Objectivity is highly frowned upon by the majority of posters in this thread.
Dude... There's that glass house again, keep getting chipped away. Clearly you are being objective, right ?
Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 51. (Read 59168 times)
May 17, 2013, 12:27:37 PM
Dude... There's that glass house again, keep getting chipped away. Clearly you are being objective, right ?
May 17, 2013, 12:25:58 PM
Yup, because I say things I actually BELIEVE.
Quote
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one.
I put my money where my mouth is. The day I saw confirmed customers receive Butterfly products was the day I ordered.
Neeeeeext!
Glad you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the Newbies forum.
You just got here last month.
You call people trolls, douches, and retards.
Nice try, but you can't erase your post history.
Ummm, no. All I did was do what I said I would do, and place an order when I said I would. Not before. And not after. Your reading comprehension is REALLLY bad...
I am glad that you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the newbies forum.
Your reading comprehension is REALLLY bad.
May 17, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
Yup, because I say things I actually BELIEVE.
Quote
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one.
I put my money where my mouth is. The day I saw confirmed customers receive Butterfly products was the day I ordered.
Neeeeeext!
Glad you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the Newbies forum.
You just got here last month.
You call people trolls, douches, and retards.
Nice try, but you can't erase your post history.
Ummm, no. All I did was do what I said I would do, and place an order when I said I would. Not before. And not after. Your reading comprehension is REALLLY bad...
I am glad that you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the newbies forum.
May 17, 2013, 12:23:42 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
Now, now, it looks like you're intentionally ignoring THIS:
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
That was a post in a thread about buying BFL pre-orders off of Ebay, not ordering from BFL in general.
And yes, you did mention that BFL was vaporware until it shipped. Then 3 posts later you bought one.
@ThatDGuy: you should read the thread he posted that in, and then read his next 3 posts and the threads he posted them in. If only you had taken more than 1 minute...
I took another minute. 8 days of difference between the posts between the posts, and one day before he decided to order it appears he is still not convinced.
the jalapenos are rolling out
Do you have evidence to support that claim?
Careful, ThatDguy, if you look through my post history without the 'benefit' of confirmation bias, you might actually come away with an objective overview of my posting history. Objectivity is highly frowned upon by the majority of posters in this thread. You my find yourself accused of being a BFL shill account, if you don't fall in line with the hoard.
May 17, 2013, 12:22:51 PM
$4,698.00 credited to my Paypal account, and moved out to my bank.
What an absolutely incredible ride. Bravo Butterfly Labs.
You know who I really feel bad for ? It's Jody
She's on the front line of all this, just doing as she's told.
Now... it's time to buy some popcorn with that refund money.
What an absolutely incredible ride. Bravo Butterfly Labs.
You know who I really feel bad for ? It's Jody
She's on the front line of all this, just doing as she's told.Now... it's time to buy some popcorn with that refund money.
Don't feel bad for Jody. She's a 63-year-old lady (fact!) who's been around the block a few times and knows exactly what her position is there at Camp BFL. She was not a hire right off the street, for she's know the Vleisides' for many a years. Remember, she lives with John and cleans the chicken coop together.
May 17, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Yup, because I say things I actually BELIEVE.
Quote
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one.
I put my money where my mouth is. The day I saw confirmed customers receive Butterfly products was the day I ordered.
Neeeeeext!
Glad you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the Newbies forum.
You just got here last month.
You call people trolls, douches, and retards.
Nice try, but you can't erase your post history.
Ummm, no. All I did was do what I said I would do, and place an order when I said I would. Not before. And not after. Your reading comprehension is REALLLY bad...
May 17, 2013, 12:19:51 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
Now, now, it looks like you're intentionally ignoring THIS:
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
That was a post in a thread about buying BFL pre-orders off of Ebay, not ordering from BFL in general.
And yes, you did mention that BFL was vaporware until it shipped. Then 3 posts later you bought one.
@ThatDGuy: you should read the thread he posted that in, and then read his next 3 posts and the threads he posted them in. If only you had taken more than 1 minute...
I took another minute. 8 days of difference between the posts between the posts, and one day before he decided to order it appears he is still not convinced.
the jalapenos are rolling out
Do you have evidence to support that claim?
May 17, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Yup, because I say things I actually BELIEVE.
Quote
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one.
I put my money where my mouth is. The day I saw confirmed customers receive Butterfly products was the day I ordered.
Neeeeeext!
Glad you finally agree with me that you have been promoting BFL since the Newbies forum.
You just got here last month.
You call people trolls, douches, and retards.
Nice try, but you can't erase your post history.
May 17, 2013, 12:16:50 PM
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
It's telling that you are resorting to name-calling now. You know who else resorts to name-calling when they are backed into a corner and their frustrations are running high ?
Um, let me guess. Is his screenname Xian01?
May 17, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
Now, now, it looks like you're intentionally ignoring THIS:
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
That was a post in a thread about buying BFL pre-orders off of Ebay, not ordering from BFL in general.
And yes, you did mention that BFL was vaporware until it shipped. Then 3 posts later you bought one.
Yup, because I say things I actually BELIEVE.
Quote
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one.
I put my money where my mouth is. The day I saw confirmed customers receive Butterfly products was the day I ordered.
Neeeeeext!
May 17, 2013, 12:14:56 PM
WTF
Sock puppets or stockholm syndrome?
people do not cancel because all 2 weeks:
Sorry for the delay. xxx is to blame. But this time: shipping in 14 days.
They missed targets? lol
What do you think BFL had in November? When they campaigned with "we ship in 14 days".
I would pull my money out as fast as possible.
Do not believe this PR shit anymore. I think cashflow problems -->now they need new money
Sock puppets or stockholm syndrome?
people do not cancel because all 2 weeks:
Sorry for the delay. xxx is to blame. But this time: shipping in 14 days.
They missed targets? lol
What do you think BFL had in November? When they campaigned with "we ship in 14 days".
I would pull my money out as fast as possible.
Do not believe this PR shit anymore. I think cashflow problems -->now they need new money
You missed the point of my post if that is what you are referencing.
May 17, 2013, 12:14:42 PM
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
It's telling that you are resorting to name-calling now. You know who else resorts to name-calling when they are backed into a corner and their frustrations are running high ?
May 17, 2013, 12:13:39 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
Now, now, it looks like you're intentionally ignoring THIS:
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
That was a post in a thread about buying BFL pre-orders off of Ebay, not ordering from BFL in general.
And yes, you did mention that BFL was vaporware until it shipped. Then 3 posts later you bought one.
@ThatDGuy: you should read the thread he posted that in, and then read his next 3 posts and the threads he posted them in. If only you had taken more than 1 minute...
May 17, 2013, 12:09:15 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
Now, now, it looks like you're intentionally ignoring THIS:
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
Your argument is rendered invalid, 'tard.
May 17, 2013, 12:09:09 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
It took literally one minute of searching to find the post he was referencing.
BFL is vaporware until it actually ships. No way in hell I'd send payment in bitcoins for an ebay transaction for a product that doesn't even exist yet.
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
I was pretty sure that ebay banned selling products you don't actually have. I'd report the sellers, and then run like hell from that scam.
The day I see confirmed customers receiving their Butterfly products is the day I order one. Not a moment before. Does that mean I'll be behind the curve? Maybe, but then again, I also won't be giving out interest free loans on thousands of dollars...
May 17, 2013, 12:08:43 PM
May 17, 2013, 12:06:33 PM
You people really belong in an institution...
Now now Josh, what have I said in the past about you and glass houses...
You've lost the argument, so now you've resorted to insisting that I am Josh? You truly ARE out of ideas.
Game. Set. Match.
May 17, 2013, 12:05:49 PM
That's because your posts ARE dumb, dude. You're an imbecile, in every sense of the word. You're intentionally obtuse. NOTHING will show you the error of your ways. You can't see the distinction between 'being frustrated' and 'being a troll'. Go figure that Josh also thinks you're an idiot. You ARE.
Josh ? Is that you talking about yourself in third person again ?
Wrenchmonkey was even posting in BFL threads in the newbies forum.
You mean the one where I cautioned people not to place any new orders until there was actual independent proof of an ASIC product in the wild? The one where I stated that BFL ASICs were "vaporware" until that happened?
Name: wrenchmonkey
Posts: 283
Position: Sr. Member
Date Registered: April 16, 2013, 01:09:04 AM
36 out of last 40 posts are defending BFL.
Here is you in the newbie forum talking about your order with BFL.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1932676
May 17, 2013, 12:05:19 PM
You people really belong in an institution...
Now now Josh, what have I said in the past about you and glass houses...
May 17, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
using bureaucratic agencies to exact your vengeance.
Correction: Using bureaucratic agencies to shed light on a company that openly has contempt for it's customers, fires those customers after they've endured one delay after another, one broken promise after another, more taunting and unprofessionalism from an officer of the company, after calling them out on it in a public forum. This is not normal behavior to see from a product developer. I don't know what country you live in, or what other companies you have dealt with that treated you similarly, and think it's OK.
In retrospect, I should indeed have taken a refund. Captain Hindsight and so on and so forth.
Pre-orders are a risky business. They're fraught with delays. Anybody who buys into a pre-order with pre-conceived notions other than "I'll get this eventually, and be among the first to get it, when they FINALLY come" needs to reevaluate their participation in pre-orders.
I've personally handled group buys/preorders in the past as well. I refuse to do them anymore, because something ALWAYS happens, and you end up 'breaking promises' due to circumstances beyond your control. When pre-orders have been delayed in the past, I've offered people the option to obtain refunds. The people who didn't want to wait anymore took the refunds. Some took refunds faster than others, some waited longer than others, but every single one of them had the common sense to recognize that the ball was in THEIR court. If they chose to continue to wait, then that choice was on THEM, not on me. If people had started trashing me, I'd have refunded their pre-order money as well. In the end, the reasonable people all walked away no worse for the wear. The people who waited got their product eventually. The people who didn't, got their money.
And people have BEGGED me to run similar pre-orders since. But I don't do it anymore, even though 99.9% of the people involved were reasonable throughout the whole thing. I think the majority of BFL buyers are the same way (reasonable, that is), but the vocal majority sure to make it suck for everybody else.
Bureaucratic agencies aren't there to repair hurt feelings, or to punish companies for saying things that strike you as 'unprofessional'. They're there to address cases of ACTUAL fraud, which you've admitted you don't believe is the case. Hence, your behavior and decision to waste the time of those agencies is childish and petty, and worthy of nothing but scorn and contempt.
But keep digging, I guess...
Too bad you're not BFL. You're just some random joe blow on a forum, you're not a professional company, which is what BFL is aspiring to be. There's the difference.
In your world, customers would never complain about BFL and just sit there for another year, am I right?
[bangs head on wall repeatedly]
Complaining is one thing. Trolling is another. Plenty of people have complained without a ban. I don't know how many more times I can state this to you idiots. Complaining =/= trolling. Complaining =/= blacklisting. Trolling MIGHT get you blacklisted.
You people really belong in an institution...
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