This thread appeared in just a few days and then it went quiet. I'm not sure the op was successful in buying any BFL pre-orders. If you read through the thread it look like the OP may have been building some kind of fraud case against BFL.
There is no indication the OP scammed anyone or even tried. He simply made an offer that he thought represented the value of these miners. BFL has never delivered on any promise they've made. Ever.
The evidence has been here all along:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/re-butterfly-labs-ceo-25-million-usd-mail-fraud-a-concise-summary-of-evidence-110805
Topic: Buying BFL debt. $0.10 per dollar owed. (Read 16045 times)
What an incredibly stupid thread!
The OP probably made a fortune off of BFL investors. Now he is quiet while the BFL orders roll in for 10 cents on the dollar.
If you are going to scam folks, go after BFL investors. They are pre-screened for you.
And the OP was right about one thing:
There is very little chance of BFL being honest enough to refund everybody's orders...
What an incredibly stupid thread!
It's obvious with recent propaganda videos and lack of communication that the entire scheme is ready to collapse, i have enough information on the major players to initiate my lawsuit once everything goes south, but don't have enough owed to me to make it worth the initial investment for legal counsel.
Are you still buying BFL debt? You would rather I be like you and call everything a scam?
I'm actually closer to calling your operation a scam.
Your website claims to sell contracts but the actual contract is nowhere to be found.
I think you're onto something here boss... guys comes in and claims to have spent $90k on BFL phantom ware then he attacks us like WE'RE the idiots.
Ok, so BFl is NOT a con... oh... ok....
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
You would rather I be like you and call everything a scam?
So wishing BFL to be legitimate makes me a bad person?
Give me a break. Either put up real proof that BFL are thieves a d won't deliver or plainly shut up. It's one thing to complain about delay, another to call a perfectly legitimate operation a scam.
Regards
I posted evidence of the scam. Go look at my post again.
I'm sure that's true... because that's all you have. Goofy pictures and the same rhetoric and lies you spew over and over.
Cool story, bro.
Cool story, bro.
shut up and pay the charity bet!
I guess that bfl has massive cash flow problems.
Strongly recommend a refund
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I'm asking you to back up your statements with evidence. You are lacking said evidence while you're making statements that are not factual. I am attempting to force you into providing said evidence to prove that you aren't making shit up.
_I_ know you're making shit up, but not everyone else does. It's better if you make this clear to everyone than me just saying you're making shit up. I notice that you still haven't provided any posts for any type of wager I have allegedly made, according to you.
_I_ know you're making shit up, but not everyone else does. It's better if you make this clear to everyone than me just saying you're making shit up. I notice that you still haven't provided any posts for any type of wager I have allegedly made, according to you.
He will not provide ANY evidence. You know why? Because he is a TOOL!!!
Was passing through and saw this ridiculous topic and had to comment.
All some of these idiots do is call "scam". They seem to get a kick out of it. You are wasting your time with him and some of the guys on here. They only act as effective timewasters. I have decided to ignore trolls and tools altogether and concentrate on building a business.
Besides , bitcoin is much much larger Bitcointalk.org. Why do I say that? Well 80 percent of my customers don't come from here at all.
Keep up the good work.
Regards
Good work is...
1. Being 7 months late.
2. Missing Dozens of deadlines given.
3. Missed power/speed specs
4. Trolling forums and cussing at customers
5. Doubling device costs.
6. ...(anyone care to add to this list of GOOD WORK Josh has done?)
Be quiet Troll :-)
That was a pointless post. Clever example of your creativity or lack thereof!!!
I'll concentrate on being productive. So should you.
By the way - being late doesn't constitute a scam. Being late does not defer the fact "good work" is being done.
To lie to customers by using deceptive advertising to dupe customers into giving money on products that don't exist. Raising prices along with cancelling peoples prepaid express shipping.
I believe he is doing a service to others that may not know how criminal this company is. Not to mention the criminal origins of one of the co founders.
Yea you would not understand a scam even if one were to point it out to you.
Here is some evidence of working of the scam. just a glimpse.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2139947
Won't expect a reply since your so busy.
If you have an order with BFL then simply cancel. Instead of spreading conjecture and pure blind anger around. I urge all those who are not happy to cancel their BFL orders. But not they won't. They just want a forum to rant and bitcointalk seems the perfect oasis for that.
If you don't have an order with them then I don't what you are attempting to prove.
You don't know what I'm attempting to do? Right
Ok Fine.
What are you attempting to do by telling someone he's a troll? Did he lie in his post? Did I lie?
You see what I am attempting to do now?
Sorry I hurt your feeling.
On a more pertinent point. Customers have the ability to vote with their wallets. This thread is the epitome of what is wrong with bitcoin talk. Paranoia, hysteria and sheer lack or respect.
If people are not happy CANCEL YOUR ORDER. Posting continuous back and forth gibberish does nothing good for all.
Regards
Which one of the 5 points in BOLD above was I trolling about? Which one is not true? Please point it out.
Yes I do troll sometimes, but right now given all of the bullshit excuses/delays by BFL I am just repeating and consolidating all of the known facts about BFL and their preorders etc.
Only someone who had a vested interest in seeing BFL delay longer would call me a troll for speaking truth in the 5 points above.
I'm sure that's true... because that's all you have. Goofy pictures and the same rhetoric and lies you spew over and over.
Cool story, bro.
Cool story, bro.
What 'lies' did i 'spew over and over' then?
Or is this just a blatant generalisation of anything not to your liking?
The picture came to mind because of your way of communicating. You are autojoking.
Don't worry Josh is just trying to deflect. I mean he claims to be so busy that they can't deal with their bet/charity donations of 1000 BTC yet he has time to come on this forum and deflect.
The writing is on the wall. For someone who claims they have so much work and not enough time to do the work and tells customers to STFU because they are working on getting ASIC devices out the door en masse or testing them I mean lol...
He sure has a lot of time to come on this forum and try to stir up shit.
The writing is on the wall. BFL is currently in their "HAIL-MARY" phase. If this phase is unsuccessful, that is when things start to go very bad and I mean you will have more and more excuses etc and no product shipped. Get your refunds while you still can people.
I'm sure that's true... because that's all you have. Goofy pictures and the same rhetoric and lies you spew over and over.
Cool story, bro.
Cool story, bro.
What 'lies' did i 'spew over and over' then?
Or is this just a blatant generalisation of anything not to your liking?
The picture came to mind because of your way of communicating. You are autojoking.
I'm sure that's true... because that's all you have. Goofy pictures and the same rhetoric and lies you spew over and over.
Cool story, bro.
Cool story, bro.
What are you attempting to do by telling someone he's a troll? Did he lie in his post? Did I lie?
You see what I am attempting to do now?
You see what I am attempting to do now?
Yes, you did lie. You do repeatedly in every post. What is your point? We already know you're a liar and a troll, thanks for continuing to confirm it though.
Dude, go away.
You have lied enough yourself to make you look goofy when you point out any dishonesty in others.
When i read your post all i could see is the picture with the clown nose.
Sorry if your heart just fell on the floor and exploded cloudhasher. That article https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640 is a killer.
Yes read it months ago.
You seem to get good satisfaction out of another man's past errors. Tutt tutt
You are so sad!
Hiiiiiii SLok!
What happened to your old account? Did you rename yourself? What are you attempting to do by telling someone he's a troll? Did he lie in his post? Did I lie?
You see what I am attempting to do now?
You see what I am attempting to do now?
Yes, you did lie. You do repeatedly in every post. What is your point? We already know you're a liar and a troll, thanks for continuing to confirm it though.
You would rather I be like you and call everything a scam?
I'm actually closer to calling your operation a scam.
Your website claims to sell contracts but the actual contract is nowhere to be found.
There is only a description of a contract but no actual contract in sight. You cannot legaly sell something that does not exist.
Moreover, in many countries you would need a signature for a contract to be valid.
Your website is the perfect setup for taking peoples money and run.
As far as i can see your website is deliberately vague about the important things that a contract should contain.
For instance, nothing is mentioned about what happens if your company fails to live up to the contract. People who buy these pictures of a contract have absolutely no legal ground to stand on, while the word 'contract' suggests they do.
The contracts are fake and that's illegal.
For now you should not be considered an honest business.
Sorry if your heart just fell on the floor and exploded cloudhasher. That article https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640 is a killer.
Yes read it months ago.
You seem to get good satisfaction out of another man's past errors. Tutt tutt
You are so sad!
Sorry if your heart just fell on the floor and exploded cloudhasher. That article https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640 is a killer.
STILL didn't read the post, huh?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
If you can actually read through the linked post and come back here and tell me with a straight face that BFL is legitimate I'll eat my hat. There is NOTHING "perfectly legitimate" about BFL. Just read the article. I am NOT your enemy. I actually feel for you that you spent so much money on a machine you will never get. You would have been MUCH better off buying the Avalon chips or ASICMINER gear. BFL is a long con, period.
AND as we all know, you ordered AFTER they stopped offering refunds. Your 90k is gone, my friend.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
If you can actually read through the linked post and come back here and tell me with a straight face that BFL is legitimate I'll eat my hat. There is NOTHING "perfectly legitimate" about BFL. Just read the article. I am NOT your enemy. I actually feel for you that you spent so much money on a machine you will never get. You would have been MUCH better off buying the Avalon chips or ASICMINER gear. BFL is a long con, period.
AND as we all know, you ordered AFTER they stopped offering refunds. Your 90k is gone, my friend.
Ok, so BFl is NOT a con... oh... ok....
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
You would rather I be like you and call everything a scam?
So wishing BFL to be legitimate makes me a bad person?
Give me a break. Either put up real proof that BFL are thieves a d won't deliver or plainly shut up. It's one thing to complain about delay, another to call a perfectly legitimate operation a scam.
Regards
Ok, so BFl is NOT a con... oh... ok....
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
Didn't actually read it did you... Not possible because you can't possibly read that quickly. But you go on and attack me, like I'm the problem mr troll.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.640
And, like I tried to explain, quoting the entire comment makes the thread unreadable. Of course that's what you prefer right inaba clone?
I have an idea, cloudhasher, rather than come here and attack the community as you have perhaps you should be honest about the reason you WISH BFL was legitimate:
"We have 3 mini rigs on pre order with BFL. This represents a massive $90,000 investment"
Your Order #100019552 (placed on March 5, 2013 4:50:53 AM CST)
...Hello,
I am not sure that I responded back to you or not but wanted to let you know that we have received your payment..
I have attached your order information.
Dave
Butterfly Labs, Inc.
Account Manager
913-271-6744
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 4:53 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
Receipt for my payment. Should take 3 working days to reach you
Please watch out for it.
Kind regards
But why you would attack the community is beyond me.
Wow dude, you were accused of being a scammer on your VERY FIRST DAY in these forums:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-cloudhashingcom-a-scam-163741
No wonder you want to defend Inaba... you are his customer and just like him you've been accused of being a scammer.
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