivery and failing to meet promised specs?

KNC? Are they a scam? Sheesh... let's just stick with things that actually exist.

Not to mention for sheer GH/sec per dollar KnCminer is the best and will probably deliver before BFL's chips even arrive, much less assemblies using them are done.

BFL stop selling and start delivering.