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November 08, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Bitcoin price predictions can't be ascertained by anyone either buying short-term or long-term.
Bitcoin price can be ascertained through market analysis though the predictions are not always accurate due to the nature of the market volatility, level of demand, and supply.

In buying the long and accumulating it, ginves you assurance of its price going up some day without knowing what the price and how long its going to be.
We can how long the market is going to go up through the use of the Bitcoin 4-year cycle which always replicates when the block is halved and through mining difficulty.


 
Bitcoin investors should know that when the price is increasing, it's getting more profitable ,as a Bitcoin investor, you should have a plan on when to sell your coin in time to come when is in its peak which value will be added to the coin.
There's nothing bad in making a profit but investors need to understand that Bitcoin is going to the verge where the biggest investment companies in the world now vouch for it through the Bitcoin spot ETF.
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November 08, 2023, 04:16:27 PM
Bitcoin price predictions can't be ascertained by anyone either buying short-term or long-term. In buying the long and accumulating it, ginves you assurance of its price going up some day without knowing what the price and how long its going to be. Bitcoin investors should know that when the price is increasing, it's getting more profitable ,as a Bitcoin investor, you should have a plan on when to sell your coin in time to come when is in its peak which value will be added to the coin.
 
 It is good for you to invest with affordable amount suitable for you without having any effect on your income before your salary, for you to grow in Bitcoin investment you must constantly be increasing in  buying the dip which makes you save for your future,it is better to dip at anytime you have finances on you no matter how small not waiting until you have a lot of money because any time is the right time to invest.
Everyone can predict that the price of Bitcoin will rise with their respective analysis, but of course there is no accurate prediction about the price of Bitcoin, because market conditions will depend on the increase in buyers who will make the price of Bitcoin rise. Well, in long-term investing we will go through many obstacles in terms of increases or decreases, but in this context we will not fix the price. But we must continue to buy regularly with the dca strategy, and take advantage of cheap price moments to accumulate more Bitcoin. Maybe in the main process of investing, of course they will not determine when they will go out of their planning, but to grow their enthusiasm for investing, of course they will continue to buy and buy.

Even when investing in the long term, sometimes we are hit by boredom because prices continue to decline, which can influence us to make fatal decisions and that is what we must avoid when planning long-term investment. Success only belongs to those who are patient and continue to accumulate and survive in all market conditions. I think you have to learn to invest properly if your target is for the long term. If you think about the exit target from your investment planning then your planning can fail miserably if you want to enjoy small profit when prices rise.
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November 08, 2023, 03:48:14 PM
The prerequisite for investing and holding it for long is to first build courage in your mind and develop the mentality to take maximum risk in the right place. When you have courage in your mind and inclination to take risks, you can invest and hold it for a long time.

Keep your investment for long term and set yourself a goal I tell you your investment will never let you down but will give you better than your expectations.
While you make a plan to hold and be able to get more bitcoins for yourself, many obstacles will come along the way to make sure that your target is missed. As you plan, make room for flexibility when necessary, so if your plans go sideways, or is being wrecked by challenges, you will only be bothered by change in plans, not a change in goals that you have set for your investment. Changing the plan happens, but changing the goal of investment should not happen except it is to set a higher goal.  
The financial foals should be parted into two, short-term and long-term goal then only it is possible to achieve them one by one but most of the retail investors including crypto community set their goals longer but they miss to see the obstacles in the near future such as sudden changes in the market which will make them to panic and make wrong choices which will go against what they planned initially.

Yeah, but we are not talking about crypto here.  Fuck crypto.  We are talking about bitcoin in this thread, and quite a few of the long term principles fit with bitcoin, but if you try to apply the same principles to some vague bullshit ideas and who the hell knows what you are even talking about if you use the term "crypto?"  

If you meant to say "bitcoin" then why didn't you in order that we can at least know what you are posting about?   Are you posting about bitcoin or something else?  You did not use the word bitcoin at any one point in your post.
There are people who still apply the principles of investing in bitcoins to every other cryptocurrency. It is a big mistake because due to the misunderstanding, so many people find themselves holding on to many useless cryptocurrency because they heard or read a certain advice to bitcoin investors to hold their coins as long as they can, so they think that it is applicable to cryptocurrency in general. These people are exerting energy to keep the wrong coin, and they will surely regret their actions when they learn their mistake.

I agree that we shouldn’t waste your time on anything other than Bitcoin. I believe that even if he showed himself poorly in the moment with the Ordinals, his price will fly into the sky in any case, even if it takes many years. Even then, it will be ranked as the number one rare cryptocurrency. Therefore, my faith in him is strong.
I believe that the line between a trader and a holder is very thin. Yes, it lies in the frequency of transactions in the market. But if I can buy once a month with a pending order at the lows, and once a month sell at the highs (rarely too) - am I a holder or a trader?

A trader has more exposure to the crypto currency market than a regular holder would because of the frequency of interacting with the Blockchain for transactions.
A holder knows nothing more than to HoDL and if they are disciplined enough, can and should HoDL for a couple of years without paying heed to market trends of whale signals or halving in the least

A holder would buy the dip or buy otherwise because they believe more in the outcome than in the currency market situation.

For any beginner, there is no better strategy than HODL, and every time he enters the analogs of the blockfolio application, he will be glad of the green percentages, meaning that the price of bitcoin has increased. But if you want to increase the number of bitcoins in your wallet like I do, then you will be happy with any market movement - because if the price falls, it means you will buy cheap bitcoin soon. And personally, I like this state of affairs much more. And now people who panic at the declining price of bitcoin seem a little ridiculous Smiley
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November 08, 2023, 01:40:37 PM
buy big during those period but buying or accumulating Bitcoin at a steady bases is far more easier than actually sitting and waiting for the dip to come before we make our move to buy.

Yes, you are right. I think I have also made the same statement here over and over again: it's better to keep accumulating consistently than take a pause and wait for a big dip to come. The price of Bitcoin is never 100% accurately predicted, and sometimes even after making some speculation, a reversal can be the case, and at that point in time, the investors who were waiting for a dip can end up with a higher price than they had speculated, which will cause them to buy less of Bitcoin than they would have been able to accumulate with the capital they had. Every investor should not just neglect the DCA strategy.
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November 08, 2023, 01:12:26 PM
 Bitcoin price predictions can't be ascertained by anyone either buying short-term or long-term. In buying the long and accumulating it, ginves you assurance of its price going up some day without knowing what the price and how long its going to be. Bitcoin investors should know that when the price is increasing, it's getting more profitable ,as a Bitcoin investor, you should have a plan on when to sell your coin in time to come when is in its peak which value will be added to the coin.
 
 It is good for you to invest with affordable amount suitable for you without having any effect on your income before your salary, for you to grow in Bitcoin investment you must constantly be increasing in  buying the dip which makes you save for your future,it is better to dip at anytime you have finances on you no matter how small not waiting until you have a lot of money because any time is the right time to invest.
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November 08, 2023, 12:26:46 PM
The ATH of Bitcoin is $69k and price is still below this price. Until price breaks this high, we are still at a good price to buy. At $35k, Bitcoin have offered 50% discount to anyone who buys now; this is simple mathematics.  Whenever there is any bull run, the first target will be the ATH, this will already put those buying now in 50% profits.

Your math on the way down is correct, but your math on the way up is not correct.  Let's look at it.

ATH $69k,

Current price $34,500 - 50% drop in value from ATH - however, ATH = 100% increase in value.

That is ONE of the interesting things about math including the non-use of leverage, the most that we could lose is 100%, but there are a variety of scenarios in which we could end up making more than 100%, which has already happened multiple times in BTC's history and likely to continue to repeat itself.

Anyone who bought BTC below $17,250 made at least 100% when BTC prices went above $34,500, even if they may well chose not to cash out much if any of their BTC, then they end up having options, but they also start to experience more and more the power of exponential growth (and the power of compounding).. because the next doubling, if it ends up taking place to $69k, would end up causing the one who bought below $17,250 to have at least 3x in profits and 4x the original amount. 

Those who were buying in 2015 may well have fairly easily gotten bitcoin for around $250, and so now every time the BTC price goes up $250, their BTC holdings goes up by the amount of their initial investment - and surely if the BTC price keeps going up (no reason to really believe that it won't especially if we might be looking 4-10 years or more down the road), then $250 changes in the BTC price are likely going to be like pennies are today. 

I remember in 2015, I would set my sell orders in $5 or $10 increments, and then I would have a spread of $20 or something like that, so I would buy if the BTC price dropped $10 below my sell amount, and my friend was laughing at me because after fees, I was making like $0.16 or maybe $0.48 of free BTC on each cycle of an order, and so I said that I was just practicing to make sure that my system worked, but if you think about the BTC price currently being around 140x ($35k / $250), so the amounts go up proportionately, and sure maybe even practice might have gone into real play and included some more increases, but it still could end up in free BTC, if they are set up in a way that are somewhat neutral to BTC price moves of buying on the way down and selling on the way up, but selling in such a way that you never deplete your BTC holdings...

and likely these kinds of techniques should ONLY be applied after a person has reached his/her BTC accumulation target and perhaps exceeded the target amount, so there is freedom that comes from being in profits (even 10x or 100x or more) and being overly-accumulated in light of the target.. but then what is the target?, how many BTC is enough?  It could take 15-20 years or longer of investing to get to that level, and surely some folks are coming into bitcoin after already having had built up their investment portfolio in areas outside of BTC, so they may well end up being closer to reaching their BTC target accumulation level as compared with someone who might have just gotten into bitcoin and even someone who had ONLY been in bitcoin less than a whole cycle (which so far has been considered 4 years for each full cycle).

The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.
Perhaps what is even the need of always waiting for the dip before accumulating when you that even if the price of Bitcoin dips we cannot even accumulate a reasonable amount of Bitcoin due to how small our investment portfolio is so I see know reason why price dip should be a determinant of how we can accumulate.

Actually I'm not disputing the fact that buying the dip doesn't have an advantage but what I'm saying is that irrespective of what the Bitcoin price maybe be now  shouldn't be a barrier to your plans of accumulating Bitcoin because just like we saw the price movement consistently on the uptrend this period there is every possibility of the price surpassing the all time high after the halving, however that's when you will realized that you had missed a great opportunity by not accumulating now.
Just as there is no point in getting intelligence after a burglar escapes from home, investing now without holding it deeply is really pointless in regretting it when the price of Bitcoin hits record highs in the future. It is better to take time and use every opportunity. Every opportunity that comes in life should be utilized. Never miss an opportunity, I think those who miss an opportunity are far behind in achieving success in life. Investing and holding deeply has substantial benefits. Perhaps the non-retainer did not fully retain his investment. I would tell him to hold his own investment deeply before making such comments.

To the person who says that holding on to a deep investment is not good, I would say that you invest first and plan to hold that investment for a long time. If you can meet your target, you will later say that the benefits of investing in deep holdings cannot be found anywhere else.

The deeper an investor holds his investment, the more likely he is to make a profit from that investment at the end of a certain period of time. Investing must be for the future, investing must invest in our deep plans

It seems that I had given some seemingly pretty realistic examples of the benefits of ongoing and persistent buying that likely beats out the waiting around kinds of strategies, even if the average cost per BTC might end up being higher for the one who is persistently and consistently buying, but s/he may end up with many more BTC, and sometimes even multiples more BTC than the one who was fuckign around with waiting around and not acting.
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November 08, 2023, 12:01:57 PM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.
Perhaps what is even the need of always waiting for the dip before accumulating when you that even if the price of Bitcoin dips we cannot even accumulate a reasonable amount of Bitcoin due to how small our investment portfolio is so I see know reason why price dip should be a determinant of how we can accumulate.

Actually I'm not disputing the fact that buying the dip doesn't have an advantage but what I'm saying is that irrespective of what the Bitcoin price maybe be now  shouldn't be a barrier to your plans of accumulating Bitcoin because just like we saw the price movement consistently on the uptrend this period there is every possibility of the price surpassing the all time high after the halving, however that's when you will realized that you had missed a great opportunity by not accumulating now.


Just as there is no point in getting intelligence after a burglar escapes from home, investing now without holding it deeply is really pointless in regretting it when the price of Bitcoin hits record highs in the future. It is better to take time and use every opportunity. Every opportunity that comes in life should be utilized. Never miss an opportunity, I think those who miss an opportunity are far behind in achieving success in life. Investing and holding deeply has substantial benefits. Perhaps the non-retainer did not fully retain his investment. I would tell him to hold his own investment deeply before making such comments.

To the person who says that holding on to a deep investment is not good, I would say that you invest first and plan to hold that investment for a long time. If you can meet your target, you will later say that the benefits of investing in deep holdings cannot be found anywhere else.

The deeper an investor holds his investment, the more likely he is to make a profit from that investment at the end of a certain period of time. Investing must be for the future, investing must invest in our deep plans
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November 08, 2023, 11:49:07 AM
Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin
Although I can't vouch for myself as a Bitcoin specialist but I am pretty sure I have learnt a couple of things here on reading the teachings of JayJuanGee and other members here through their conversation and I believe we don't actually have to make it compulsory for us to actually buy the dip in other for us to start an investment and please correct me if not wrong. Bitcoin I believe is an asset that has full potential to grow although it's has some downtrend that is useful if we get to buy then but I think we can also be successful Bitcoin holder if we careful start a good plan and execute it and by good plan I mean using the DCA strategy which requires strategic plan of buying specific or in some case any amount we can afford on a continual basis until our supposed target is reached although some tend to hold for much longer till another ATH is achieve.

And I believe also that you can be very successful in buying the dip but that really doesn't cut it and the real issue is whether if you can hodl it because I tend to perceive that buying of Bitcoin is another and holding of it is also that's why this thread is also here I think, to discuss on various way in which we all can be successful Bitcoin holders through buying the DIP and HODLing.

Of course, some of the ideas behind buying the dip and HODL can vary, including figuring out how to interpret such concepts under your own system, and it might not exactly matter what OP might have thought about the significance, even if he did have his own interpretation of it, which surely is a reasonable one.

If some of the initial thoughts of the thread is that the BTC price is going up, but there might be some dips along the way that would be better to buy rather than buying on the way up, but then the idea of HODL could signify that if any of us might be early in our BTC accumulation phases, then it is better to HODL rather than to sell and to expect to be able to buy back at lower prices, but also HODL could be a concept that if you run out of money from buying on dips and the BTC price keeps dipping, then it may well be better to HODL rather than to sell and expect to buy back even lower. but still the concept of HODL on the way down could also be supplemented by some kind of a DCA in the way that cashflow might continue to come in, but there might be questions regarding if the BTC price is going to dip any further, so someone who might have run out of money might decide to DCA with cashflow that is coming in.

These various kinds of BTC accumulation practices can become controversial because guys are going to come to this whole situation from their own framework of what they might believe will work better, which may or may not end up playing out well... and there are tradeoffs to various strategies, even if we might be able to figure out some common goals, guys might still choose to approach their BTC accumulation differently. 

Regarding target accumulation levels, those could change the ways and the extent to which guys would choose to accumulate, and some times guys might mostly transition out of accumulation.. absent some extraordinary circumstances... or even if someone believes that s/he has reached his/her BTC accumulation target, there could be some changes in personal circumstances or even some changes in the market that might contribute towards needs to reconsider whether and/or how to accumulate more BTC.

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Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin
Until bitcoin crosses it's ATH we are still in dip. Most people don't understand that one thing that makes bitcoin investment interesting is the dip. We are not supposed to see the dip in bitcoin as a bad or a crash as most people who are newbie thinks, but rather we should see every dip as an opportunity to increase our bag. There is a popular saying that if you don't buy the dip you won't sell the top. Whenever I see bitcoin dipping am always happy because I know that after the bear comes the bull. I always feel pain when I don't have more money to invest during the dip, but I make sure I add something to my bag whenever bitcoin dip below the price I bought last.

I am not really opposed to anything that you are saying Justbillywitt, yet that expression: "if you don't buy the dip you won't sell the top" sounds like both a traders statement and implying some kind of abilities to figure out what are tops and bottoms... sure no problem with buy on the way down and sell on the way up, but there ar problems with any strategies that try to figure out tops and bottoms, even though sometimes getting some sense of tops and bottoms can help us to figure out likely current BTC price direction... which even that is much easier said than done.. and easier to accomplish by looking back at what happened rather than figuring out where we might be going from here, especially in the short-term.
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November 08, 2023, 11:33:22 AM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.
Perhaps what is even the need of always waiting for the dip before accumulating when you that even if the price of Bitcoin dips we cannot even accumulate a reasonable amount of Bitcoin due to how small our investment portfolio is so I see know reason why price dip should be a determinant of how we can accumulate.

Actually I'm not disputing the fact that buying the dip doesn't have an advantage but what I'm saying is that irrespective of what the Bitcoin price maybe be now  shouldn't be a barrier to your plans of accumulating Bitcoin because just like we saw the price movement consistently on the uptrend this period there is every possibility of the price surpassing the all time high after the halving, however that's when you will realized that you had missed a great opportunity by not accumulating now.


Yeah I agree with you on this taught because some of the folks here seems to make it look as If there is no other way to HODL or have an investment. Like you said  strategic planning or set up of a specific amount from your earning can do the accumulating trick despite the fact that we don't lose track of what we are buying and keep to our plans of buying, we would be surprised to what we can achieve and what your portfolio will read during a long term investment but still note that the during major dips during this time of accumulating can be used as an upper hand to buy more thats if we can afford it to buy big during those period but buying or accumulating Bitcoin at a steady bases is far more easier than actually sitting and waiting for the dip to come before we make our move to buy.
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November 08, 2023, 11:16:10 AM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.
Perhaps what is even the need of always waiting for the dip before accumulating when you that even if the price of Bitcoin dips we cannot even accumulate a reasonable amount of Bitcoin due to how small our investment portfolio is so I see know reason why price dip should be a determinant of how we can accumulate.

Actually I'm not disputing the fact that buying the dip doesn't have an advantage but what I'm saying is that irrespective of what the Bitcoin price maybe be now  shouldn't be a barrier to your plans of accumulating Bitcoin because just like we saw the price movement consistently on the uptrend this period there is every possibility of the price surpassing the all time high after the halving, however that's when you will realized that you had missed a great opportunity by not accumulating now.

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November 08, 2023, 11:12:14 AM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.

And they will regret it when the price changes to $40k-$50k. They became increasingly desperate when they saw the price go to $60k-$70k because they didn't buy bitcoin.
The ATH of Bitcoin is $69k and price is still below this price. Until price breaks this high, we are still at a good price to buy. At $35k, Bitcoin have offered 50% discount to anyone who buys now; this is simple mathematics.  Whenever there is any bull run, the first target will be the ATH, this will already put those buying now in 50% profits.

Those of us that embraced the DCA method early are already in overall profits even though that is not the immediate target.  Holding for long term is the ultimate goal and so far, the DCA method has help me inculcate the culture of thinking buy rather than sell.
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November 08, 2023, 11:11:01 AM
To you the current market situation seems like a normal situation to invest but honestly to me every situation in Bitcoin seems good enough to invest. But we can't predict from which stage the Bitcoin market will go. Just as Bitcoin can move from lows to lows, Bitcoin prices can go from highs to highs. We cannot say anything about the Bitcoin market in advance but by researching the market and observing the market regularly, one can predict the market movement to some extent.  
Investing in Bitcoin and holding it deep is a very challenging thing for every investor but those who accept this challenge and hold their investment deep achieve success.  


it's funny that some persons will wait for moments when they see bitcoin price going up before the thought to invest in bitcoin comes to there mind and like you rightly pointed out, bitcoin price can go up and then up, up and then down, down and then down and so on. so you can't just predict that because it is going up now , this is absolutely the time to invest into bitcoin and when you see the price going down you retreat from your plan on making the investment. It means that if you even successfully make the investment, you can't hodl your bitcoin because in the event of any fluctuation in price, you will let go of your investment.
Like JayJuanGee have already pointed out times without number, an investor can actually buy the dip and hold their coins and continue watching the market for such opportunity to actually add up to their portfolio because their is always certainty that the market is still going to go down Abit in course to achieve a new height. But also their always another strategy for those of us that are not too strong when it comes to financial means which is the DCA STRATEGY, I mean you can just set a specific amount out of your earning that won't affect you and use that portion to buy Bitcoin regardless if the dips or pumps just continue buying with a certain target or actually buying and HODLing till when convenient enough for you to sell but I would selling portion during a new ATH is achieve. The beauty about this particular strategy is that constant watching of market isn't all that necessary and you always have the dip as advantage thats if you can adjust the rate of your buying during that period and buy more coins because from what I understand the dip always comes with bigger number of Bitcoin if bought.

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Real investors sees the prospect of bitcoin and invest a certain amount and leave it for quality amount of time while he monitor the price without getting seriously moved by any fluctuations in price that comes along the way.
What are the qualifications of a real investor? I guess I would say those that has the ability to buy and actually HODL their coins regardless of all the FOMO that others are experiencing.  As an Bitcoin investor the fear of missing out shouldn't be of any effect to you cause, you would have understood the process that the dips are actually an opportunity not to miss selling but a previllegde to  buy more.
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November 08, 2023, 11:06:41 AM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.

And they will regret it when the price changes to $40k-$50k. They became increasingly desperate when they saw the price go to $60k-$70k because they didn't buy bitcoin.
There are many investors who sit to watch the market at $100,000 but are afraid to invest at $35,000. Before investing, if we think that we will invest if the price goes down, they should have the idea that we are waiting for the price of bitcoin to come down. Those who wait to invest when Bitcoin goes from $35,000 to $45,000 or $50,000 will regret it as much as they did when Bitcoin went from $20,000 to $35,000.

Instead of always waiting for opportunities, sometimes you have to create opportunities. The market can move in any direction at any time and if we can't invest then how can we hold that investment for a long period of time.  

I have invested yes I know the initial stage of investing is a bit difficult but even though it is difficult an investor has to go through that stage. If the investor takes so much time to get past the initial stage, when will he hold the investment and reap the benefits of that investment.  
To get started in all investment comes with challengers, but when you are determined to face the challenged that is where your success has started from but when you get scared because of the challenges that the investment has, you will never get started and that becomes a wrong decision because everyone needs an investment to survive on the future. Bitcoin investment is better to get started than sutting down and watching the price of bitcoin
and looking for the right time that you feel is the right time to invest. You will be there watching how other people are getting rich but you are sitting on your poor state waiting for the right time when the right time is now. Butcoin price shouldn't be what should hinfer anyone from investing in bitcoin because no matter the price of bitcoin currently, you can still invest and hodli for long with your regilat DCA to increase your bitcoin, because no matter the price of bitcoin after 4yrs and above, it must still be higher high than what you bought now, since bitcoin price increases with timeline.

this is absolutely the time to invest into bitcoin and when you see the price going down you retreat from your plan on making the investment. It means that if you even successfully make the investment, you can't hodl your bitcoin because in the event of any fluctuation in price, you will let go of your investment.
If bitcoin price is dipping, you don't retreat from buying and that is why it is advisable to always use DCA to continue buying to increase your bitcoin portfolio because you are buying irrespective of the price of bitcoin. The goal is to reach your bitcoin target and when you just hodli without buying, your bitcoin portfolio remains stagnant and don't forget that your profit after a long tern investment depends on your investment size and the timeline. Don't allow little fluctuation make you to panic and make wrong decisions that you will end up regretting. Long term investment is what you should stay focus on and not the little price fluctuations, so that you don't distract yourself from your bitcoin target goal.

I always feel pain when I don't have more money to invest during the dip, but I make sure I add something to my bag whenever bitcoin dip below the price I bought last.
You can start saving from now for the dip, maybe if you can cut down your expenses and keep the money or when you have bonis from your work, you can also save that to prepare yourself for the dip because the dips comes like a thief in the night but when you are prepared, you will take advantage of the opportunity, so that you don't feel any pain that you were not prepared when the next dip comes.
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November 08, 2023, 09:52:04 AM
To you the current market situation seems like a normal situation to invest but honestly to me every situation in Bitcoin seems good enough to invest. But we can't predict from which stage the Bitcoin market will go. Just as Bitcoin can move from lows to lows, Bitcoin prices can go from highs to highs. We cannot say anything about the Bitcoin market in advance but by researching the market and observing the market regularly, one can predict the market movement to some extent.  
Investing in Bitcoin and holding it deep is a very challenging thing for every investor but those who accept this challenge and hold their investment deep achieve success.  


it's funny that some persons will wait for moments when they see bitcoin price going up before the thought to invest in bitcoin comes to there mind and like you rightly pointed out, bitcoin price can go up and then up, up and then down, down and then down and so on. so you can't just predict that because it is going up now , this is absolutely the time to invest into bitcoin and when you see the price going down you retreat from your plan on making the investment. It means that if you even successfully make the investment, you can't hodl your bitcoin because in the event of any fluctuation in price, you will let go of your investment.

Real investors sees the prospect of bitcoin and invest a certain amount and leave it for quality amount of time while he monitor the price without getting seriously moved by any fluctuations in price that comes along the way.
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Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin
Until bitcoin crosses it's ATH we are still in dip. Most people don't understand that one thing that makes bitcoin investment interesting is the dip. We are not supposed to see the dip in bitcoin as a bad or a crash as most people who are newbie thinks, but rather we should see every dip as an opportunity to increase our bag. There is a popular saying that if you don't buy the dip you won't sell the top. Whenever I see bitcoin dipping am always happy because I know that after the bear comes the bull. I always feel pain when I don't have more money to invest during the dip, but I make sure I add something to my bag whenever bitcoin dip below the price I bought last.
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November 08, 2023, 08:52:53 AM
Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin

Are you buying in dip to make profit in a short time or buying dip to accumulate more. Well it's up to you. But I think dip is an advantage for you to aquare more. no time is too late because you might think #35k is too high to be called dip probably tomorrow you regret why not buy at $35k as dip compeard to when the price might have been maybe #40 to $50 or so.
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.

And they will regret it when the price changes to $40k-$50k. They became increasingly desperate when they saw the price go to $60k-$70k because they didn't buy bitcoin.

Especially those who invest in Bitcoin invest in Bitcoin by weekly or monthly amounts. They never expect to buy bitcoins because the price of bitcoins will increase. An ideal investor invests for the long term because they start investing with the future in mind. One should never invest in bitcoins for small profits, as the chances of facing losses are very high. But if you invest by following DCA method for long term, the risk is definitely much less. Hence DCA method is an ideal method.
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November 08, 2023, 08:46:18 AM
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.

And they will regret it when the price changes to $40k-$50k. They became increasingly desperate when they saw the price go to $60k-$70k because they didn't buy bitcoin.
There are many investors who sit to watch the market at $100,000 but are afraid to invest at $35,000. Before investing, if we think that we will invest if the price goes down, they should have the idea that we are waiting for the price of bitcoin to come down. Those who wait to invest when Bitcoin goes from $35,000 to $45,000 or $50,000 will regret it as much as they did when Bitcoin went from $20,000 to $35,000.

Instead of always waiting for opportunities, sometimes you have to create opportunities. The market can move in any direction at any time and if we can't invest then how can we hold that investment for a long period of time. 

I have invested yes I know the initial stage of investing is a bit difficult but even though it is difficult an investor has to go through that stage. If the investor takes so much time to get past the initial stage, when will he hold the investment and reap the benefits of that investment. 

Investing in Bitcoin was a good opportunity when it was at $20,000. Now the price of Bitcoin is at $35,000.
I think it is also a good opportunity to invest. Those who are planning to hold bitcoin deeply should definitely invest in bitcoin because you won't regret it if the price of bitcoin rises again. Take the risk of investing when Bitcoin is worth $35000 and hold it deep, you'll be proud of yourself at some point, no regrets.
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November 08, 2023, 01:24:25 AM
Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin
Although I can't vouch for myself as a Bitcoin specialist but I am pretty sure I have learnt a couple of things here on reading the teachings of JayJuanGee and other members here through their conversation and I believe we don't actually have to make it compulsory for us to actually buy the dip in other for us to start an investment and please correct me if not wrong. Bitcoin I believe is an asset that has full potential to grow although it's has some downtrend that is useful if we get to buy then but I think we can also be successful Bitcoin holder if we careful start a good plan and execute it and by good plan I mean using the DCA strategy which requires strategic plan of buying specific or in some case any amount we can afford on a continual basis until our supposed target is reached although some tend to hold for much longer till another ATH is achieve.

And I believe also that you can be very successful in buying the dip but that really doesn't cut it and the real issue is whether if you can hodl it because I tend to perceive that buying of Bitcoin is another and holding of it is also that's why this thread is also here I think, to discuss on various way in which we all can be successful Bitcoin holders through buying the DIP and HODLing.
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November 08, 2023, 12:47:30 AM
Bitcoin price is moving up gradually and if you know that you are interested for investing in bitcoin I believe this is the normal time we can invest in the bitcoin, so their no time we invest that is waste of time but the problem is to know when is dip so that you will make a profit in cryptocurrency investment, things I know of bitcoin is that we are not supposed to be believing in the speculation of bitcoin because speculation is one of the things that makes people to invest when they are not supposed to invest in bitcoin

Are you buying in dip to make profit in a short time or buying dip to accumulate more. Well it's up to you. But I think dip is an advantage for you to aquare more. no time is too late because you might think #35k is too high to be called dip probably tomorrow you regret why not buy at $35k as dip compeard to when the price might have been maybe #40 to $50 or so.
The price of $35k is not too high compared to the possibility that bitcoin could reach above $100k. There is still plenty of time to buy when the price drops but it depends on one's plan. Dip has provided the advantage of buying at low prices but there are still many people who don't want to use it. However, if they are willing to buy with their budget, they can accumulate more bitcoins.

And they will regret it when the price changes to $40k-$50k. They became increasingly desperate when they saw the price go to $60k-$70k because they didn't buy bitcoin.
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November 08, 2023, 12:16:34 AM
It is good to have thought through your strategy and make sure that it fits for your situation, and surely here we are not getting so much into trading strategies, but sometimes it is important to figure out a kind of psychological balance that works, and since you say that you are striving to accumulate BTC, then you may well be continuing to add funds to your accounts as well?   It is more difficult to build your account merely by trading back and forth between BTC and USDT... so I don't really mind the idea of it, and even something like 70/30 BTC/USDT might seem more practical to me, but surely a variety of your individual factors are going to matter.. including how long that you have been stacking sats...

so if you have been stacking sats for a long time (gosh even if we go by your forum registration of more than 7 years ago), then it would make less sense to have your funds so skewed in favor of USDT, and I remember some times in the past (in around late 2017) that my funds had gotten into the ballpark of 90% BTC and 10% cash, and I was feeling like I had way too much cash, but that was when the BTC price was going up, so I was shaving off some BTC along the way up, so I could see that there might be times that a person will shave off BTC on the way up, and then get towards higher levels of cash as contrasted with BTC, but I still have some troubles understanding the justification to try to maintain 50% cash (or USDT),

so I suppose just on the face of it, it seems to be me that you might not be very strongly convicted in terms of believing in the power of BTC... because we know that the dollar (and thus also USDT) is in a situation in which it is inevitably losing a lot of purchasing power on a regular basis.. sure they try to say that it is in the single digits, but it also depends on what you are trying to buy, so it seems to me that in the coming years bitcoin is poised to do quite a bit better than the dollar and the rate that the dollar is losing purchasing power.. but surely at the same time, there can be a lot of up and down along the way to see how it plays out and also various periods of time in which bitcoin may end up doing surprise exponential UPward price moves that never end up really recovering (or dipping back down), and then you could end up regretting that you had chosen such a seemingly relatively whimpy bitcoin allocation.
I did not have the opportunity to engage in such accumulation of BTC, since due to personal reasons I had a break of several years (about 4), and I returned to the forum and to active accumulation less than a year ago. I agree with you that 50 percent may be too high a share for such an ethereal token that is added to the owners' accounts with the snap of a finger. 40 and even 30 are quite fair.

We might not be communicating very well, and largely you understand that I am suggesting 70 BTC and 30 USDT .. and i am kind of forgetting about USDT being a shitcoin, since it has around 9 years of existence and pretty reliable pegging to the dollar and even quite a few attacks over the years, so it can be considered similar to the dollar even though yeah there are some potential ongoing issues in regards to its ongoing attacks, but I don't see them rug pulling you or even losing their peg to the dollar absent some pretty major event.. so in that sense, I was not really referring to any concern that might exist regarding USDT's dollar peg.

I was largely referring to your suggestion of an investment portfolio that is investing in bitcoin and keeping such a low allocation - even though surely you can balance those kinds of risks however you see fit.

Since I got into bitcoin in late 2013, I personally, had considered my bitcoin investment in terms of something to add to my various other investments, so I already had an investment portfolio that was decenty diversified into a variety of assets - even though I kind of figured that anywhere I had my money, i had too much dollar exposure, so I initially was looking to invest into something like gold, and so when I first read about bitcoin, I considered bitcoin as a kind of potentially better than gold substitute investment, so in my first year investing into bitcoin, I gave my self an allowance, and by the end of the 1st year, I figured that I had gotten my bitcoin investment up to right around 10%, which I thought was a pretty good place to be, yet since 2015 was such a down year for bitcoin, I continued to buy bitcoin, which ended up getting me to right around 13.5% by the end of 2015, and so the price appreciation of bitcoin between 2016 and now largely puts my bitcoin at around 75% of my other investments, but within my bitcoin allocation, I have some bitcoin versus cash that is authorized to buy bitcoin, which generally floats between 1% and 5%, even though in late 2017, it had gotten up to 10%, so unless I am not really understanding you correctly, I am just thinking that you're claim of 50% bitcoin and 50% USDT is way too high dollar exposure.. so let's just take USDT as if it were very similar to the dollar.. and maybe the most I would think would be 70/30, even though mine had gotten up to 90/10 at one point, but usually I am way lower than 10%.. and currently in what I consider to be my "crypto holdings," I am around 97% Bitcoin, 2.5% cash and 0.5% shitcoins... but all of that crypto together is around 75% of my overall investment portfolio with my other allocations in mostly stocks, bonds and real estate.

Regarding your 4-year break in BTC accumulation, sorry for your loss (and sometimes we might not be in a position to accumulate, perhaps financially, psychologically or maybe even other reasons of conviction about BTC) because we likely realize with something like BTC "time in the market" is better than "timing the market," yet if you had accumulated a decently-sized BTC stash prior to taking your 4-year break then you would likely have had been in a very good place, but I take it from the rest of your description of the situation, you had not front-loaded your BTC investment...which may well mean that you still consider yourself to be in a kind of current BTC accumulation stage...   that's my reading of what you are saying, anyhow, and yeah, the last year and a half have probably been decent times for accumulating BTC, but yeah of course, prior to late 2020 would have even have had been better... but any of us can ONLY do what we are able to do and we have to live with our choices and/or whatever might have had been our inabilities to accumulate bitcoin at earlier dates.

A trader has more exposure to the crypto currency market than a regular holder would because of the frequency of interacting with the Blockchain for transactions.
A holder knows nothing more than to HoDL and if they are disciplined enough, can and should HoDL for a couple of years without paying heed to market trends of whale signals or halving in the least

A holder would buy the dip or buy otherwise because they believe more in the outcome than in the currency market situation.

There is no reason to stereotype HODLers in such a negative way Cryptomultiplier, and surely there are HODLers who will spend their BTC from time to time and also experiment with spending.. or even spend and replace.

Holders may well go through BTC accumulation stages for 10 years or more (as long as they been in bitcoin), depending on whether they were eager enough about bitcoin in earlier years to stack a decent amount of bitcoin, then they might have gotten out of their BTC accumulation stage.. kind of forced out of accumulation stage by how much BTC had gone up in the last 7-10 years or even the earliest of adopters from 13 -15 years ago (yeah we will just be getting into bitcoin's 15th birthday in January, so it would not be too common for too many people to have had started in that 13-15 year time frame, even though we do have some of them in this forum.

One of the difficulties in spending remains quite a bit of hostility in terms of how bitcoin is treated for tax purposes, so some people might get confused by how to treat their bitcoin based on not wanting to have to engage in complex accounting practices.

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Actually in this case when talking about investment it is a choice and indeed if we can do it then why not.
Regardless of whether or not fiat is safe at this time we must realize that fiat is the greatest power but investment can indeed be a necessity without leaving fiat because after all for everyday life fiat is still very much needed.
I will not leave fiat in this case because it is also impossible because fiat still has full power, especially to support life but for investment, especially in bitcoin, it is a different story. Do not merely when you are in bitcoin you forget and consider fiat bad because in the end when looking at the situation in everyday life fiat is still a primary factor if categorized as a necessity.

In this part of your post, your ideas sound a little lost Fauderz, even though I think that I understand what you are saying in regards to making sure to keep some feet in the fiat world, even while investing into BTC, and even on a personal level, I don't have any problem with the idea of keeping a foot in both worlds, but your comment's seeming attachment to fiat seems like it could be a bit problematic, as if you don't really understand what bitcoin is offering..... but from the rest of your post, I can see that you do seem to understand that bitcoin is a potentially powerful investment.. so what is it?   Do you consider that there is anything wrong with establishing a bitcoin position and continuing to operate in the fiat world, so it is not like your choice to invest into bitcoin would result in your having to have to give up fiat?   You seem to understand that, so why be so lovey-dovey in the way that you describe fiat?  Sure fiat exists, but we don't need to be lovely-dovey about fiat, since fiat has a lot of problems and hopefully our investment into bitcoin allows us to have some non-correlated exposure to money that is not so controlled and manipulated by state actors, who might not even have bad intentions but the system that they are working within has gotten away from them, so they have to engage in deceptions, lies and desperations to try to keep normies trapped into such a controlling system.. especially ways that fiat is currently being manipulated to control people, which maybe had always been somewhat true and the powers that be do not really like normies using cash, either.


As long as you believe and want to invest in bitcoin then you definitely know what you will do. 30 percent of income if it feels too big then you can reduce it to 20% or 10% according to your own strength.
Many here are married but in the end they can still do DCA consistently. This indicates that belief can make us think more broadly and not only fixated on economic conditions because in the end when good management is done and you know how much income and expense from your income actually it can be a gap to make some changes if you want to invest and it depends on yourself whether you want or not to invest.
someone that doesn't have an investment mindset will always find excuses to give to support his belief. Your mentality plays a great role in determining the kind of decision we make, while some can decide to invest like 20% of a months salary and hodl and just forget that such amount ever enters there hands others will be considering the immediate thing they can do with such amount. If in the long run, they investment pays off, the later regrets his inaction while if it doesn't pay off, since you've already counted that money as gone you won't feel that bad. That's the reason we are advised to invest with an amount we can afford to loose without any serious effect on us.
Therefore, we must have a careful strategy from the beginning so that in the future the needs we need and the ongoing investment (DCA) are not disturbed. 20 percent is not the initial benchmark because if in the end if we are not able to be consistent in the future, why force something that is difficult for us to guarantee so that initial management of finances and planning in investment must be decided carefully from the start.
If we set too much from the beginning, for example 30 percent or 20 percent but are not able to be consistent, it will also be not optimal so it needs further emphasis on whether we are able to invest with an amount of 30 or 20 percent for the long term or not. If in the end this is burdensome then reduce it so that you are able to be consistent but on the other hand you are also able to support the needs of the life you live.

I agree with everything you say here Fauderz, and I would just add that it is likely better to find an amount that is sustainable that is lower than to pick too high an amount, but at the same time, if someone is really on top of their cashflow situation (and they have an emergency fund in place and have even projected out their cashflows for 6-18 months), they may well have enough information about their situation to really be aggressive and to push their DCA to its maximum amount every time they get paid or every month or however they have it set up and decide to fluctuate every paycheck between 10% and 30%, so it is not like they have to be exactly consistent, and just because exchanges allow people to set up automatic DCAs, I am not really much of a fan of the automatic DCA, yet at the same time, many times in the real world, people don't want to have to manually make their BTC buys on a weekly, bi-weekly or monthly basis.
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