Topic: Buy the DIP, and HODL! - page 506. (Read 135912 times)

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Your overall theme sounds good, but there is something wrong with your example.. because if someone bought 5 BTC for an average price of around $12k, that person would have spent around $60k for those 5 BTC, so there surely could be ways to sell some of the BTC and buy them back and to end up with more BTC.  So you are seeming to give away too much by assuming that they are able to sell at or near the top.. and if anyone ends up selling at or near the top, they end up having a lot of options to buy back lower if they did not end up spending it for consumption purposes and they kept that money in their investment portfolio.

Another angle towards ongoing BTC investing, including that bitcoin remains quit a great asymmetric upside bet, so even if someone ends up choosing an overly whimpy BTC investment approach, they still likely enjoy relatively decent odds of being able to prosper from their choice towards having had invested in bitcoin, stacking sats through the years and even HODLing during worrisome periods.

Let's say if someone had got into bitcoin in April 2016, and they had invested $10 per week, and based on about a $3,920 investment into BTC, by now, they could have accumulated around 1.2 BTC.  And, so maybe you are kicking yourself right now because whatever you did, did not result in that level of BTC appreciation, so I personally would suggest to get started doing that, and if you want to try to attempt to make up for your not having had been able to accumulate 1.2BTC by now based on such earlier investments, then maybe you might want to try to be more aggressive in the neighborhood of $100 per week rather than $10 per week, and surely you might still take a long time to get up to 1.2BTC or maybe you will never be able to accumulate 1.2 BTC, so in the end, you have to just figure out the level of aggressiveness that you feel sufficiently works for you and your circumstances without ending up putting yourself into a situation in which you will get reckt or even that you might get reckt because you ended up being too greedy.

I hate to tell too much about myself because I have told about myself so many times that I am sure that members get worn out from hearing my story.

sure many members do get distracted into trading and distracted into shitcoins and then they realize that they should have had employed and maintained a more consistent and ongoing buying strategy, whether it was DCA or buying BTC on dips or some combination of those two.

I feel as if I am repeating myself, and I know that we are not talking about selling in this thread, but sometimes there seems to be some need to make a point, which you keep talking about selling all your bitcoin which  and then you talk about holding after that which largely seems to mean that you would sell and then try to buy back later.

Let's say that a hypothetical person got into BTC in early 2016, and such person had a salary that when from $10k to $30k in the past 7 years, so if such person had not made too many other investments, maybe such person had made some mistakes along the way, but maybe ended up accumulating 2 bitcoin.... so it could be possible that such person never sells all of his/her bitcoin but instead maybe shaves off 10% of his/her then holdings at various points in time.. at $100k, at $150k, at $250k.. .. so even if there might be questions of BTC price direction, the amount of BTC that is sold is less than the profits that had been made in the integers.. and surely you could look at 2 BTC and you could say that from $30k to $100k the profits had gone up $70k per coin, so a total of $140k for that price move, so if there is a decision to sell 50% or less than the profits, you will never run out of bitcoin and you will still be able to skim off pretty decent profits to either be able to buy back if the BTC price goes down or just use such value for consumption purposes.. .

yet, I still would suggest that if you are still in accumulation stages, then it is problematic to be selling too many BTC on the way up and expecting to be able to buy back lower.. but if you think you got it all figured out regarding when to sell and when to buy back that is up to you.. and I think that I probably have already deviated enough from the topic in terms of talking about selling ideas, since this thread is not about it and I still think that conservative selling on the way up if any is still somewhat potentially somewhat still aligned with ideas and accumulation focused theme of this thread.

Personally I think a little knowledge in candlestick patterns would help in the long run if a trader or investo ...

Yeah that's true, in most cases they tend to charge more higher because in every transactions there is always a gas fee so the seller will always make sure the buyers covers for the fees, perhaps even if the seller agrees to sell to him with any amount provided he pays for the gas fees the buyer will still lose because by the time some percent of gas fees will be deducted from each buys his accumulation targets will completely change, the best way is to buy from an exchange were as he could buy any amount he desires with a risk free instead of buying from someone which perhaps may have other criteria or minimum transaction amount before transacting.

Sure, it could be a little problematic if you are buying directly from a person, and sometimes, they might have a minimum that is several hundred dollars before they will even transact with you because they do not want to be having to interact with you with small transactions, so maybe in those cases you would have to wait several weeks or even several months before the amount of money that you have is high enough to meet their minimum transaction threshold.

I have asked before, those who often say they buy in stages throughout the year, can I see a more efficient description of the strategy they use, do they only buy with an accumulation of $10 per week or accumulate every quarter. A good strategy is to buy at every dip that occurs consistently rather than buying $10 at every stage, because you have to pay petrol costs which are considered inappropriate at every stage they do. Well, I agree with you JJG, a fairly accurate description of the topic is to buy and hold and forget about trading because it can have a bad effect on the sustainability of the investment being made. True holders are those who do not see a sell button in a component they have planned. Depending on their strategy, the most important thing is to buy and continue to hold.

Maybe you should give an example from yourself? 

You have been a member of the forum since 2015, so perhaps you could have started out with one strategy and then changed to another and then changed to another. 

I hate to tell too much about myself because I have told about myself so many times that I am sure that members get worn out from hearing my story.

So go ahead Furious 7 - or anyone else.. tell us how you might have started out your BTC accumulation strategy and then how you might have changed it from time to time in order to try to make it better.  And another thing, I don't really think that we want to hear about trading, but more in lines with how you might have engaged in some kind of an accumulation strategy, and sure many members do get distracted into trading and distracted into shitcoins and then they realize that they should have had employed and maintained a more consistent and ongoing buying strategy, whether it was DCA or buying BTC on dips or some combination of those two.

But in this case we also need to discuss about some methods or strategies that are done. I don't really have a problem with discussions like this it's just that when talking about investing then I will be firm that bitcoin is something that is very feasible for me but when talking about the strategies carried out I have never considered myself perfect in investing so that with discussions like this we can know what we can adopt from others by looking at the shortcomings that we did before.
I think about the strategies and methods used for investment still have to be upgraded because even though being in bitcoin is something very good but if the way we do it is wrong then the results will definitely be less than optimal.

and that is what we need to believe and do..

I don't know why need to extend the discussion that long when the title already speaks for itself.

Buying Dip - it is time to Accumulate because we are in dip market now abd this is the perfect timing for it.

HODL - this will stand on how  long we can take the holding..  some are just for the net halving and bullrun , but others wanted to take as far as the market can go.

but for me? i will depend in what i do believe and that is buying every amount that i can risk , and will hold till then if not forever .

He should carefully read your previous post and he should not be hypothetical with the accumulated annual profits from bitcoin investments, although they argue that bitcoin assets are for investment purposes but many investors have placed orders at the point of $100k to sell 10-20% of bitcoin assets , but if I have 2 bitcoins. I will plan a different strategy to sell 50-70% at $100k price point and start DCA strategy again when the price corrects below 85k, but the feasibility of the strategy depends on market review because when the market is bullish maybe the price can exceed +110k and we just need to review the prediction of the highest price that is likely to be reached and at that time we will use this strategy for the purpose of increasing the value of bitcoin investment by buying bitcoin during market corrections.

If you continue to worry about the price in your DCA method then this will hinder you, it could be that you keep thinking about the price that has started to rise while still hesitating to continue? I think this thought must be eliminated at least whatever the price is if it's the DCA method then just do it.

This was my initial problem too when I started it was really hard when I kept seeing price movements, if you keep thinking about this then investing in the DCA way will not develop but you will be reluctant to continue because you keep seeing prices.
If the goal of DCA is long-term, there is no need to worry about it, it should be a habit for us that there is no stopping to continue DCA.

Again.. your hypothetical seems to be misreading what I had said, even though I don't really disagree with some of your points, but the numbers that I had been trying to use don't work anymore if you are changing that $30k from annually and into monthly.

From a $10k salary per month, if the investor invests $2k per month for 3 years, it is a total of $72k.

For now, about 2 points something BTC, the investor might decide to sell some specific amount that he can use for important something like starting another investment because that is also a good idea.
When a salary increases to $30k, the investor can decide to increase his investment to a good amount like $5k or above, so he can have multiple folds for the 4 years and investing $5k for 4 years will give you a good amount of BTC at the end.

Perhaps you can Also get into a trouble while using DCA method, one of things we most understand is that DCA doesn't guarantee a completely safety and minimize risk but is totally depends on the psychology or mindset of the investors because DCA is only but a strategy while the method of the utility depends on the investors however DCA strategy only work when the investors obey the rules were accumulating with a small funds which you no cannot affect your financial state and at the same time having a back up funds.

Also a DCA strategy tend to fail in your investment plan were as you over invest thinking you are using DCA strategy or investing with a strategy of selling off your investment to attend for some needs that arise.

Actually everyone is entitled to choose whatever method that's well suitable for them, but responding based on our discussion and strategies here we don't advise buying low and selling higher if the price retrace up, is actually a gambling strategy were as the possibility of making a profits or losing money is on a 50 to 50 percent chances, perhaps you could be left behind while selling off your investment were as the market will keep shooting up and never give you the chance to buy back again, so perhaps I will just suggest you hold for long instead of chasing the market price.

If we continue to invest as per the DCA strategy then we will not face any problem. Because DCA techniques must be known. Bitcoin is known to everyone because of its popularity through volatility and the use of DCA strategy is only appropriate in such situations. Because in this current situation DCA strategy does not show any risk of Bitcoin profit but it reduces the risk of investing in Bitcoin and makes it easier for the investor to invest for long term. So ultimately the number of long-term investments in Bitcoin is only waiting for DC and strategy followers.

I don't know how everyone is DCA, but what I'm doing is I will DCA if the price drops more, but this is not often because I don't always have the money available every time the market drops more. The second method that I am using more often is that I will buy bitcoin at the beginning of the month every time I receive my salary. After I have deducted all necessary living expenses for that month, I will buy Bitcoin with the remaining money regardless of what price it is trading for. Because my sell target is still the new ATH, as long as the price remains below my sell target, I will buy without worrying about the price. Furthermore, bitcoin is unpredictable, waiting for a cheaper price to buy may not be successful.

You are right, once we have used the DCA method but still think about price it will greatly affect our investment.

Actually everyone is entitled to choose whatever method that's well suitable for them, but responding based on our discussion and strategies here we don't advise buying low and selling higher if the price retrace up, is actually a gambling strategy were as the possibility of making a profits or losing money is on a 50 to 50 percent chances, perhaps you could be left behind while selling off your investment were as the market will keep shooting up and never give you the chance to buy back again, so perhaps I will just suggest you hold for long instead of chasing the market price.

All the things we think are easy sometimes don't match our expectations, which is if you sell all your BTC holdings to make a profit in the near future it could be that you are making the worst decision. Because if the price falls back to the first entry level it could be that we  can accumulate more BTC because it is supported by the profits we get. But if the price of BTC continues to rise then you have to wait longer, which is even worse to imagine. This means that it is better to continue holding in the long term rather than selling at a fairly small level of profit. Even though it is contrary to what was discussed, of course it is an option based on their respective positions. I think there is always quite a high level of depression that occurs in us if after we sell, the price of Bitcoin continues to rise, even reaching 10% that day. (of course that is a regret that you will remember in the next few days/or months). On the other hand, it is better to buy at dips and hold in the long term for the next 1 year. That is more realistic in all the planning you make in the investments you have made.