Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 50. (Read 59168 times)

BFL has plenty of motivation to ship their product instead of mine with them: future profits.

ASICMINER is killing it right now because of the time delays that BFL has already incurred.  This has lost BFL sales and future profits. people are paying 2BTC a pop for USB miners that do 300 MH/s right now.

Avalon continues to ship as well, and are now shipping their chips which people are ordering on their own to build custom ASIC units.  2-3 months and there will be users on this forum that are likely able to produce them.  Already and surely by then there will be plenty of people who can get refunds and can go this route.

Meanwhile if BFL actually was able to ship at volume they would have a huge advantage and every $ or BTC going to these companies and folks over the next 6 months would be largely going to them.

So the question is, if you had 100 5 gh/s units ready to sell for $247.00 each right now, and selling them would get you a huge chunk of the market share coming up, why would you be mining with them to generate ~$2,700 a day in Bitcoin?

One thing is for sure, putting wrenchmonkey on ignore is the way to go.  He's filled this thread with nonsense, bad advice and worse "logic".  And it's pretty likely he has some kind of personal attachment to BFL.

That's how I understood it.

I don't think he meant that, but I am not sure.  I took it to mean that with ASIC mining being so profitable, GREED will keep the suckers on the hook as the months continue to roll by.  I think you have to read the whole paragraph to get the full meaning.

I could be wrong.

 Fair enough. A misinterpretation on my part. I find the accusation that BFL is mining with their own hardware right now for profit as a bit hard to believe. That would require them to have volume of product to ship with; something they seemingly do not have yet, nor are in a position to divulge more accurate shipping details to their customers.

 If they want to mine with all their ASICs and only trickle them out to customers, there is nothing stopping them I suppose.

Let me fix that for you...

More name calling ? Good lord. I took that to read by the time network difficulty is 100M, BFL will be in a position to ship in volume, but perhaps I am obtuse.

That was exactly what he was implying.  Are you really this obtuse?  Wait...don't answer that last question.   

I haven't read through the rest of his or anybody's history (or paid enough attention to individual posters in these threads in general) to comment on that.  From my perspective, the general tone that any BFL thread takes on gets way out of hand very quickly and is mostly noise between a few names that pop up again and again.  I'm sure there are a lot of people with a huge amount potentially lost or gained on the delays, so emotions are understandable - but hardly okay.


So, is the suggestion that wrenchmonkey or minternj BFL employees, or Josh in disguise?  I just don't believe that to be so.

I registered on these forums on April 25th.  I've been following Bitcoin for about 8 months prior to that either on simply reading here, or on r/Bitcoin.  I was in a very similar position as wrenchmonkey was close to the time that he made each of those posts.  Regardless of what happened after that, I can confirm that Wrenchmonkey's initial experience was a shared one and probably by more than just two of us.

Then explain this sentence?

That's not what he's saying at all. Welcome to my ignore list. Your contributions to this thread have now become nonsensical.

More FUD. What evidence do you have for your implication that they're mining with customer ASIC units? Any at all? Nooooope. But don't let that get in the way of you posting your bullshit.

Most companies that extend their initial delivery date by 800% on a $2000 order aren't in business anymore. Its a nice system they got going on. Post some updates on their bfl forums, give absolutely no timeframes or concrete evidence to show that production is nearing. Apparently processing now means they are still revamping the prototype.

 What's the rush when mining with asics is this proffitable? Just throw some water on the fire over on the bitcoitalk forums to get them to shut up for another couple weeks. If their are any bad ones, just give them refunds so they will stop giving us a bad reputation. This way we can keep the preorders rolling in.

I'm so glad I wasn't around here during the initial preorder time. I'd be furious with bfl. I bet when the difficulty jumps to 100,000,000 those asics are going to fly out the doors of bfl.

Posting in BFL threads. Sure. Defending BFL? Not by a long shot. You're seeking to obfuscate the issue.

You also ignore that all of those posts were in THIS thread. Nor were they all "defending BFL" but rather pointing out that the OP was trolling BFL and THAT is why he was blacklisted.


Again, how is the registration date of my account relevant? Your statements weren't being addressed, because they bear no relevance, or any apparent cogent point. The whole thing is just a giant appeal to motive fallacy, and generally a waste of intelligent people's time.


No rage here. Just pointing out the facts. The OP's persecution complex is entertaining, but again, he poked the bear, repeatedly, and should have expected what he got."


I joined the forums a month ago, because I finally decided it was worth the effort of joining and posting in the n00b cage for a few hours, in order to be able to post in other parts of the forum that were of interest. I'd been holding out on ordering BFL for months, there happened to be a discussion on the first page of the only forum area I could post in (and was in fact REQUIRED to make posts in). I stated my opinion in one of those threads, both to help the OP, to express my opinion, and to meet the end goal of getting the fuck out of the n00b cage.

True to my word, I bought a BFL product as soon as I saw proof of a working product in the wild.

I have been calling out trolls ever since. I'm not defending behaviors on BFL, I don't comment on the policies or decisions of BFL, because I don't have any actual personal knowledge of what's going on behind closed doors in their corporate meetings. But I can spot a troll, and I do enjoy bitchslapping trolls with a little bit of truth from time-to-time. The subject matter doesn't really make much difference to me. It's just that the majority of trolling that happens on this forum is aimed at BFL. Hence, those are the trolls who get bitchslapped.

Haters gonna hate.  

True. But my point was mostly that wrenchmonkey got here a month ago, and declared his purchase of BFL product while still in the newbie forum. He routinely calls people who criticize BFL "trolls", "douches" and "retards". Wrenchmonkey is not a voice of reason about BFL. He is a combination of confirmation bias run wild and a sociopath's take on treatment of customers.


Right. He was skeptical of BFL (for 1 post) until BFL shipped a couple of dozen Jalapeno's to media and developers. Then he bought their product. All while still in the newbie forum.

Yes, it appears Wrenchmonkey's perspective on BFL changed in a matter of a few posts, but I am pointing out that 8-9 days lapsed before that happened.  These were (subjectively) significant days in ASIC development.

I'm only bringing up other relevant parts of Wrenchmonkey's post history in an attempt for further transparency, since when you first brought it up, it was his post when he said he was ordering.  Not the one from 9 days before when he was skeptical.

I don't need to provoke him, he reached Amy's Baking Service level rage some time ago.

In case you missed out on the rest of the discussion:
wrenchmonkey showed up on the forums a month ago.
He bought BFL product.
He has been defending BFL like Josh is his lover.

Maybe he will get bumped to the top of the ship queue? Who knows. I do know that he thinks its ok to abuse customers.

You are not contradicting my statement that "Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum."
Nor are you contradicting my statement that "36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL."
Finally, you are not contradicting my statement that his account was registered April 16th.

Perhaps you could be more specific about your criticism of my post? It sounds like you are disagreeing with me, but I am not sure how.

His comprehension is fine.  He's just an asshole trying to provoke you.

You're just wasting your time here now.