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July 19, 2024, 10:36:08 AM

Well, your points are not actually bad but the most important knowledge that a new Bitcoin investor needs before applying security to his holdings is how to buy. If an investor knows how to buy he can also know how to secure his Bitcoin, at that moment he believes that it is his asset because he exchanged his fiat for Bitcoin through p2p, at this first point when he has purchased Bitcoin he doesn't care if he has make profits or not, the next step is for him to send the Bitcoin to the wallet he will use for holding. Which means after buying, the other important step is sending.
As a newbie to Bitcoin investment, you also need to calculate the figures of Bitcoin you have, so that while sending from the exchange you bought Bitcoin from to the wallet that you will use for holding you can be able to figure out the fees for your transactions so that you will know the figures of Bitcoin that you will receive.

Personally I feel a newbie should learn about a secure wallet and method to implement
You have said well but there is also something I want you to understand, as a newbie to Bitcoin investment, learning about a secured wallet when you have not yet buy any Bitcoin is not a good move,
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important thing is buy the Bitcoin first before any other thing, while waiting to know a good and reputable wallet to hold your Bitcoin you might have missed some good opportunities that won't come back again. Now let's say you wanted to buy $200 worth of Bitcoin, and you are still waiting because you are contemplating about a more secured wallet, you might miss the dip (if you are also the type that want to buy during dip period) and you might still end up not buying at all because you haven't seen any wallet that's suitable for you. Am only saying that you should buy first before making any other move that's why buying is the most important knowledge a new Bitcoin investor needs to know.
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Before learning how to * or sell.
You are still getting it wrong, as a new Bitcoin investor you don't need to sell yet because you haven't achieved anything (unless you are not investing for long term).
Long term investment is the goal and a new Bitcoin investor who has applied DCA method should not think of selling his/her Bitcoin anytime soon because holding BTC for long term is not about sell and buying again (only traders does that), you only need to buy, buy and buy until 5 or 10 years of investment. Dipping your hands into your investment won't profit you anything rather it will make you not achieve a good portfolio.
I kind of not agree with your perspective on newbies not learning about a secured wallet first before starting their investment, in fact, this should even be the very first thing to do because we are talking about where you are going to store your funds here and should be taking with priority, So to me, I believe it quite a very good move and even a wise thing to do for every beginner out there as this is one of the basic stuff we need know before kick-starting of any investment in the digital/crypto world.
Well, the truth is that if it's about Bitcoin investment the person need to start as soon as possible because every time waisted Bitcoin will either go down or goes up and if Bitcoin dips during the time the person haven't buy Bitcoin it will take a long time for Bitcoin to dip again. IMO if one has bought Bitcoin already, how to secure it will not be a problem, that's why I said earlier that the first knowledge a new Bitcoin investor needs is to know how to buy Bitcoin before learning how to secure it.
If you haven't own an asset and you are learning how to secure an asset what will you secure after learning it?
Learning how to secure your bitcoin before learning how to buy bitcoin makes no sense. If you already bought Bitcoin from an exchange, while learning how to secure it you might learn more things (is like using one stone to kill two birds), while learning how to secure your Bitcoin after buying Bitcoin you will also notice the price fluctuations, so it's not bad to learn how to buy Bitcoin before learning how to secure what you have bought.

Buying and HODLing bitcoin is very stressless,
I understand the peace when we just buy and hold bitcoin for long term. But at the same time, we have seen what happen when there is a bear market and price dips. People begin to panic a start selling off, and also don't forget how life even can occur,
Using DCA method to invest on Bitcoin is the best option because it gives us the peace of investing at our own comfort, and it doesn't put us in to the pressure of investing.
However, the truth is that only people who are not disciplined to invest on Bitcoin for long terms only panics when Bitcoin is dipping because their don't see the dip as an opportunity to invest more. They only want Bitcoin to skyrocket within a specific time of there's so that they could sell off and make profits on their own. But they should try and understand that Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme and they should also understand that for them to profit well on Bitcoin, they have to invest for long term.
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July 19, 2024, 10:00:27 AM
Let's say your weekly DCA is $50 and you know that withdrawal fee will be needed you can make it $55 and use the $5 to cover the fee. Before you can accumulate up to $200, you will have $220 worth of bitcoin and when you are withdrawing your asset, the fees won't be much of a concern to you because you have already made provision for it. You can't take because of withdrawal fee and expose your asset to possible risk. If the exchange get hacked you will regret and would have preferred paying the withdrawal fees that would have been more lesser than losing your entire assets. Little fees shouldn't make us fall victim rather let's plan ourselves to accommodate the withdrawal fees from onset.

Well I understand your points but however from your explanation don't you think the investor will lose a lot of money as a fee? Or being affected financially? Because for an investor to choose investing $50 on a weekly basis means that he cannot afford any other amounts higher than what he had budgeted for the Bitcoin accumulation on the weekly basis, so perhaps advising him to add extra $5 could indirectly be regarded as aggressive investment because is very certain is going to affect him on the process which is why in as much as we are always positive we should also consider some challenges that could possibly occurred if taking a certain decisions because having that mindset always guide us very well on our Bitcoin journey.

So actually after considering all this fact I think the best way is to utilized the Consolidate method of investment which simply means that instead of accumulation and withdrawing your accumulated Bitcoin from the Cex you could possibly give it months interval and by then you have gotten a huge amount of Bitcoin that you can possibly withdraw at ones into your custodian wallet and by then the amount you would have use as a fee will be very smaller compare to withdrawing on weekly basis.
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July 19, 2024, 08:22:53 AM
If you are a new investor then surely this investment strategy will work for you. You just continue to invest in this strategy consistently and at some point you will realize for yourself how positive this strategy has been for you. When you look at your total investment after a long period of time, you will be amazed at how much you have invested even with small investments.
Not only new investors but also many experienced or old investors are now increasing their investments by adopting DCA regularly.

Dollar cost averaging is a progressive and balanced investment strategy. One of our goals in investing in this way is to lower the average cost and even aim for better returns over the long term. Those who have sufficient capacity may not invest in this method, but those who do not have sufficient capacity and even if they are willing to invest, if they invest using this method, it becomes easier for them to invest. Because by adopting this method you will be able to invest even in small scale. Buy Bitcoins with the same amount of money every week or month using DCA regardless of whether the price of Bitcoin goes up or down. I read in the pages of the book that small grains of sand form continents. Similarly, if you invest in the dollar cost averaging method, your small investment will eventually turn into a large one.

The DCA strategy is a powerful packaged strategy which shouldn't only be prioritized it usage or talked about in terms of those that do not have sufficient money, but it is a strategy that is being used by any kind of investor irrespective of financial capacity because of it's tremendous benefits. However, just as we have always be saying that every investor must tailor down his or her choice of strategy or strategies to suit his or her, psychology, risk assessment level, financial capacity, investment goals and objectives, yeah one can have so much money and can decide to come into Bitcoin investment with the DCA strategy because that might be what suits him or her in terms of psychology or risk assessment level which differs from one another while the money can is there. Moreso, am not completely of the opinion that the DCA amount must be a fixed or the same amount, one can increase or decrease the DCA amount based on how much of your disposable income considering the fact that expenses can varies in weeks or months, but if you have it all figured out on how your DCA amount can be fixed without affecting your other living expenses negatively it can as well be good, my point is that your DCA amount shouldn't be seen as a burden because you want to meet up your specific dca amount.
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July 19, 2024, 08:22:09 AM
Actually people don't need to learn more technical information about bitcoin since anytime even with zero or less knowledge they could able to start their accumulation journey. They will just somehow waste their time if they do more exaggerated research because they afraid to commit mistake.

They could learn all of it on process especially when they already have money invested on bitcoin since frequent researching is needed and by that they could able to learn all things they needed and they can locate those valid arguments that able to help them learn. Learning Bitcoin is never ending process so they make sure that aside from researching they should accumulate since your research made will became nothing if you decide not to accumulate because you think research is important first before doing that actions or decision.


It's like someone who is constantly learning but never applies what they learn, like that is someone who is interested in Bitcoin and continues to do research and study, but never dares to enter the market just because they think they are not ready for it.

If someone continues to think that they are not ready to invest in bitcoin just because they think they are not ready, that is a mistake. A person must be able to learn and accumulate at the same time, and from this they will be able to see how investing in Bitcoin really is and how the knowledge they have accumulated is applied directly to their investment.

And later they will also be able to gain experience from this, and that is much more important than the knowledge they have.
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July 19, 2024, 08:21:22 AM
While you're being scared, smart money is doubling down.

That’s because this dip is nothing new.

As you can see, Bitcoin goes to a new all-time-high every 4 years:

2012: Bitcoin goes from $12 to $1000 = ~9,000% increase
2016: Bitcoin goes from $650 to $19K = ~3,000% increase
2020: Bitcoin goes from $8K to $69K = ~1,200% increase
2024: ?

Notice how, in every consecutive cycle, the #Bitcoin    returns get smaller by about ~60%.

That would imply a 450% price increase this cycle, putting Bitcoin at ~$330,000 per coin.
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Thoughts?




An investor will fully understand how to invest from here, because once you buy the dip it will hit the highest level in the next bull market. So it is proven that once an investor invests and if he buys DCA method or regular dip then he will definitely get success. And this figure proves the success of investors.


That post of yours reminded me of something like this meme about the Bitcoin doubters and the haters. Cool



I may sound like a broken record again for asking this question and using as a basis for a debate why are doubters being doubters, and why haters are being haters.

- How long must the network chug along and prove itself before they accept Bitcoin as a new asset class?

Note, every one must not and cannot accept Bitcoin as a new asset class as it is normal while others will be ignorant of it  others will as well be taken advantage of it's benefits, it has really shown and have proven beyond every reasonable doubt to have a solid foundation which alot of people I consider to be sighted, indecisive, refusing and failing to see the potentials that Bitcoin holds. Historically it is very much evidenced and vivid enough not to be doubted or hated,(anti Bitcoin). However, everyone is at liberty to do whatever they like.


In two or three decades, there will probably two different types of investors and it will be obvious merely by looking at their portfolio,

- Those who bought the DIP/DCA and who HODLs Bitcoin
- Those who have dismissed Bitcoin entirely, and it's performing relatively poorly for it

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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July 19, 2024, 07:48:51 AM
Exchange is the first place a new investor needs to store his bitcoin in the beginning because it is from exchange that he will buy his bitcoin from and because he is new in bitcoin and have the money to start buying immediately, he will leave his coins in an exchange and gradually when his bitcoin size is increasing due to regular DCA purchases, he can learn on which wallet that he can use to keep his bitcoin safe. You should also know that since he is a new investor and getting started immediately is the best no matter how little the amount is, he needs to pile up his bitcoin in an exchange so that it can get up to $500 and above before he can send it to his self custody wallet that is best for him.

If not for high transactions fees I see no reason why you should buy and accumulate Bitcoin in an exchange because it can become vulnerable to hacks, we should know that exchanges is not the best place to store our Bitcoin no matter how little it is because the security of our Bitcoin should be taken at utmost priority. I know that $500 may not appear too big for you but to some people it is especially when they think of the amount in Fiat they used to buy such quantity of Bitcoin so there is no amount that is too small to lose but as for me, so far as I have long term hodling targets, i will prefer to move my Bitcoins to self custodial wallets immediately after making the purchase. Exchanges are risky to keep one's bitcoin and leave till you have accumulated enough, don't forget that there were previous cases of exchanges crashing and a lot of people that had assets in those exchanges lost everything so we ought to give our assets maximum protection which is to seek for self custody wallets even though the asset may be very little, it's better to lose part of your assets as transaction fees than lose everything to exchange platforms.

Your idea of wtihdrawing your Bitcoin from an exchange to a self custody wallets is not bad but your reasoning ability looks a bit childish because how can you buy a small unit of Bitcoin and then you immediately withdraw it from an exchange to a self custody wallet? Isn't that stressful like making withdrawals all the time and considering the fact that someone who is using the DCA strategy will need to be buying Bitcoin at regular intervals which means if we are to buy your idea then Everytime we DCA we also withdraw it from the exchange it was bought from and transfer to a non custody wallets. Accumulating upto $500 to $1000 in an exchange isn't that too risky even though the amount may appear risky for you to leave in an exchange but it also depends on the amount you DCA that will tell how long it will take you to accumulate up to $1000 before moving it out of the exchange wallet to a non custody wallets.

Okay just consider the transaction fees it will take each time you try to withdraw a small unit of Bitcoin from your exchange to a non custody wallets, so it looks unprofessional even if a newbie may not understand this but it is still important for them to know because those amount that would be lost as transaction fees can still be retained if you consider accumulating a larger amount before withdrawing out from an exchange.
It all depends on the amount of money you are using to DCA. If it's someone that's buying up to $200 and above at once I will suggest you move it to non custodian wallet immediately after each purchases. But if it's someone that's buying with smaller amount, you can accumulate it till it gets to the region of $200 maximum then you can withdraw to your wallet. Another solution to this is that when you are making your budget to buy your bitcoin, you have to make provisions for withdrawal fees, since you are aware that exchanges requires withdrawal fees.

Let's say your weekly DCA is $50 and you know that withdrawal fee will be needed you can make it $55 and use the $5 to cover the fee. Before you can accumulate up to $200, you will have $220 worth of bitcoin and when you are withdrawing your asset, the fees won't be much of a concern to you because you have already made provision for it. You can't take because of withdrawal fee and expose your asset to possible risk. If the exchange get hacked you will regret and would have preferred paying the withdrawal fees that would have been more lesser than losing your entire assets. Little fees shouldn't make us fall victim rather let's plan ourselves to accommodate the withdrawal fees from onset.
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July 19, 2024, 05:49:05 AM
That is why every trader needs to take time before making decisions and for this, I don't want to put the hassle on myself so it's best to HODL.
Trading is not an option for people who want to achieve a good investment. Waiting for a price drop and buying and waiting for a price high then selling at some point is going to feel better as you make those quick little gains. But am going to say this there we be a time when an investment is supposed to kick the saddle and make some inclined decisions on his investment. Hodlnig is better any day, and it is comfortable for both new and old investors. The only knowledge required for hodling is to ensure that your Bitcoin is safe after you've known how to buy. On the other side, trading requires a deeper understanding which to some extent can be limited to a few persons who might end up successful in it. So why risk it all in trading instead of holding as an investor?

Buying and HODLing bitcoin is very stressless,
I understand the peace when we just buy and hold bitcoin for long term. But at the same time, we have seen what happen when there is a bear market and price dips. People begin to panic a start selling off, and also don't forget how life even can occur, when it throws a curve ball that may make someone tap into their investment. Honestly there is less stress and less room for mistake if only an investor can just maintain absolute discipline and tolerance. Which we know that many humans find it hard to have tolerance.
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July 19, 2024, 04:19:53 AM
so we shouldn't get distracted or confuse ourselves with things that is/are not suppose to
On this market, it is brutal to everybody. But you choose what's going to make you confused or not bothered at all. Many are very confused not just ourselves but also to the news that are coming out. With some movements of huge funds from A to B, they're already shaking and thinking that the market is going down.
You remind me so much of when I was focusing on trading because these were our line of thought that the market has no mercy for anyone. Well, if you chose to put yourself in the line of fire by trying to predict every move of the market as traders do, the market will indeed be brutal to you. It takes just the decision to change from trading into holding to come out of the torture that comes from such situation of being dealt with by the market on daily basis.
That is why every trader needs to take time before making decisions and for this, I don't want to put the hassle on myself so it's best to HODL.
why take time to gamble with your investment when you can just buy and HODL? Sometimes in a bit to play too smart we end up shooting ourselves on the foot when we can just do the simple things that's less stressful. Buying your Bitcoin and HODling is something you can do while you're still doing your regular jobs and it will have zero effect on your job so why stress yourself trying to time the market and taking your time not to make any mistake and eventually making the mistake and losing all your funds or part of it in the process while you could have just bought your Bitcoin and never get bothered about price sentiment?


I found my peace the day I transitioned from being a trader to a holder. It was really a big relief because I never experienced peace of mind then like I do now and the growth I have seen in my finances is massive and totally different from the stagnation and frustration I was facing trying to predict the market.
Nice.

You don't have to be worried about the market actions and will not be problematic anymore about FUD that are being scattered through the media.

That's obviously the sweet thing.
All you need is to know that I'm buying my Bitcoin at a set-out day of the week if you're doing a weekly DCA or at a set-out day of the month if it's a monthly DCA and ensure that your funds are always available for your routine accumulation and that settles it all. When those trading are sad during the DIP, you're happy because the market has presented an opportunity for you to even buy more at a lower cost which all plays out to your own advantage.
Buying and HODLing bitcoin is very stressless, compared to the stress  involved in trading. In my own perspective There's no need to gamble your resources in trading when you can just buy and accumulate bitcoin at your comfort using a DCA strategy which is stress free, in accumulating Bitcoin without the pressure of timing the market. Holding Bitcoin can be helpful and stress free for folks who engage in other jobs or working class individuals, it can help avoid the stress that comes with trading such as Analysing the market frequently, making fast decisions and potential loss of money. Doing other job or working and being a trader can be a very difficult task which can result in attention divided causing lack of balance between work and trading but HODLing bitcoin is stress free especially when DCAing, all you have to do is just setting aside funds weekly or Monthly consistently to buy bitcoin on a regular basis to grow your bitcoin holdings steadily without  monitoring the market. It's more safe and relaxed than trading.
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July 19, 2024, 12:57:06 AM
so we shouldn't get distracted or confuse ourselves with things that is/are not suppose to
On this market, it is brutal to everybody. But you choose what's going to make you confused or not bothered at all. Many are very confused not just ourselves but also to the news that are coming out. With some movements of huge funds from A to B, they're already shaking and thinking that the market is going down.
You remind me so much of when I was focusing on trading because these were our line of thought that the market has no mercy for anyone. Well, if you chose to put yourself in the line of fire by trying to predict every move of the market as traders do, the market will indeed be brutal to you. It takes just the decision to change from trading into holding to come out of the torture that comes from such situation of being dealt with by the market on daily basis.
That is why every trader needs to take time before making decisions and for this, I don't want to put the hassle on myself so it's best to HODL.
why take time to gamble with your investment when you can just buy and HODL? Sometimes in a bit to play too smart we end up shooting ourselves on the foot when we can just do the simple things that's less stressful. Buying your Bitcoin and HODling is something you can do while you're still doing your regular jobs and it will have zero effect on your job so why stress yourself trying to time the market and taking your time not to make any mistake and eventually making the mistake and losing all your funds or part of it in the process while you could have just bought your Bitcoin and never get bothered about price sentiment?


I found my peace the day I transitioned from being a trader to a holder. It was really a big relief because I never experienced peace of mind then like I do now and the growth I have seen in my finances is massive and totally different from the stagnation and frustration I was facing trying to predict the market.
Nice.

You don't have to be worried about the market actions and will not be problematic anymore about FUD that are being scattered through the media.

That's obviously the sweet thing.
All you need is to know that I'm buying my Bitcoin at a set-out day of the week if you're doing a weekly DCA or at a set-out day of the month if it's a monthly DCA and ensure that your funds are always available for your routine accumulation and that settles it all. When those trading are sad during the DIP, you're happy because the market has presented an opportunity for you to even buy more at a lower cost which all plays out to your own advantage.
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July 18, 2024, 09:06:55 PM
Exchange is the first place a new investor needs to store his bitcoin in the beginning because it is from exchange that he will buy his bitcoin from and because he is new in bitcoin and have the money to start buying immediately, he will leave his coins in an exchange and gradually when his bitcoin size is increasing due to regular DCA purchases, he can learn on which wallet that he can use to keep his bitcoin safe. You should also know that since he is a new investor and getting started immediately is the best no matter how little the amount is, he needs to pile up his bitcoin in an exchange so that it can get up to $500 and above before he can send it to his self custody wallet that is best for him.

If not for high transactions fees I see no reason why you should buy and accumulate Bitcoin in an exchange because it can become vulnerable to hacks, we should know that exchanges is not the best place to store our Bitcoin no matter how little it is because the security of our Bitcoin should be taken at utmost priority. I know that $500 may not appear too big for you but to some people it is especially when they think of the amount in Fiat they used to buy such quantity of Bitcoin so there is no amount that is too small to lose but as for me, so far as I have long term hodling targets, i will prefer to move my Bitcoins to self custodial wallets immediately after making the purchase. Exchanges are risky to keep one's bitcoin and leave till you have accumulated enough, don't forget that there were previous cases of exchanges crashing and a lot of people that had assets in those exchanges lost everything so we ought to give our assets maximum protection which is to seek for self custody wallets even though the asset may be very little, it's better to lose part of your assets as transaction fees than lose everything to exchange platforms.

Your idea of wtihdrawing your Bitcoin from an exchange to a self custody wallets is not bad but your reasoning ability looks a bit childish because how can you buy a small unit of Bitcoin and then you immediately withdraw it from an exchange to a self custody wallet? Isn't that stressful like making withdrawals all the time and considering the fact that someone who is using the DCA strategy will need to be buying Bitcoin at regular intervals which means if we are to buy your idea then Everytime we DCA we also withdraw it from the exchange it was bought from and transfer to a non custody wallets. Accumulating upto $500 to $1000 in an exchange isn't that too risky even though the amount may appear risky for you to leave in an exchange but it also depends on the amount you DCA that will tell how long it will take you to accumulate up to $1000 before moving it out of the exchange wallet to a non custody wallets.

Okay just consider the transaction fees it will take each time you try to withdraw a small unit of Bitcoin from your exchange to a non custody wallets, so it looks unprofessional even if a newbie may not understand this but it is still important for them to know because those amount that would be lost as transaction fees can still be retained if you consider accumulating a larger amount before withdrawing out from an exchange.
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July 18, 2024, 06:59:21 PM
Your forgot to mention 'patience' because it is also one of the criteria that will enable you to be able to withstand the tough times when you feel like giving up due to some unforseen events that might occur in the future. Yes, as a beginner you shouldn't wait to acquire all the necessary knowledge before you start investing in Bitcoin because you may not actually understand the dynamics of investment until you have invested then you can seek the complete knowledge gradually however, a beginner should not only depend on the information they hear or come across online or just follow people that feels they are experts as there is need to DYOR so that you can have a backup with the information gotten from other people or sources. It is also good to know that investments are risky, therefore acquaint yourself with the right knowledge that will guide you through your accumulating stages but that should come after you must have started making your investments in Bitcoin.

Patience is habit, trait an investor will learn by himself which cannot be acquired as Knowledge concerning Bitcoin investment.  I know it's in the nature of Man to fret,give up, panic when there expectations isn't met.. such investor hasn't accepted the risk involved and also still lacks Discipline and not necessarily Patience (note am not undervaluing patience.. but Acceptance of Risk is what makes the difference and not being patient when you know you made the wrong move in the Bitcoin Market).

I don't understand your last paragraph; You saying a Bitcoiner should acquaint himself with the right knowledge that will guide him during the accumulation stages but it should come after he must have started making investments in Bitcoin is it that he should invest without any information first..? Then he can acquire the knowledge as he invests.
What are you implying?


I believe a newbie can learn overtime about Bitcoin Ecosystem as he invests in Bitcoin also can still acquire the necessary knowledge even before investing, but he shouldn't expect to learn everything before investing because it's waste of time,the knowledge can always be acquired along the line, but it doesn't mean he should be totally ignorant before risking his Money.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say an investor should not have knowledge of investment while starting but what am implying is that a beginner don't need to get all the necessary knowledge before making investments but after he must have made his investments then he can still get the right knowledge and the right approach to follow up his investments so by that time he has already invested. When I say accumulating stages am still talking about the periods of his investments so don't get it twisted. Normally, any investor must have a literal knowledge and understanding about the investment they want to venture into but more knowledge will be required when investment has been made already.



Exactly, you can not know everything about a particular project or investment before you dive into it but rather it's required I mean it is necessary to know the basic part of  those things before..., Besides most people who called themselves old investors etc was once a novice and I believed they didn't know all concerning Bitcoin before they venture into it but it was along the line they started getting more insights I mean Knowing more about Bitcoin and so they have to restructure themselves and the path they were not getting right. Moreover learning doesn't end, it's a continuous process the further one go the more he or she learn.

Actually people don't need to learn more technical information about bitcoin since anytime even with zero or less knowledge they could able to start their accumulation journey. They will just somehow waste their time if they do more exaggerated research because they afraid to commit mistake.

They could learn all of it on process especially when they already have money invested on bitcoin since frequent researching is needed and by that they could able to learn all things they needed and they can locate those valid arguments that able to help them learn. Learning Bitcoin is never ending process so they make sure that aside from researching they should accumulate since your research made will became nothing if you decide not to accumulate because you think research is important first before doing that actions or decision.
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July 18, 2024, 06:07:09 PM
so we shouldn't get distracted or confuse ourselves with things that is/are not suppose to
On this market, it is brutal to everybody. But you choose what's going to make you confused or not bothered at all. Many are very confused not just ourselves but also to the news that are coming out. With some movements of huge funds from A to B, they're already shaking and thinking that the market is going down.
You remind me so much of when I was focusing on trading because these were our line of thought that the market has no mercy for anyone. Well, if you chose to put yourself in the line of fire by trying to predict every move of the market as traders do, the market will indeed be brutal to you. It takes just the decision to change from trading into holding to come out of the torture that comes from such situation of being dealt with by the market on daily basis.
That is why every trader needs to take time before making decisions and for this, I don't want to put the hassle on myself so it's best to HODL.

I found my peace the day I transitioned from being a trader to a holder. It was really a big relief because I never experienced peace of mind then like I do now and the growth I have seen in my finances is massive and totally different from the stagnation and frustration I was facing trying to predict the market.
Nice.

You don't have to be worried about the market actions and will not be problematic anymore about FUD that are being scattered through the media.

Therefore, the market is not brutal to me now, I have peace and I appreciate the market dynamics because I take advantage of everything the market gives. I buy the dip and HODL.
Well done.

Accumulate and HODL.  Wink
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July 18, 2024, 04:17:30 PM
If you are a new investor then surely this investment strategy will work for you. You just continue to invest in this strategy consistently and at some point you will realize for yourself how positive this strategy has been for you. When you look at your total investment after a long period of time, you will be amazed at how much you have invested even with small investments.
Not only new investors but also many experienced or old investors are now increasing their investments by adopting DCA regularly.

Dollar cost averaging is a progressive and balanced investment strategy. One of our goals in investing in this way is to lower the average cost and even aim for better returns over the long term. Those who have sufficient capacity may not invest in this method, but those who do not have sufficient capacity and even if they are willing to invest, if they invest using this method, it becomes easier for them to invest. Because by adopting this method you will be able to invest even in small scale. Buy Bitcoins with the same amount of money every week or month using DCA regardless of whether the price of Bitcoin goes up or down. I read in the pages of the book that small grains of sand form continents. Similarly, if you invest in the dollar cost averaging method, your small investment will eventually turn into a large one.
You're right here! Through DCA new and old investors can approach Bitcoin investment with a less risk and proper disciplined approach which will lead them to long-term financial success. However, their motivations and approaches might differ slightly. The process is still the same but the approach and aggressiveness for a beginner would be higher than that of an old investor. For someone new to Bitcoin, DCA at first would be like a practice to help them build a strong position and avoid emotions in their investment while an old investor already has gone through this phase so it would be like adding more weight, helping them strategically accumulate more Bitcoin whenever the market goes wild.
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July 18, 2024, 03:17:56 PM
Your forgot to mention 'patience' because it is also one of the criteria that will enable you to be able to withstand the tough times when you feel like giving up due to some unforseen events that might occur in the future. Yes, as a beginner you shouldn't wait to acquire all the necessary knowledge before you start investing in Bitcoin because you may not actually understand the dynamics of investment until you have invested then you can seek the complete knowledge gradually however, a beginner should not only depend on the information they hear or come across online or just follow people that feels they are experts as there is need to DYOR so that you can have a backup with the information gotten from other people or sources. It is also good to know that investments are risky, therefore acquaint yourself with the right knowledge that will guide you through your accumulating stages but that should come after you must have started making your investments in Bitcoin.

Patience is habit, trait an investor will learn by himself which cannot be acquired as Knowledge concerning Bitcoin investment.  I know it's in the nature of Man to fret,give up, panic when there expectations isn't met.. such investor hasn't accepted the risk involved and also still lacks Discipline and not necessarily Patience (note am not undervaluing patience.. but Acceptance of Risk is what makes the difference and not being patient when you know you made the wrong move in the Bitcoin Market).

I don't understand your last paragraph; You saying a Bitcoiner should acquaint himself with the right knowledge that will guide him during the accumulation stages but it should come after he must have started making investments in Bitcoin is it that he should invest without any information first..? Then he can acquire the knowledge as he invests.
What are you implying?


I believe a newbie can learn overtime about Bitcoin Ecosystem as he invests in Bitcoin also can still acquire the necessary knowledge even before investing, but he shouldn't expect to learn everything before investing because it's waste of time,the knowledge can always be acquired along the line, but it doesn't mean he should be totally ignorant before risking his Money.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say an investor should not have knowledge of investment while starting but what am implying is that a beginner don't need to get all the necessary knowledge before making investments but after he must have made his investments then he can still get the right knowledge and the right approach to follow up his investments so by that time he has already invested. When I say accumulating stages am still talking about the periods of his investments so don't get it twisted. Normally, any investor must have a literal knowledge and understanding about the investment they want to venture into but more knowledge will be required when investment has been made already.



Exactly, you can not know everything about a particular project or investment before you dive into it but rather it's required I mean it is necessary to know the basic part of  those things before..., Besides most people who called themselves old investors etc was once a novice and I believed they didn't know all concerning Bitcoin before they venture into it but it was along the line they started getting more insights I mean Knowing more about Bitcoin and so they have to restructure themselves and the path they were not getting right. Moreover learning doesn't end, it's a continuous process the further one go the more he or she learn.
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July 18, 2024, 02:34:49 PM

Well, your points are not actually bad but the most important knowledge that a new Bitcoin investor needs before applying security to his holdings is how to buy. If an investor knows how to buy he can also know how to secure his Bitcoin, at that moment he believes that it is his asset because he exchanged his fiat for Bitcoin through p2p, at this first point when he has purchased Bitcoin he doesn't care if he has make profits or not, the next step is for him to send the Bitcoin to the wallet he will use for holding. Which means after buying, the other important step is sending.
As a newbie to Bitcoin investment, you also need to calculate the figures of Bitcoin you have, so that while sending from the exchange you bought Bitcoin from to the wallet that you will use for holding you can be able to figure out the fees for your transactions so that you will know the figures of Bitcoin that you will receive.
Not quite
In Engineering there's a saying in my side that before learning how to switch ON a machine learn how to switch it Off first
There are people, I mean lots of people that can buy and sell Bitcoin but few of the majority can really secure their holdings
Like we normally say if it ain't your keys, it ain't your coins.
What am saying is even if you can buy and sell Bitcoin with no prior knowledge on how to secure it
Good wallets to use among other security measures
It's the same as placing your money in an empty pockets
The importance of security is quite underrated
Personally I feel a newbie should learn about a secure wallet and method to implement
Before learning how to buy or sell.
Wallet to secure store one's bitcoin investment shouldn't be something that one has to learn for a long time, it is just something that one can grab immediately after following the steps required in setting it up. Don't store your key where anyone can see it, is a straight forward English that can be understood by anyone, that's not what an investor should spend weeks learning. All wallets are well secured unless you are the person that expose your private key, phrase or connect it to a malicious website. But for the purpose of learning, if you know any non custodian wallets that are not secured you can list them here so that newbies and new investors can avoid them.
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July 18, 2024, 02:30:08 PM

The whole fact about it all, is that everything we do concerns or requires a certain level of knowledge, it could aswell be that little which is rightly appropriate for a beginner, now going further the rest of knowledge goes with one's ability to remain consistent in the market. I think most especially the new investors are likely to make the right choices for themselves on how they understand even slightly on how the market operates, it could be on how much they choose to invest, when and what strategies to be implemented without having to blindly follow whatever they feel could be it, whereas we know that little mistake that could be made and it turns out to become a huge loss.

The only level of knowledge that is required here as an investor to start your Bitcoin journey is storage, security, risk and tolerance which in general are the process of starting an investment. When you eventually buy a little then you will understand that the rue knowledge comes when you have already get your investment kicking. Along the line you will understand what i mean. The good news is that there is a ton of information's out here for Bitcoin beginners. A lot of learning resources, articles and even here in this very forum can equip you with several knowledge from different enthusiast so that you can choose to make informed decisions from their opinions.

You seem to be implying the necessity of more knowledge than would be necessary to get started, and sure there are all kinds of folks suggesting these various kinds of higher level knowledge ideas while at the same time suggesting that not very much knowledge is necessary... which from my point of view contradicts and even may contribute to a lot of newbies believing that they need more knowledge than what they actually need, in order to get started.

Getting started only requires knowing the extent to which you have a disposable income or not and having at least some confidence that bitcoin is a good place to put some extra money (in case it catches on).. so as far as storage and security, surely there may well need to be some basics, yet if any newbie might be starting out by buying $10 to $100 on an exchange, some of those initial storage and security responsibilities can be delegated to exchanges, and there is no actual need to hold your own coins from the start - even though surely if you are holding coins on some exchange or more than one exchange, you are buying bitcoin price exposure rather than actual bitcoin, since we know that there is no real assurance that you are going to be able to get the coins until you withdraw them from the exchange, yet it seems to me that learning about self-custody does not need to take place in the very beginning of investing into bitcoin,

and one of the most important things for any newbie is to get started right away and surely the more you can learn along the way the better, since there are quite a few things that are good to know about bitcoin and to study into it, but the various aspects of bitcoin can be learned after getting started and the most important thing to know when getting started (like I already repeated multiple times) is whether you have a disposable income or not.. and if you have disposable income, then you can get started right away and if you don't have disposable income (or you are not sure), then you should figure out your disposable income situation before getting started investing into bitcoin, otherwise you would not be investing, but instead you would be gambling.. and yeah, sure lots of people love to gamble, yet I personally don't recommend gambling with something like bitcoin, but hey people can do what they like, including dumb shit.. which is likely part of the explanation why we still ONLY have around less than 1% of the world's population with any kind of stake in bitcoin.. so getting started still seems to be one of the most important aspects, and surely it seems that newbies should try not to gamble in terms of their getting started in bitcoin.

Sure the upwards and downwards movements of the price of Bitcoin is what keeps the Market balanced so an investor who is a beginner should not only think about buying with the believe that the price will keep skyrocketing because a time will come when the price will also experience some DIP in price so if it is someone that bought with the mindset of the price to continuously increase, they can become emotional when the price starts going down and they can even decide to sell out of panic which will be a very wrong approach for a beginner. A beginner should be able to understand that the journey of their hodling is a very long one so they need not to look at the price of Bitcoin at any intervals as what they should be concerned about is to keep accumulating through the DCA without dropping out at any point so far as their income is coming on a regular basis.
DCAing every week is a very good and quick way to making huge accumulation but any Bitcoin investor should be able to figure out when to best DCA without being affected in other areas of life so they can still DCA on a monthly basis depending on their inflow and the intervals they received their income, so for someone who receives income on weekly basis he can choose to DCA every week then for someone that receives monthly salary, can also DCA every month so there's no big deal about when to DCA.
It has often been discussed that waiting for a DIP to happen before buying Bitcoin is not a good practice because you can wait for a DIP and it doesn't come at that material time which might result to using up the money you wanted to use and buy at a DIP price on other needs that will arise.
It does not matter at what point we enter the market and start to DCA. Bitcoin has been expensive to start investing at all prices to procrastinators. It was expensive at $1, $10, $100, $30k, and $60 and it is close to $100k and it could be worth more than that shortly. Yet they still can't afford it.

Hahahahaha

Ironic!!  right?

It is funny how bitcoin can be divided into 100 million sub-units, but still people seem to think that it is expensive, which truly helps to support that people do not really know what bitcoin is, and likely even experienced bitcoiner have little to no clue about what bitcoin is beyond it being NGU (number go up) technology.  There may or may not be any need to know bitcoin beyond that it is NGU technology, which somewhat supports the point of getting started first and then study bitcoin as you go and perhaps expect that you might never really completely understand bitcoin, and it may well not even be necessarily to really understand bitcoin, but instead just focus on attempting to understand what is within your own potential grasps, which is your own financial and psychological management skills.

It does not matter at what point we enter the market and start to DCA. Bitcoin has been expensive to start investing at all prices to procrastinators. It was expensive at $1, $10, $100, $30k, and $60 and it is close to $100k and it could be worth more than that shortly. Yet they still can't afford it.
People who still think Bitcoin is expensive usually also tend to be afraid to buy at any price, so people like that will continue to delay and postpone buying Bitcoin because they always put forward their own reasons when asked by other people. Because for those who like to buy or really have the desire to buy Bitcoin whenever they have money that is not used, that person will not really care about the price as long as it can make him happy after buying Bitcoin. I also still like to use DCA when I want to buy Bitcoin, but sometimes I don't set a time for how many times I can buy Bitcoin each month because I sometimes like to buy when I have money that I don't use for other things.

That is a fairly decent point, wmaurik.  Maybe you could be used as an example that even though you have been around the forum since early 2015, it still could be possible for longer term bitcoiners to still be in an accumulation phase of bitcoin, whether they might have made mistakes along the way or not, and surely there could be some folks who were somewhat "early" to bitcoin, but they might not have had any kind of disposable income that was sufficient in order to stack decent amounts of bitcoin in order to get them out of their accumulation phase and perhaps to get them into more of a maintenance stage in their bitcoin portfolio building journey.

Surely it is good to show members with a variety of experience levels in order that some members (including newbie BTC accumulators) can recognize and appreciate that it can take a decently long period of time to build their bitcoin portfolio up to a level in which they might graduate from some kind of strict BTC accumulation and then into some kinds of stages of BTC accumulation that might be a lot more flexible and less strict.

I frequently mention that I prefer weekly accumulation, especially for members in their earliest of BTC accumulation stages, yet many of us realize that there are some of us who may well have a lot of variability in our income and/or our expenses, and we may well end up structuring our bitcoin buys around such variability, so each of us likely have cashflow management systems that could cause us to invest into bitcoin in peculiar kinds of ways that might not be quite weekly and maybe we have to go as far spread out as monthly in terms of our determining that we have enough extra cashflow that we are able to invest into bitcoin for that particular month.. and maybe also sometimes our frequency (and consistency) in investing into bitcoin might also deal with when some of our income flows might come in (and we might not even know how much they are going to be exactly), and there could be some lack of knowledge of our exact expenses too, until certain bills come in, even if we might have systems in place in which we try to figure out our exact income and/or our expenses, but we still might well not want to pull the trigger on making certain bitcoin purchases until after the money comes to us or in terms of our actually receiving the bill (whether the bill is due right away or within a certain period of time that it must be paid).

The whole fact about it all, is that everything we do concerns or requires a certain level of knowledge, it could aswell be that little which is rightly appropriate for a beginner, now going further the rest of knowledge goes with one's ability to remain consistent in the market. I think most especially the new investors are likely to make the right choices for themselves on how they understand even slightly on how the market operates, it could be on how much they choose to invest, when and what strategies to be implemented without having to blindly follow whatever they feel could be it, whereas we know that little mistake that could be made and it turns out to become a huge loss.
The only level of knowledge that is required here as an investor to start your Bitcoin journey is storage, security, risk and tolerance which in general are the process of starting an investment. When you eventually buy a little then you will understand that the rue knowledge comes when you have already get your investment kicking. Along the line you will understand what i mean. The good news is that there is a ton of information's out here for Bitcoin beginners. A lot of learning resources, articles and even here in this very forum can equip you with several knowledge from different enthusiast so that you can choose to make informed decisions from their opinions.
You have forgotten to add the knowledge of how to buy from exchanges be it Dex or cex. This is also one of the basic knowledge that a new investor need to know because you will need to know how to deposit and convert your local currency into usdt in exchanges or how to buy from P2P in exchanges. Everything else you said above is valid, as I was reading through your post I just saw that you didn't cover this aspect. Buying bitcoin for the first time is a very delicate something and someone who is new really have to get the basic knowledge of how to navigate the exchanges to make his first buy. As it is not advisable to be buying through a third party, so a new investor should have the knowledge of how to use the exchanges.

I think that it is fair for you to highlight the basic needs of figuring out how coins are going to be sourced, and surely exchanges likely serve a fairly common source for beginner bitcoin investors, yet you should not be completely ruling out various possibilities that newbies might face in terms of options that might be available to them, including getting coins directly from someone they know or someone that they recently met... so yeah, surely getting coins directly from another person may well end up resulting in setting up wallets or even getting help with setting up wallets, yet there could be some folks that get started and get involved in bitcoin outside of going through exchanges, and by necessity they are put in a place to figure out the extent to which they might or might not trust the way that they are getting their first coins.  I would not rule out various ways of getting coins, even though surely exchanges may be amongst the easiest of ways, but it could well be the case that exchanges might not be the best or easiest for all folks, and there is nothing wrong with promoting the ideas of direct exchanges with other bitcoiners when it might be a reasonable way to get started, even though there might be some needs for trust, whether it is trusting a relative or trusting a person who was referred or maybe going to some kind of bitcoin (or crypto) meetup and then trusting some meeting attendee that you just met.  

I would not presume that people are not able to make judgements in regards to meeting people in person, even though there could be folks who are scammers or robbers, yet I doubt it is safe to presume that meeting actual people in the real world is going to result in our getting robbed or scammed since the fact of the matter remains that some of the real empowering of people comes through being able to associate with people in the real world rather than being dependent on internet relations, and surely bitcoin remains a kind of way that there are attempts to balance real world relations and digital forms of soundness and scarcity... So yeah there are powers in direct interactions, even if our first ways of getting and/or holding bitcoin may or may not end up involving such direct interactions.. We may end up using an exchange, but surely we do not have to use an exchange if person to person options are available to us.

If you are a new investor then surely this investment strategy will work for you. You just continue to invest in this strategy consistently and at some point you will realize for yourself how positive this strategy has been for you. When you look at your total investment after a long period of time, you will be amazed at how much you have invested even with small investments.
Not only new investors but also many experienced or old investors are now increasing their investments by adopting DCA regularly.

This part is correct.

Dollar cost averaging is a progressive and balanced investment strategy. One of our goals in investing in this way is to lower the average cost and even aim for better returns over the long term.

Two of your points are wrong.

DCA does not lower your average costs per BTC, and it does not even assure that you will get better returns over the long term.

DCA allows you to budget and to set your investment within your cashflow and your discretionary income, so that you may well be able to accumulate bitcoin more aggressively since you have a potentially systematized way  of fitting your BTC investment within your discretionary income.

Sometimes people who do not follow DCA they may be able to make better profits and/or even accumulate more bitcoin, yet their level of success may have to do with their attempts (or even their luck) in timing the market, yet DCA may well allow a bitcoin accumulator to be more consistent in buying at all times, so the DCA'er may well end up accumulating more bitcoin, but surely it is not guaranteed that the DCAer will accumulate more bitcoin, and maybe there is a bit of a presumption when following a DCA method that many (if not most of us and maybe all of us) cannot really predict BTC prices very well, so in that regard, we are just so much more likely to be better off by just ongoingly buying bitcoin rather than trying to figure out if the BTC price is going to go up or down.. so in that sense DCA should be less stressful, even if sometimes we may well end up buying BTC at higher costs. .but since we don't really know about BTC price direction, we are still likely better off by just buying regularly rather than sometimes potentially waiting to buy and then the BTC price ends up going up and we end up spending too much time waiting (and attempting to strategize, and maybe even being overly greedy over amounts that are likely not even going to make much of a difference) rather than just buying regularly, ongoingly, persistently and consistently.

Those who have sufficient capacity may not invest in this method, but those who do not have sufficient capacity and even if they are willing to invest, if they invest using this method, it becomes easier for them to invest. Because by adopting this method you will be able to invest even in small scale.

These folks with low income or low capacity, they are still drawing from their disposable income, so yeah, you are correct overall in regards to NOT having any kind of need for BIG money in order to invest into bitcoin, and DCA could allow the setting up of a system that invests relatively low amounts on a regular basis.. but there still may be some needs in strategizing the low amounts, depending on various potential fees that might come with setting amounts overly low and then potentially getting eaten up by transaction fees of one sort or another (whether it is present transaction fees or the potential for some future transaction fees that might end up resulting from potentially poor UTXO management).   It is not a no brainer in terms of any kind of system will work, and so sometimes the newbies buying lower amounts of bitcoin might still need to attempt to structure their bitcoin buys so that they do not end up overly paying transaction fees whether in the present or in the future based on the size of their UTXOs and how they might end up choosing to transact and/or store their coins.

Buy Bitcoins with the same amount of money every week or month using DCA regardless of whether the price of Bitcoin goes up or down. I read in the pages of the book that small grains of sand form continents. Similarly, if you invest in the dollar cost averaging method, your small investment will eventually turn into a large one.

Sure this is a fair point, as long as you have sufficiently and/or adequately accounted for fees and potential future fees.

In other words, assuming you want to invest $10k into bitcoin in the next six months and you have the money now, as long as you have chosen to use the DCA strategy, it means you have to invest gradually while keeping the other parts till the time for the next buy. This is a kind of waiting.

You have provided an example in which a person already has $10k, which truly is not the case for most folks, and they will tend to have an income, and maybe a person has $10k right now or maybe he has $7,500 right now and an income that would allow another $100 per week over the next 26 weeks (aka 6 months - aka $2,600), so he has a total of $10,100 over the next 6 months and he could invest up to $7,500 right now or he could divide that $7,500 into the three categories of DCA, lump sum and buying on dip, so if he chooses either DCA or buying the dip with some or all of that money, then those surely would be waiting strategies in comparison to a choice to put some or all of the $7,500 into bitcoin right away  - so yeah, he has the luxury of having the option, yet most people will end up needing to figure out how much they are able to invest into bitcoin as their cash and expenses come in, and surely they can attempt to anticipate that income and expenses so they will have a ballpark idea regarding how much of that ongoing income and expenses (as it comes in) they are going to be able to use towards bitcoin investing, so in that regard, if they are waiting for the income to come in then they are not really engaging in a waiting strategy - even though surely they could choose to front load their investment into bitcoin and to take out some kinds of loan based on their anticipated future cashflow to invest right now instead of waiting for the cash to come in.

Exchange is the first place a new investor needs to store his bitcoin in the beginning because it is from exchange that he will buy his bitcoin from and because he is new in bitcoin and have the money to start buying immediately, he will leave his coins in an exchange and gradually when his bitcoin size is increasing due to regular DCA purchases, he can learn on which wallet that he can use to keep his bitcoin safe. You should also know that since he is a new investor and getting started immediately is the best no matter how little the amount is, he needs to pile up his bitcoin in an exchange so that it can get up to $500 and above before he can send it to his self custody wallet that is best for him.
If not for high transactions fees I see no reason why you should buy and accumulate Bitcoin in an exchange because it can become vulnerable to hacks, we should know that exchanges is not the best place to store our Bitcoin no matter how little it is because the security of our Bitcoin should be taken at utmost priority. I know that $500 may not appear too big for you but to some people it is especially when they think of the amount in Fiat they used to buy such quantity of Bitcoin so there is no amount that is too small to lose but as for me, so far as I have long term hodling targets, i will prefer to move my Bitcoins to self custodial wallets immediately after making the purchase. Exchanges are risky to keep one's bitcoin and leave till you have accumulated enough, don't forget that there were previous cases of exchanges crashing and a lot of people that had assets in those exchanges lost everything so we ought to give our assets maximum protection which is to seek for self custody wallets even though the asset may be very little, it's better to lose part of your assets as transaction fees than lose everything to exchange platforms.

Hopefully, you and others engaged in the practice of withdrawing a bunch of small transaction sizes are not going to get fucked from future transaction fees because you have ended up engaging in a practice of creating a bunch of small UTXOs that could come to bite you in the ass if you have a bunch of them.  Consider a guy who might even buy $10 to $50 daily, and if he ends up accumulating $3k to $5k over a year, then maybe he has around 300 transactions with a bunch of small UTXOs - as compared to the guy who might withdraw after accumulating $300 to $500 in value (or maybe he considers some kind of satoshi size of 300k to 1 million), so maybe the guy with better attempts at UTXO management is going to end up with 10 to 20 transactions (UTXOs) as compared with the guy with around 300 UTXOs.

Each of us has to figure out these kinds of balances, and we need to be careful to NOT end up fucking ourselves because we overly focus on something that ends up not working out so great for our situation - and yeah, maybe fees are not going to go back up to some of their outrageously high levels, yet I would not count on low onchain fees, and so there are likely going to be some ways that each of us has to figure out how we are going to balance exchange (or third party custody) risk with the transactability of the UTXOs that we create or that we might end up receiving from others.
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July 18, 2024, 02:30:02 PM
waiting can actually be a strategy too and never a bad thing. For instance, someone using a combine DCA with buying the dip can continue buying through the DCA with the amount budgeted for that while setting aside the amount for buying the dip and wait for the dip to actually happen, knowing that it will surely happen because price does not continue in one direction forever.

Of course each and everyone has the strategy that works for them so actually I agree with you that waiting could also be regarded as a strategy because there are people or rather investors who uses different methods of accumulation such as DCA and also waiting for the price to dip so that they will take advantage of the opportunity, though for those that has a good source of income the strategy Will be very useful for them in other to enhance there accumulating process, one good thing about the strategy is that your accumulation will not be dependent to only buying at dip but instead you already have a budget that allows you to be doing your normal DCA while you wait for the decline in price of Bitcoin to buy.
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July 18, 2024, 02:08:06 PM

Well, your points are not actually bad but the most important knowledge that a new Bitcoin investor needs before applying security to his holdings is how to buy. If an investor knows how to buy he can also know how to secure his Bitcoin, at that moment he believes that it is his asset because he exchanged his fiat for Bitcoin through p2p, at this first point when he has purchased Bitcoin he doesn't care if he has make profits or not, the next step is for him to send the Bitcoin to the wallet he will use for holding. Which means after buying, the other important step is sending.
As a newbie to Bitcoin investment, you also need to calculate the figures of Bitcoin you have, so that while sending from the exchange you bought Bitcoin from to the wallet that you will use for holding you can be able to figure out the fees for your transactions so that you will know the figures of Bitcoin that you will receive.

Personally I feel a newbie should learn about a secure wallet and method to implement
You have said well but there is also something I want you to understand, as a newbie to Bitcoin investment, learning about a secured wallet when you have not yet buy any Bitcoin is not a good move,
 the
important thing is buy the Bitcoin first before any other thing, while waiting to know a good and reputable wallet to hold your Bitcoin you might have missed some good opportunities that won't come back again. Now let's say you wanted to buy $200 worth of Bitcoin, and you are still waiting because you are contemplating about a more secured wallet, you might miss the dip (if you are also the type that want to buy during dip period) and you might still end up not buying at all because you haven't seen any wallet that's suitable for you. Am only saying that you should buy first before making any other move that's why buying is the most important knowledge a new Bitcoin investor needs to know.
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Before learning how to * or sell.
You are still getting it wrong, as a new Bitcoin investor you don't need to sell yet because you haven't achieved anything (unless you are not investing for long term).
Long term investment is the goal and a new Bitcoin investor who has applied DCA method should not think of selling his/her Bitcoin anytime soon because holding BTC for long term is not about sell and buying again (only traders does that), you only need to buy, buy and buy until 5 or 10 years of investment. Dipping your hands into your investment won't profit you anything rather it will make you not achieve a good portfolio.
I kind of not agree with your perspective on newbies not learning about a secured wallet first before starting their investment, in fact, this should even be the very first thing to do because we are talking about where you are going to store your funds here and should be taking with priority, So to me, I believe it quite a very good move and even a wise thing to do for every beginner out there as this is one of the basic stuff we need know before kick-starting of any investment in the digital/crypto world.
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July 18, 2024, 01:57:31 PM
Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say an investor should not have knowledge of investment while starting but what am implying is that a beginner don't need to get all the necessary knowledge before making investments but after he must have made his investments then he can still get the right knowledge and the right approach to follow up his investments so by that time he has already invested. When I say accumulating stages am still talking about the periods of his investments so don't get it twisted. Normally, any investor must have a literal knowledge and understanding about the investment they want to venture into but more knowledge will be required when investment has been made already.

Of course they need to know the basics before they decide on their goal of investing in bitcoin. It's not just a matter of understanding that must be learned, but novice investors must also be able to strengthen themselves in several criteria, such as the mentality to be ready to face various obstacles in their investment journey. New investors certainly have a lot to learn, of course, in how they accumulate bitcoins and they also have to withdraw their bitcoins from the exchange because incidents like this have claimed many victims because they put their assets on the exchange.

Apart from that, I also agree with your opinion that novice investors will learn about Bitcoin simultaneously with the investment they make. There are many stages to becoming a true holder in long-term investments and I think it must be within them if they are targeting long-term investments.
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July 18, 2024, 01:29:59 PM
Your forgot to mention 'patience' because it is also one of the criteria that will enable you to be able to withstand the tough times when you feel like giving up due to some unforseen events that might occur in the future. Yes, as a beginner you shouldn't wait to acquire all the necessary knowledge before you start investing in Bitcoin because you may not actually understand the dynamics of investment until you have invested then you can seek the complete knowledge gradually however, a beginner should not only depend on the information they hear or come across online or just follow people that feels they are experts as there is need to DYOR so that you can have a backup with the information gotten from other people or sources. It is also good to know that investments are risky, therefore acquaint yourself with the right knowledge that will guide you through your accumulating stages but that should come after you must have started making your investments in Bitcoin.

Patience is habit, trait an investor will learn by himself which cannot be acquired as Knowledge concerning Bitcoin investment.  I know it's in the nature of Man to fret,give up, panic when there expectations isn't met.. such investor hasn't accepted the risk involved and also still lacks Discipline and not necessarily Patience (note am not undervaluing patience.. but Acceptance of Risk is what makes the difference and not being patient when you know you made the wrong move in the Bitcoin Market).

I don't understand your last paragraph; You saying a Bitcoiner should acquaint himself with the right knowledge that will guide him during the accumulation stages but it should come after he must have started making investments in Bitcoin is it that he should invest without any information first..? Then he can acquire the knowledge as he invests.
What are you implying?


I believe a newbie can learn overtime about Bitcoin Ecosystem as he invests in Bitcoin also can still acquire the necessary knowledge even before investing, but he shouldn't expect to learn everything before investing because it's waste of time,the knowledge can always be acquired along the line, but it doesn't mean he should be totally ignorant before risking his Money.

Don't misunderstand me, I didn't say an investor should not have knowledge of investment while starting but what am implying is that a beginner don't need to get all the necessary knowledge before making investments but after he must have made his investments then he can still get the right knowledge and the right approach to follow up his investments so by that time he has already invested. When I say accumulating stages am still talking about the periods of his investments so don't get it twisted. Normally, any investor must have a literal knowledge and understanding about the investment they want to venture into but more knowledge will be required when investment has been made already.
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