Topic: Can Chat GTP destroy poker on-line gambling??? (Read 5048 times)

A bluff is deliberate false information. 
Here it is worth asking a much broader question. 
And actually, in percentage terms, AI can provide false information to a person.  And how will AI evaluate how much false and how much objective information to provide to a person in communication with him?  In my opinion, AI now has so much false information that it itself is no longer able to distinguish the truth from an obvious lie.  Well, if this is so, then the AI ​​will probably learn such a poker tool as bluffing very quickly.  And most importantly, it is completely unclear how to try to recognize this bluff. 
This is not a rival, a person who still has some emotions that can be read on his face or by his gestures or something else visually. 
And this will just strengthen the AI’s position as an opponent in the game.  He becomes a more dangerous opponent.

Just look at the videos showing AI beating top poker professionals on YouTube, and I think you'll agree with me then. And it's not that AI "knows" the cards of the opponents or something like that. Everything's fair in that regard. AI is just playing better. It calculates the probabilities of this or that outcome after this or that move and acts accordingly and it works in the long run.

In my opinion, artificial intelligence is not very suitable for poker. One of the main things in poker is the ability to bluff. How well and convincingly can an artificial intelligence bluff? It may well learn to do so over time, though.

Well, unfortunately I see it this way, it is very unfortunate that now the capacities of human beings are seen so low and so majestic at the same time, because sometimes we ourselves are the destroyers of our own lives, and without losing focus we are a person who We are always hoping that we can do something different, something different, something to change, but it is not like that, personally I have always said that things can be threatened to do something good, and that something good is an aram for ourselves, here Yes, it is clear that the game is one of the things where sometimes a lot of darkness is involved, but if we are a person who, upon finishing the game, statistics, mathematics and very deep Indian study can take us to an extreme where we no longer nothing can be done through human means, things are already becoming years of robots, and the human aspect is going down in history.

Robots are one of the things that we have always thought that things can Replace us, but at this point a robot can be more precise, not only in games, in brain operations, in the hands of anything that needs synchronization. and a perfection in the movements can be much better, that is why now the things that we are still able to do with an AI robot like games, because our chances of surpassing them are greatly reduced, and it is a fact Things will always be done this way, now I wonder what the casino will do if a player manages to integrate an AI rRobot into a game and manages to make big bets to win a lot of money? how will they do it ? Because I imagined that the caisno will not be left behind, they also have their protection measures and of course this could make a difference , I personally would say that things can be quite hard and I don't know what preventive measures they can implement .

But I don't agree with this conclusion.  If the game actually uses a 100% provable fairness algorithm and all processes associated with the distribution of cards proceed according to a deliberately random mechanism, the algorithm of which is deliberately hidden from AI access, and AI is also completely unable to obtain information from this algorithm in any way (well, for example, roughly  speaking this is simply a person randomly drawing a card from a deck of cards at random and there is no connection with electronic machine algorithms).  In this case, it seems to me that the AI ​​poker game will be just a game with a very strong opponent. 
And it is not at all necessary, since the player will lose.

So, I see here we've come to conclusion that AI can destroy online poker eventually? I myself didn't believe this couple of months ago, and here I am saying that it's possible. I can only hope that humans will find a way to be better in poker than any AI, but it's just my hopes for now.

I cannot say less, I have seen the opinion of many famous people in the world where they advise that the development of AI not continue, because the Human being can regret it, we have seen some movies that are science fiction that for me are no longer relevant, so much science fiction because it is totally feasible and can happen at any time , we do not know how Technologies and things are being developed in a plane that we do not know within our earth, we do not know what NASA's technology is like, we do not know how this is Managed of AI, they will surely have this already developed in its maximum splendor and we here fighting against BETA versions, which they do not launch for sure as the oldest technology that they have already developed to keep us entertained, I am sure that there are versions of AI that They are capable of predicting more accurately and winning any poker championship to whatever extent and under whatever conditions they may be.

In this order of ideas, things with poker are something small that is surely already the result with another way of Seeing things with AI , or we do not know if more go ahead the AI in poker is what the casinos will use to be able to ensure their profit, but in part we should not be people who believe in everything that is implemented in our minds, we should be more critical, it is a fact that sometimes or in most things an AI tells us will surpass in everything , in Knowledge and in capabilities, where the management of the human being will be much less, only the one who has the best AI update is the one who will be able to work better and have more money, that is what this is about, improving the AI to generate money , Professions or anything will be replaced by this, what will matter most will be the games of chance that will be AI battles, in poker the best thing is that all the PVP tournaments are held, where each one shows that he is a human and for that the Moment will come when everything is based on cameras, so that the Person who Plays can be seen.

I think this system has been developed already. AI is not a poker bot like they used to be. It can bluff, it can call insane bluffs and stuff like that. The thing is that AI can "think" billion times faster than humans, and it's undeniable that that matters. Think of it like this: Poker players have time bank which they often use to their advantage, but that time bank is immensely bigger for AI.

A question to all the poker players out there - what will you do if/when online poker gets completely taken over by bots/AI and there's no way to prevent this? Would you quit playing poker altogether or play it in the "real life", playing against others face to face?
Playing at a real table is much more different than online, you need be aware of own (and others) body language, and the game is way slower.

There will never be gambling site that allows its customers to use AI to play with the aim of beating the games in the casino.
Many gamblers try to do some exploitative actions to win at gambling but they fail, gambling sites apply various pressures to deter gamblers from doing such things.
Now the use of AI will only be useful for a few groups or few people who need it.
From the start, I felt that it was better for all gamblers to stay away from things like this so that there wouldn't be any problems with the site they were using.

It is true and indeed poker really requires skill and also confidence in predicting what number the opponent card sequence holds.
Now some people consider AI to be truly superior technology, but they don't realize that it is actually impossible for AI to always be superior because each site has its own way of suppressing all activities that involve the use of AI.

Well, in a tournament I will play against an AI because things can Scare me a little , because I am playing in front of a Machine where there is no error and it has many moves recorded and I can see them any time I want and based on this make the decision adequate, I think that in the future the AIs will be much more perfect, they will be able to have the Prediction system Developed making the things they see more expensive to be able to do well and with a high Probability that they will be favorable for them, they can even think about getting there to believe or think what letters they have in their hands, because their memory is much larger and more powerful than that of any human, that is what they could be afraid of, the Human being has not yet developed its full potential, and that is The main reason is that we are sometimes a little Slow to think quickly in the middle of a game, not an AI, because it is a better system than a PC where it records your best play every time you make it.

I have seen many science fiction movies that are about AI, but watching it they see how things are happening so quickly, well it does not surprise me that this Science fiction is like a preparation for us of how we should face all this Of course it is Somewhat Exaggerated as it sounds, but who knows, it could be true, nothing is written, but if we start to look back on certain films , the Things they have presented are very revealing, because now we have them, calmly or with so much illustration of Literality, but if we focus on that focus that has been shown to us on Certain occasions, they can be presented as realities that can happen, or Perhaps are already happening , that is why we should not see many things as not possible, AI in its current approach, I think, is far beyond what science fiction movies have Shown us, for that Reason we cannot allow ourselves to be Surprised, they are still in a beta phase.

What is worth bearing in mind is that, while creative minds might find a way to extract a useful strategy out of AI like ChatGPT and apply it to gambling, successful players are heavily monitored by such sites and they will find a way to shut down something that is costing them money. They will also be taking great efforts to apply ChatGPT and similar to boost their own defenses, where they have teams that are set up to constantly improve their profitability and look for any weaknesses in their odds calculations. They stand to lose a lot of money if their data analysis and odds prediction is wrong, so they are willing to spend a lot of money - more than any individual is likely to invest - in beating that curve.

That's definitely a good point to consider, just because you are having a good strategy doesn't mean the AI is optimizing your poker play. However, I think that many of the good poker players have already great strategies and AI might not really get and advantage over them playing only on one table. For me the advantage of AI would be it's speed and the chance to increase the number of tables we can could be running at the time. I have trouble to play at more than 3-4 tables at the same time and still gather all the important information. A strong AI would have no problem to run 10 or 20 tables at the same time. This would of course make it obvious that we are using AI and the casino might limit our access in the future. Also, other players would notice on how many tables we are sitting simultaneous and might adapt their plays when facing us. I am curious too see how much impact AI really has on poker in the future.

No one is saying AI can win all the games. It's impossible. Take Daniel Negreanu and arrange a game between him and a random guy who just learned how to play poker yesterday, and you you can't guarantee that Daniel Negreanu will beat that guy in all games. Same with AI. But if in the course of many games AI surely wins the money, that can be scary to some humans, you are right.

I agree that the possibility of the AI ​​poker game turning into a nightmare for human players.  Simply because there really are too many components of the game that can be identified, recognized as certain signals for calculating probabilities and that will be taken into account by the AI ​​during the game itself.  In addition, statistical analysis of the time intervals of opponents' moves can be specially applied, also based on the psychological state of the opponents - human players.  And statistical identification of opponents' reactions.  And m any other minor factors. 

But in general, subject to guaranteed algorithms of confirmed fairness, the game can be won by AI against human opponents, according to my estimates, in about 70% of cases.  Although it will definitely be very difficult for people to play with AI.

I think the more accessible AI becomes, the easier it'll be to exploit online game systems.
Think about it, when online chess was becoming popular, many users were using outside assistance to achieve the perfect moves.
This was not so easy to detect when online chess was making its first moves.
But years later its so easy to detect using counter-measures AI that users using assistance are banned in minutes.

With online poker though it might be a little harder. Not everything about the opponent's hand can be known, only some possibilities.
So counter measures might include intense proctoring and low-level monitoring such as anti-cheat software, live cameras etc. Who knows, serious online poker might become a surveillance nightmare for the user if the stakes are high.

Well yes, maybe in that case it is possible, but based on the fact that this game also has open spaces because that is what a human can grasp, a human can still enjoy that small possibility, but I will really be afraid of it. When an AI manages to win all the poker game s, all without exception, it seems something impossible but I don't know if we will ever see something like that, but at less than 100 games if it wins 95 it is something that is already scary, for now What humans can do is practice with AI to see how it can learn from them, as you say they have many strategies to be able to do, however with a machine it is difficult to play and win , we have an Important factor, which of Course sometimes make tricks that don't make sense , but Sometimes we play to have good luck and we can have it, which is very different from an AI where it plays with everything very calculated, an AI does not take risks because the things they have to do They are very punctual.

In AI there are many particularities that can be taken into consideration in order to have the best to continue improving, until now AI can be seen as one of the best things that humans have been amazed to do, and it can be considered that you can have a optimal performance so that it can make a difference in anything, in the field of games of chance , poker is one of the games that people play the most and that those who have just started want to do the most, in this case what they can do It is that the AIs that advance are going to Surpass themselves and this can be a Double-edged sword for us as humans, yes, it can already be an AI that is very superior to us but that makes us demand much more from ourselves and I have to a better performance in our game, is it difficult? Maybe so, but we can't give up, we have to do Everything possible to get things done as Soon as Possible to have a better Understanding of Poker.

Of course, in a particular game, with better cards, a human can beat an AI. No one is saying that AI always wins. But we're talking about thousands of hands played. something around ten thousand. The more games you play, the less part luck plays in the result. And that's how you can see who's better: thousands of hands must be played.


We are not superior already. It's not a question, it's proved. You can watch on YouTube how Pluribus beats human professionals in poker.

Honestly it depends with the programming of the AI/bot, for example can it count cards as it's extra feature...

Otherwise the fact that it plays without emotions , and probably will follow an algorithm of " if ,then, else.." then it's more likely to survive the long term without having to play high risk tables which we humans can go on to play even with a bad hand in the name of a bluff...but all in all Bots can likely play better than us humans.

Well, when you bring a robot that is widely developed in AI with all the information available, it is a good thing, because first it can be taken as training, but when someone tries to integrate this type of robot in a casino it will be very difficult, first The casino will detect that it is a robot and the robot will surely face a casino system where it is not easy to win at home, when online tournaments are held, in PVp mode perhaps the robot could be more successful, but as in everything, In the casinos there is always the advantage of the house and this can win over the soas when they are pretty good because it can give lessons, but between a poker AI against a human being it is very difficult for the human to win, however I I dare say that the human being can see himself with good luck if he gets a winning hand and if the robot doesn't, because how can an AI robot win if he doesn't get a good game? I can get 4 catrtas of the same color, but nothing goes to the machine, so how does it do there? nothing, then that window of randomness is what can make us beat any AI.

Of course this is a very particular case, it is possible, but the AI cannot handle the cards that will be repeated, no matter how much theory the AI has, it can be won, the only thing is that the AI can have the advantage in the way of doing it. the bets and according to how you move your money, you can have better risk management with respect to this and they can make a difference, so in this order of ideas we do nothing more than accept things as they are, but now what if I see that it is difficult to beat an AI in a chess game because there is no randomness nor is there a factor of luck that can make us overcome the advantage, so what we have to do is everything so that a good game can be generated , it is AI, vs human Natural Intelligence, which I still see as being superior, until AI has a level of consciousness, we will always be superior.