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Topic: Butterfly Labs November Update (ASIC Chips are "flawed". Delays.) - page 3. (Read 24693 times)

legendary
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hero member
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full member
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Yet nobody is going to the AG about bASIC. That's a little odd, isn't it?

Not sure I follow. bASIC didn't open for pre-order until much later.

And if you compare the timelines, BitcoinINV should have gone to the AG about bASIC about 2 weeks ago. Considering he cried to the AG (and we still can't really figure out why) approximately 3 months ago before even the FIRST BFL shipping delay was announced. That means bASIC is AHEAD of BFL on BitcoinINV's magical "I'm so upset and I don't know why!" timeline, yet he's only cried to mommy and daddy about BFL.
sr. member
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Inaba said it was real, in a prior post where other documents were posted.

The worst part about this is, BFL has customers standing up for its company. Ask yourself would you stand up for Samsung or other companies if they were behaving the same way? That fact that the community rolls over in such a way is crazy, and if you stand up for something you feel is not right you have people attack you. I understand all the problems BFL is having and I called them from the start. I never once said BFL would not deliver a product. But I did say it would be New year before they anyone would ever see it. I also believe at the start BFL had nothing but a Idea, they pre-sold you a Idea and then built it. In normal circumstances that would be called a investment, but they spun it so it would be a "Pre-order". If BFL would have been past the "Idea" Phase and actually had some solid work done they would have been close to if not already shipped. If you do not believe me this is how BFL funded there new product do the math.
Singles X prices = X * 30% <---- Thats a HIGH estimate of profit per item.
Miniriges X Prices = X * 30%

This would be the working capital, and this does not subtract staff, rent, electric things of that nature. If you think they made that much money off FPGA's sales to pay for all this rethink it.

I just looked into that FTC thing about the 30 day's and must be re-authorized, its 100% on and they fined JR Reynolds tons of money for not complying to it.  Shocked
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-rule

SLok
http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/59be4357-41f3-4377-b10f-3e8bd532da5f/Complaint-Form.aspx
and I posted this already Its a digital Complaint then I called and talked to Mrs. little.
All the AG asked me is if I was satisfied with the result of the case I had a choice to pursue or to mark as satisfied. I have not responded so the case is still pending.



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sr. member
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Yet nobody is going to the AG about bASIC. That's a little odd, isn't it?

Not sure I follow. bASIC didn't open for pre-order until much later.
legendary
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chips don't exist?

add clock buffers.

I hereby acknowledge tacotime as the source of all the awesomes in my new avatar.

Custom hardware forum has replaced alt coins as my new source of entertainment it seems
full member
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Yet nobody is going to the AG about bASIC. That's a little odd, isn't it?
hero member
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I saw the document he posted. Doesn't guarantee it's authenticity, but he did post a pic of a doc that was either the real deal or a really good fake.
That was the answer from bfl at the ag  that was sent through to him. I'm asking for the complaint letter he sent to that ag, and the ag's answer HE got.
sr. member
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I saw the document he posted. Doesn't guarantee it's authenticity, but he did post a pic of a doc that was either the real deal or a really good fake.
hero member
Activity: 568
Merit: 500
meaningless bullshit removed

Here's the actual list:

1. The CEO is a convicted felon who
1.a. Is in probation/supervised release.
1.b. Is prohibited by the terms of his deal from doing a number of things BFL is doing, such as taking money from people.
1.c. Failed to disclose this; once discovered by 3rd parties he made a half-assed statement about "the mean government". Promised post with further details "over the weekend", never materialized.

This was explained away on the vague theory that while convicted "he wasn't really guilty" and while the CEO "he doesn't really have anything to do with the company".

2. BFL is a company that
2.a. Consistently made promises which were then not kept, such as to the time of delivery (blown in the past by 4 months +) and specifications of the items delivered (significantly larger power consumption).
2.b. Consistently takes money from perspective customers in exchange for products that do not actually exist. These don't constitute pre-orders, even if BFL calls them that, but loans to the company.<----- This is what people should really be pissed about, and its illegal

This was never explained other than "doing things is hard".

3. BFL PR is a guy who
3.a. Is a loudmouth just like I am, except he makes a lot less sense, rarely has a point and also lacks tits.

Enjoy.

(And yes, my personal opinion is that dud run = bankruptcy.)

I agree with you, wow that was hard to say.
 I  called this months ago... but I was a fud flinger.
Now I just want to go with told you so.   Roll Eyes
People worried about the FTC call them, they will then connect you to the Attorney General's office file your complaint get real info. It is the only way BFL will release information which is sad.
Months ago? Was that when BFL, not you, cancelled you whopping order for 1, yes 1, Jalapeno? So much to your regret, that ever since you try to convince people with this GA fud, with that BFL answer to that AG, the letter which you showed so proudly, but actually showed nothing of any importance at all, just BFL info anyone already knew?
That answer, to YOUR LETTER TO THAT AG THAT YOU WILL NOT SHOW HERE just like that letter from the AG DIRECTED AT YOU, after several requests, because it would prove that you actually have nothing?

Posted both of them.... Where have you been? The fact that they were showing fake pics.. did that pass you to?
Stop drinking so much BFL koolaid its bad for your teeth.
You did not, I requested it several times in that topic, but can you be so kind and show me the link to them? And please stop that koolaid joke, it has a beard by now.
hero member
Activity: 568
Merit: 500
Nothing + Nothing still equals Nothing.



People are pissed off at BFL, deal with it. People got their hopes up.
People have that right to be pissed off about BFL, hell I'm pissed off about BFL, but I'm not spreading fud or plain lies like bitcoininv or the guy he quoted.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
meaningless bullshit removed

Here's the actual list:

1. The CEO is a convicted felon who
1.a. Is in probation/supervised release.
1.b. Is prohibited by the terms of his deal from doing a number of things BFL is doing, such as taking money from people.
1.c. Failed to disclose this; once discovered by 3rd parties he made a half-assed statement about "the mean government". Promised post with further details "over the weekend", never materialized.

This was explained away on the vague theory that while convicted "he wasn't really guilty" and while the CEO "he doesn't really have anything to do with the company".

2. BFL is a company that
2.a. Consistently made promises which were then not kept, such as to the time of delivery (blown in the past by 4 months +) and specifications of the items delivered (significantly larger power consumption).
2.b. Consistently takes money from perspective customers in exchange for products that do not actually exist. These don't constitute pre-orders, even if BFL calls them that, but loans to the company.<----- This is what people should really be pissed about, and its illegal

This was never explained other than "doing things is hard".

3. BFL PR is a guy who
3.a. Is a loudmouth just like I am, except he makes a lot less sense, rarely has a point and also lacks tits.

Enjoy.

(And yes, my personal opinion is that dud run = bankruptcy.)

I agree with you, wow that was hard to say.
 I  called this months ago... but I was a fud flinger.
Now I just want to go with told you so.   Roll Eyes
People worried about the FTC call them, they will then connect you to the Attorney General's office file your complaint get real info. It is the only way BFL will release information which is sad.
Months ago? Was that when BFL, not you, cancelled you whopping order for 1, yes 1, Jalapeno? So much to your regret, that ever since you try to convince people with this GA fud, with that BFL answer to that AG, the letter which you showed so proudly, but actually showed nothing of any importance at all, just BFL info anyone already knew?
That answer, to YOUR LETTER TO THAT AG THAT YOU WILL NOT SHOW HERE just like that letter from the AG DIRECTED AT YOU, after several requests, because it would prove that you actually have nothing?

Posted both of them.... Where have you been? The fact that they were showing fake pics.. did that pass you to?
Stop drinking so much BFL koolaid its bad for your teeth.
hero member
Activity: 1078
Merit: 502
Nothing + Nothing still equals Nothing.



People are pissed off at BFL, deal with it. People got their hopes up.
hero member
Activity: 568
Merit: 500
meaningless bullshit removed

Here's the actual list:

1. The CEO is a convicted felon who
1.a. Is in probation/supervised release.
1.b. Is prohibited by the terms of his deal from doing a number of things BFL is doing, such as taking money from people.
1.c. Failed to disclose this; once discovered by 3rd parties he made a half-assed statement about "the mean government". Promised post with further details "over the weekend", never materialized.

This was explained away on the vague theory that while convicted "he wasn't really guilty" and while the CEO "he doesn't really have anything to do with the company".

2. BFL is a company that
2.a. Consistently made promises which were then not kept, such as to the time of delivery (blown in the past by 4 months +) and specifications of the items delivered (significantly larger power consumption).
2.b. Consistently takes money from perspective customers in exchange for products that do not actually exist. These don't constitute pre-orders, even if BFL calls them that, but loans to the company.<----- This is what people should really be pissed about, and its illegal

This was never explained other than "doing things is hard".

3. BFL PR is a guy who
3.a. Is a loudmouth just like I am, except he makes a lot less sense, rarely has a point and also lacks tits.

Enjoy.

(And yes, my personal opinion is that dud run = bankruptcy.)

I agree with you, wow that was hard to say.
 I  called this months ago... but I was a fud flinger.
Now I just want to go with told you so.   Roll Eyes
People worried about the FTC call them, they will then connect you to the Attorney General's office file your complaint get real info. It is the only way BFL will release information which is sad.
Months ago? Was that when BFL, not you, cancelled you whopping order for 1, yes 1, Jalapeno? So much to your regret, that ever since you try to convince people with this GA fud, with that BFL answer to that AG, the letter which you showed so proudly, but actually showed nothing of any importance at all, just BFL info anyone already knew?
That answer, to YOUR LETTER TO THAT AG THAT YOU WILL NOT SHOW HERE just like that letter from the AG DIRECTED AT YOU, after several requests, because it would prove that you actually have nothing?
hero member
Activity: 1078
Merit: 502
CHICKEN..I gotta order me 10 Jalapeño chicken Caesar wraps.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
meaningless bullshit removed

Here's the actual list:

1. The CEO is a convicted felon who
1.a. Is in probation/supervised release.
1.b. Is prohibited by the terms of his deal from doing a number of things BFL is doing, such as taking money from people.
1.c. Failed to disclose this; once discovered by 3rd parties he made a half-assed statement about "the mean government". Promised post with further details "over the weekend", never materialized.

This was explained away on the vague theory that while convicted "he wasn't really guilty" and while the CEO "he doesn't really have anything to do with the company".

2. BFL is a company that
2.a. Consistently made promises which were then not kept, such as to the time of delivery (blown in the past by 4 months +) and specifications of the items delivered (significantly larger power consumption).
2.b. Consistently takes money from perspective customers in exchange for products that do not actually exist. These don't constitute pre-orders, even if BFL calls them that, but loans to the company.<----- This is what people should really be pissed about, and its illegal

This was never explained other than "doing things is hard".

3. BFL PR is a guy who
3.a. Is a loudmouth just like I am, except he makes a lot less sense, rarely has a point and also lacks tits.

Enjoy.

(And yes, my personal opinion is that dud run = bankruptcy.)

I agree with you, wow that was hard to say.
 I  called this months ago... but I was a fud flinger.
Now I just want to go with told you so.   Roll Eyes
People worried about the FTC call them, they will then connect you to the Attorney General's office file your complaint get real info. It is the only way BFL will release information which is sad.
legendary
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I hereby acknowledge tacotime as the source of all the awesomes in my new avatar.
I hereby acknowledge that you are funny.  Smiley

What's funny is this clock buffer business.  The clock tree is the most fragile and delicate part of a synchronous chip, and the hardest to troubleshoot.  I cannot imagine what made them think that this was going to make people any less concerned.


maybe they means add some buffers on the PCB ? Grin

You guys just don't get it, it was a typo. I've included an image of the updated board for reference.


Take that, competition. BFL products will be the only ones featuring exclusive access to Country Kitchen content, and will now run on fried chicken instead of electricity.
legendary
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I hereby acknowledge tacotime as the source of all the awesomes in my new avatar.
I hereby acknowledge that you are funny.  Smiley

What's funny is this clock buffer business.  The clock tree is the most fragile and delicate part of a synchronous chip, and the hardest to troubleshoot.  I cannot imagine what made them think that this was going to make people any less concerned.


maybe they means add some buffers on the PCB ? Grin

To avoid surprises, you already know how many clock buffer must have your PCB?  Grin
hero member
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We will stand and fight.
I hereby acknowledge tacotime as the source of all the awesomes in my new avatar.
I hereby acknowledge that you are funny.  Smiley

What's funny is this clock buffer business.  The clock tree is the most fragile and delicate part of a synchronous chip, and the hardest to troubleshoot.  I cannot imagine what made them think that this was going to make people any less concerned.


maybe they means add some buffers on the PCB ? Grin
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Another block in the wall

"I know! We'll just tell them something about clock buffers! There's no entry for that on Wikipedia, so they'll never know what we are talking about and people will instead acknowledge our technological prowess in awed silence. Go Go Gadget Misinformation Campaign!"

Yep.

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