Butterfly Labs November Update (ASIC Chips are "flawed". Delays.) - page 6.

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Quote from: BFL-Engineer on November 28, 2012, 09:42:08 AM

Hi Everyone,

We've been very busy recently, unfortunately I couldn't catch up with the forums. There is a correction to be made: Chips are not and were not flawed. We decided to add certain clock buffers to improve noise-resistance and possibly increase frequency even further. The improve in noise resistance was our real goal (average frequency increase across a full wafer can be a bi-product). The decision was made to increase the near 100% chance of success even more. We'll keep you posted. If you had any questions, please let us know.

Regards,
Nasser

You already have a chip with near 100% success and you postponed release so you could get even better than near 100% success? Right.

Jack1Rip1BurnIt

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Trust me, these default swaps will limit the risks

People won't be pissed if the developers receive a freaking jalepeno. Period.

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on November 28, 2012, 11:14:33 AM

That's why I think they changed the story.

If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..

Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

Anything they show by video will be immediately dismissed as a fake.

If they send early release devices to a few operators, everyone will be howling about how unfair it is that a few inner-circle people get to use the hardware while the difficulty is still low.

BFL needs to invite a BTC-savvy reporter in to review their pre-release hardware, someone with enough of a reputation to be widely perceived as legit.

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on November 28, 2012, 11:14:33 AM

Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

+1

I'm not sure I'm understanding the operational and PR processes BFL is going through on all this. In this case, because the product is very much still in R&D, it doesn't need to be absolutely perfect in every way before the customer sees a prototype. Just show me a board with some chips hashing on a test network...it may have noise, heat, wattage, hashing, or other problems, but at least it would be known that it does exist and does work.

I can take pictures of circuit boards with chips on them all day..doesn't mean they work though Wink

Come on BFL..give us something to work with here.

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That's why I think they changed the story.

If they had a working chip they would be pushing it in everyones face... They would get more orders because their the first to show a working prototype.

But nothing but stories and delays..

Why not get the miner dev's an underclocked working prototype so we have working software for these ASIC's?

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Quote from: AndrewBUD on November 28, 2012, 09:58:00 AM

Like others have said why not put people at ease and show the community this "slower" working chip in action.

why ? Because it is a top secret project of BFL + NASA + FBI + Obama Wink

BFL likes to boast about proof of success, they showed a lot of photos. If they would have working chips that would also be shown. Now just fix their PR. The news about defective chips frightens new customers. It is a wise strategy.

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Are you saying that you guys already have a working chip that needed improvements?

Like others have said why not put people at ease and show the community this "slower" working chip in action.

Would it not make sense to release this slower chip to miner devs to have working software?

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Hi Everyone,

We've been very busy recently, unfortunately I couldn't catch up with the forums. There is a correction to be made: Chips are not and were not flawed. We decided to add certain clock buffers to improve noise-resistance and possibly increase frequency even further. The improve in noise resistance was our real goal (average frequency increase across a full wafer can be a bi-product). The decision was made to increase the near 100% chance of success even more. We'll keep you posted. If you had any questions, please let us know.

Regards,
Nasser

Badonkadonk

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can we have any more threads about this shit allready? god...

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I wonder how much money it would take to bribe a Chinese foundry to purposely fark some companies chip runs a few times to get an edge?

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Quote from: repentance on November 28, 2012, 05:42:56 AM

now that they know BFL alone is going to be throwing 100,000 chips at the network.

They don't know BFL is making 100k chips. They know BFL would like them to think this, and that however many chips BFL was going to make, it's now going to be 100k less.

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Quote from: monstrs on November 28, 2012, 04:56:45 AM

It seems not everyone is understanding that even BFL cant predict all problems that may have. Yes, they promised to deliver in october, but that was way long time ago and different problems can and is appearing. Be patient, if not, request payemnt, cant see any problem here.

The problem is that some people were silly enough to count on being to earn BTC with ASICs before the block reward halved and borrowed BTC on that basis. Some were probably even silly enough to count on ASIC mining funding their Christmas spending, too.

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Seems dubious anyone cares that BFL is saying "you have to wait till January". It's not particularly legal nor legitimate, and the sorts of money involved certainly make something a la Caldwell going after Bitcoinica more likely than "oh, let us send Nefario flowers" in case they refuse refunds.

They maintain that they have sufficient funds on hand to refund pre-orders. A more interesting question is whether people will continuing ordering ASICs - from anyone - now that they know BFL alone is going to be throwing 100,000 chips at the network. Is so much power going to be thrown at the network by the ASIC vendors combined that people will give up mining rather than keep spending large sums to earn no more than they're earning now?

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Quote from: freecoin on November 28, 2012, 01:16:48 AM

BFL ownership may not be lily-white, but consider who is running the best scam in the world and don't lose sight of it. Central banking has more victims than all other cons combined. In fact, if you walk around with Federal Reserve notes in your pocket, you're considered a reserve bank. You're in signature contract with a private cartel, you've been scammed by the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6fxC5CXMg

Fortunately, mining and using bitcoin helps end that scam.

Also in China they eat babies.

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Quote from: tacotime on November 27, 2012, 04:57:36 PM

chips don't exist?

add clock buffers.

Lol. Cheap meme generator ftw!

Quote from: repentance on November 27, 2012, 07:37:50 PM

This is one reason I wonder whether the chips even exist yet. If another company ships first, people are going to cancel their BFL orders in droves. Many will probably cancel their BFL orders come 1 January whether or not another company ships first.

Seems dubious anyone cares that BFL is saying "you have to wait till January". It's not particularly legal nor legitimate, and the sorts of money involved certainly make something a la Caldwell going after Bitcoinica more likely than "oh, let us send Nefario flowers" in case they refuse refunds.

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You know the BFL rigs are ready when tradeins are requested to be sent back, or at least a tradein email-in plan is sent out.
This should be at least 1 weeks notice.

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It seems not everyone is understanding that even BFL cant predict all problems that may have. Yes, they promised to deliver in october, but that was way long time ago and different problems can and is appearing. Be patient, if not, request payemnt, cant see any problem here.

Unacceptable

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Quote from: davidspitzer on November 27, 2012, 02:10:04 PM

Just to save everyone the time and cut down on the post clutter here are all the BFL Conspiracy theories in one post:

Redheads are the offspring of aliens and have been quietly infiltrating BFL in order to seed mind control hardware disguised as ASIC gear

freecoin

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BFL ownership may not be lily-white, but consider who is running the best scam in the world and don't lose sight of it. Central banking has more victims than all other cons combined. In fact, if you walk around with Federal Reserve notes in your pocket, you're considered a reserve bank. You're in signature contract with a private cartel, you've been scammed by the best. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6fxC5CXMg

Fortunately, mining and using bitcoin helps end that scam.

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Quote from: Bogart on November 27, 2012, 04:52:30 PM

If I were BFL, and I had chips that hashed, I would ship them out the door first thing. Leave the performance optimizations for subsequent generations. I think that's what their customers would prefer.

This is one reason I wonder whether the chips even exist yet. If another company ships first, people are going to cancel their BFL orders in droves. Many will probably cancel their BFL orders come 1 January whether or not another company ships first. If they have any working chips at all, it would make sense for them to ship something ASAP, even if it's only the low-end jalapenos (hell, they can even offer to let people have the chips exchanged later).

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I still can't believe why people preorder with these statements:

Code:

The mailings contained false statements, half truths, and omissions, and induced the victims to participate in various international lotteries, falsely stating that if the victims participated, they were guaranteed to win or had a very good chance to win.

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VLEISIDES and the other defendants did not buy any lottery tickets, and the vast majority of the victims lost the money they sent. The total loss from the scheme is in excess of $19 million.

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