Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 26. (Read 59168 times)

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The smell of desperation hangs thick in the air.

I am clearly very dumb.

This is exactly what Josh would have said/done.
Look at this dude's post history. Had to post today in Newbie to satisfy the ability to get outta jail to shill like a big boy in our sandbox.
I'm sad to say, but if this is truly the game that BFL is playing oppose to spending their efforts on product development, then all them investors are in a rude awakening.

Why the fuck didn't I think of this earlier! Either the pre-orders are considered sales or people of considered investors. It can't be both ways.

On the sales front, if BFL on record in stating that pre-orders are considered sales, somehow nixing the investor aspect?

If sales, then sales tax MUST have been paid to the state of Kansas and Missouri, for they were located in the latter last year.

Now that April 15, has come and gone, I'm wondering if they filed, stating them millions of dollars of gross sales. The IRS does pay a 10% bounty for turning in non-payers.

https://www.kssst.kdor.ks.gov/webLookupResults.cfm

Date Registered: November 03, 2012, 11:21:57 AM

Your fascination with the word distorted is noted. You have used it at least once in last few posts. You also mentioned NLP a little while back. I am sure there is a link here somewhere... help me figure it out.

I hope you arent fixing hard drives today :
https://plus.google.com/104100515304524528467/about?gl=us&hl=en

Did you get my postcards?

oh shit .. did I let the cat out the bag .. fuck .. ooopss

Date Registered: November 03, 2012, 11:21:57 AM

Wait, you mean we have nothing to gain by having BFL ship and meet their performance specs?

Here I am sitting on a ton of BitCoins and my whoredom to Avalon is so great that I wouldn't ever dream/want to make money from a cheaper (yet unreliable?) alternative called BFL?

Raise your hand if you wouldn't buy from a cheaper alternative? I buy hardware to mine Bitcoins, not to "date" the vendors rep.

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The only truth is I am waiting to see if "the Avalon Clones" being made are worthwhile. They may be alot cheaper than even the BFL Hardware. Their reliability is still an unanswerable question. In which case, if BFL fails it will be my first strategic choice.

Your assumptions are distorted and inane.

Sorry I am a noob.. I don't understand .. throw a dog a bone..

Umm .. I believe we were discussing a bet ... you still talking shit .. or is your money where you mouth isn't ?

Do they collect sales tax?

Combined Code :   OVEJO
Combined Jurisdiction :   Overland Park
Total Tax Rate:   8.65%

Tax Entities
State Of Kansas:   6.300%
Johnson County:   1.225%
City of Overland Park:   1.125%

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With hindsight, of course he should have sold his units. I personally never thought BFL would stoop to canceling the orders of angry customers. Especially the ones from June/July of 2012. I *think* BFL has the right to refund any of the pre-orders, should they wish to do so. On the other hand, that might open them up to legal issues if they don't deliver on a significant chunk of their pre-orders. I have already posted the relevant sections of Missouri law they are in violation of. It seems to be a pretty powerful statute.

It is pretty clear Xian could have gotten more than just his refund had he sold his orders on these forums. He has also been a bit strident about it, his spelling and grammar have been mediocre as well. However, he is righteously pissed, and I am not at my literary best when I am upset either. Still, his actions in this thread leave a lot of room for improvement.  

http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/chapters/chap407.htm

Yes, when he ordered it was scheduled for October. After that date came and went, the series of misrepresentations about the state of the product became more numerous. But even before then, statements about measurements of power usage and performance were made. It was only after BFL shipped their first few units that people realized that those claims about power usage could not possibly have been valid. In fact, there is much evidence to suggest that BFL did not have any working chips at all by October 2012. Of course, that would have made it impossible to measure the power usage of them.


Yes. Having their customers agree to the new specifications was a very important legal hurdle for BFL to surmount. Had they not done so, they would have been up a creek sans paddle so to speak. The problem is that BFL took payment in full for the pre-orders. Most companies do not charge your card for the full amount until they can ship you the product. They authorize the purchase, but do not complete it. BFL could not support credit cards to pre-order because CC companies frown on imaginary products being sold (they will yank your account and freeze your funds). That puts them into a very gray legal area. For instance, how do they account for those funds? They cannot be sales because they have not shipped the units. Do they collect sales tax? Do they escrow the funds? Are they using the funds for capital investments and/or development? Did they notify their customers that their pre-order funds would be used for these purposes and does that constitute a solicitation of investment?