Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 27. (Read 59178 times)

I have a personal opinion about this .. but lets put that aside. 

What I find fascinating is that he perpetuates the same behaviour and then is surprised that the result is what it was and then echos the reason it happened as a reason about why it shouldn't have happened.

that right there. . .it's priceless

I take your point that forcing a cancellation from an angry customer is bad - and I think unprecedented for BFL - if it is unprecedented which I think it is - does that not make you think how bad this guys rants must have been...

Sorry I am a noob.. I don't understand .. throw a dog a bone..

Umm .. I believe we were discussing a bet ... you still talking shit .. or is your money where you mouth isn't ?

Quoted without prejudice.

You don't understand anything I articulate, remember?  So dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Maecenas lacinia lacinia molestie. Maecenas porttitor consectetur nulla non pretium. Mauris at risus ut leo luctus eleifend.

God damn it wtf with all the retards in texas.  .I need to gtfo before it rubs off. .. .

With hindsight, of course he should have sold his units. I personally never thought BFL would stoop to canceling the orders of angry customers. Especially the ones from June/July of 2012. I *think* BFL has the right to refund any of the pre-orders, should they wish to do so. On the other hand, that might open them up to legal issues if they don't deliver on a significant chunk of their pre-orders. I have already posted the relevant sections of Missouri law they are in violation of. It seems to be a pretty powerful statute.

It is pretty clear Xian could have gotten more than just his refund had he sold his orders on these forums. He has also been a bit strident about it, his spelling and grammar have been mediocre as well. However, he is righteously pissed, and I am not at my literary best when I am upset either. Still, his actions in this thread leave a lot of room for improvement. 

So you refuse to articulate the bet, but continue to talk shit. I see.

damn it somebody quote this so Xian has to see it!!!

Your fascination with the word distorted is noted. You have used it at least once in last few posts. You also mentioned NLP a little while back. I am sure there is a link here somewhere... help me figure it out.

I hope you arent fixing hard drives today :
https://plus.google.com/104100515304524528467/about?gl=us&hl=en

Did you get my postcards?

oh shit .. did I let the cat out the bag .. fuck .. ooopss

so I see this a good old game of chase the point. . .
actually the process of getting their customers to agree was non-voluntary and in compliance with the legal guidelines established by the UCC (you can look that up I'm not your personal wikipedia ). not only was it proper, but legally necessary to continue the "implied" contract you are so fond of. also required by Missouri consumer protections. .  . . .Most companies do charge pre-orders. . .otherwise it's called a reservation. . .just look up Duke Nukem' receipt on google images that poor bastard had a 11 y.o. pre-order receipt.

Moron on ignore.

Look up "offer and acceptance."  Drooler.

K9 - so assuming you have been following and read the posts in this thread from the beginning - are you defending xian's actions towards BFL?

[EDIT] and do you think it wise he blew away $15k by bitching when he could have sold his 2012 pre-order (for 5 x what he paid).

And you never will be. You could get 1000 posts in a day and you would still not understand a thing.

No he wont see my posts because he has 'apparently' marked me as 'ignored' too - so we are safe

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap407.htm

Yes, when he ordered it was scheduled for October. After that date came and went, the series of misrepresentations about the state of the product became more numerous. But even before then, statements about measurements of power usage and performance were made. It was only after BFL shipped their first few units that people realized that those claims about power usage could not possibly have been valid. In fact, there is much evidence to suggest that BFL did not have any working chips at all by October 2012. Of course, that would have made it impossible to measure the power usage of them.


Yes. Having their customers agree to the new specifications was a very important legal hurdle for BFL to surmount. Had they not done so, they would have been up a creek sans paddle so to speak. The problem is that BFL took payment in full for the pre-orders. Most companies do not charge your card for the full amount until they can ship you the product. They authorize the purchase, but do not complete it. BFL could not support credit cards to pre-order because CC companies frown on imaginary products being sold (they will yank your account and freeze your funds). That puts them into a very gray legal area. For instance, how do they account for those funds? They cannot be sales because they have not shipped the units. Do they collect sales tax? Do they escrow the funds? Are they using the funds for capital investments and/or development? Did they notify their customers that their pre-order funds would be used for these purposes and does that constitute a solicitation of investment?

Edit: And yes, ASICMiner has only achieved 24% of the network hash rate. I believe only Avalon unit account for a larger percentage. But ASICMiner is walking carefully for very good reason. Right now, friedcat and btcguild could get together and attempt a 51% attack. The fact that it only takes 2 entities to accomplish this makes a lot of people nervous.

Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME )
But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC..

yeah but the best part is he see you quoting me so what did that tool really accomplish?

I like that too...

The trouble is that xian can no longer respond to you, seeing as he stated he is 'ignoring' you. Although he did previously state that he added me to his 'ignore' list - but later replied anyway, so you might get lucky...