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I wouldn't say "destroy", there were already some software that gave out the odds, so it is not like this would bring in anything new. Any AI would be able to collect the data from what you give it, and the odds will be there, anyone who wagers with odds on the screen knowing what are their chances to win, will be a bit ahead of everyone else, obviously there are a lot of people who already know this by heart and on their minds, without needing it, those are professionals and no GTP would be able to beat that at all.

I think the fact that we are talking about something "special" here is wrong, it is just a normal situation and doesn't feel like it will make any type of change for the long term results of poker gambling.

No, that is certainly not true. Pluribus, an AI, can beat top poker professionals, and not only heads-up, but  in a complex multiplayer game too. The question is will it be available for regular folks to use and how high are the costs of learning in real-time during its online play, but it's not a question that it can beat even the best humans at poker.
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ChatGPT or some other AI can only help a beginner not to make too stupid actions because of which the player can lose money. But if we go further and imagine that someone will play against me online, I can easily adapt to such a player. If we continue to play for some time, I will learn AI's actions so much that I can exploit his playing strategy, which will allow me to win all the money. Professional poker players will do this even faster than I can. Therefore, I am confident that nothing will kill online gambling in the next 5 years. It is simply impossible to predict further, because during this time a version may appear that I can't even think about now.
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No matter how advanced technology Chat GPT is, I don't think this advanced technology can destroy online gambling sites. Gambling site will never stop it will continue for ages. As long as there are different sports and different casinos in the world, these gambling sites will never stop. When various tasks were being completed with the help of AI technology in a very short time, many people feared that this AI technology may take away the human workplace, but some of us were wrong. AI technology may be able to do more tasks faster but not all tasks can be handled with AI technology. Manually a task can be finished as well as possible using this technology but that task cannot be finished as well so no matter what anyone says I think online gambling will never end.
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I wouldn't say "destroy", there were already some software that gave out the odds, so it is not like this would bring in anything new. Any AI would be able to collect the data from what you give it, and the odds will be there, anyone who wagers with odds on the screen knowing what are their chances to win, will be a bit ahead of everyone else, obviously there are a lot of people who already know this by heart and on their minds, without needing it, those are professionals and no GTP would be able to beat that at all.

I think the fact that we are talking about something "special" here is wrong, it is just a normal situation and doesn't feel like it will make any type of change for the long term results of poker gambling.
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Every time AI technology becomes more and more developed and its development is very fast, this is what makes it possible that one day it can be used for gambling such as online poker, but I'm still not sure they can beat humans who may already be skilled at playing online poker even though we know AI can just win against its users through other casino games hoping for luck but if in an online poker game against humans in a room or some kind of tournament, I'm not sure they can win it

Maybe they can read the character and behavior of each gambling player so that he knows how to beat by bluffing and so on, but for me online poker games like that are different from other casino games which rely on luck and can be manipulated by the system and the dealer, online poker is different with other casino games.
  Study have revealed that expert porker player overwhelmingly support the use of AI for the game, cause they feel like it’s elevate their game more and made them a better player. Though larger player haven’t utilized AI to win, but they turned to AI systems either to experiment with different strategies or to learn new playing scenario. Majority of the poker players believe that AI bot will eventually rule poker, making it near impossible to win against them.
  It is important to know that the artificial intelligence isn’t new in the poker world. People have use this new technology to their advantage to better their game. While the relationship between technology and poker has been established there’s the possibility of increased involvement in the game thanks to AI. Respondents to the above survey recognize that the future of poker games is bright with the help of chat GPT and AI. This can be regulated in a way players don’t have to cheat while playing but anything more than practicing should be violated.
  

Well, what you say is interesting, although I am one of the people who believe that even humans can have an AI at play, because even though I would think that they can have so many connections, they do not have human invention, and I also believe that there is still no knowledge in the AI of any robot, and I say that because in poker there is always the random element, the part that plays luck, how an AI can compete if it gets no game in a hand against a person who unless do you get 1 pair? So for that reason I think that human beings still have that possibility, now if it is something completely and hermetically closed like a game of chess, it is very different, but because chess is a very complex game given that there are many options to play. a play, the robot can perhaps study all that, but invention, human creativity, that is not improvised, the robot is very systematic, so I say that this is not enough to beat a human, even Even if you advance a lot, human beings will always have the ability to be more intelligent.

Now, with some AI techniques you can improve the game of a professional player, it is very good that you learn a lot about AI, because at least you learn to think like a machine, but it is a good option to have to know how to play. against the machines and well for me the main thing of all is to always do things very original, own strategies, because that is what the robots do not have in store, and although they can see many plays there is always something that could be done, so in Given this, we as humans must be and be above these things as technology advances, we cannot let ourselves lose control of this, because when it comes to doing things in less time, they can beat us, humanly we do not think so quickly And we don't do things as fast as a robot that can do many things.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Is stil 50.50 or I am Missing something here?
It's fairly easy even the AI doesn't know the card, you don't even have to use an AI as traditional programming might be able to help you with this one, if you can find a programmer that can create a card counting scheme that keeps track of the cards that's been used in the deck by the dealer and by the player, you can just deduce the possible cards that the other players are holding depending on the card count but that's not a guaranteed win as there's always that possibility that the other players will win plus in poker, you can bluff your way to intimidate your opponents and the AI can't keep track of the players' cards that have folded pre-flop so it's still not that good but if you really want to cheat in poker, why not just coerce the dealer?

Poker is not a 50-50 game at all, you have to know the chances of winning very well to be a pro player. They train many hours a day if they want to keep on top of the game. An AI does not get tired, does not forget, can learn without any sleep and can play over and over millions of games until it learns. It can even learn about the habits of player better than the player itself.
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So when AI (or a human player) is "good" in Poker, it means it makes more money than it loses. So not only would the AI be able to chose a proper strategy, i.e. knowing when to call/fold/or raise, but it could be much better at analysing human players' style (especially when historical games' data is available) then people.

Well said.

I suppose that the limitation would be reading the other player based on their actions. On one hand, it could additionally consider the probability of other players hands and play accordingly. On the other hand, it might not take this into account.

Sure, AI can determine the probability of its own hand and (maybe) bet accordingly...though I am sure this would require quite a lot of training. i doubt you could just plug and play with chat gpt.

Bet sizing, hand probability, opponent bet sizing/hand probability, etc. Are all things to consider.

How the AI acts would also be somewhat static, maybe even predictable as it follows the same parameters for each hand.

The more it's thought about, the more complex success in using ai for poker would actually be. Definitely easier said than done!

Well that can be done when a player is on-site example like in vegas so the AI can detect faces of humans and etc. but when the player is online it is still need more input than raise and fold in my opinion because when you play poker online your enemy is anon secondly dealer can cheat on you and there is also bluff from other enemy right.

So it is yes need a lot of training but i still doubt that the AI is gonna win all the time. Just like trading Market trend is hard to predict when there is something like news etc.

the AI maybe can predict game like Slot in my opinion

The dealer cheating is kind of unrelated to the topic, as this is an anomaly that would mess with both humans and players. I suppose AI would even pick up on cheating, due to the low probability things that occur when cheating occurs.

Anyhow, yes, anonymity of secondary players is somewhat of a factor however AI could still analyse ongoing behavior. This is going a bit meta though, it would take a lot of programming to achieve an AI that could not only instantly calculate the best play, but analyse other player behaviour and additionally ongoing behaviour. The effort to create something like this would be similar to that of the effort required to create an Ai facial recognition system that works autonomously.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Of course! How can they know is the question. AI is really good at helping you in certain games and can give you advice on how likely you are to win when you're gambling. But you should know that these games are mostly based on luck. The choices you make are still up to you and even with AI's help luck is a big factor in how things turn out.

If and when we are talking about skill-based games, then introducing Ai might be of help and may help in increasing the gamblers chances of winning, as long as the game in question is a game is already implemented in the system of the Ai.
But when it comes to luck-based games, Ai can only advice, just as you have said, and that advice may center only on responsible gambling since the Ai will advise on how not to bet what you can't afford to lose, how not to gamble too much, how to know when to stop and so on and so, in the end of it all, winning or losing in such game have absolutely nothing to do with the Ai, but everything to do with how good a luck the gambler has on his or her side.

So yeah, you are right and I agree with everything you have said.
But also at some point, the AI may not even be able to analyze the game even if they be implemented such as a poker game which requires skill,  there is no way AI can be configured to match up with the gambling system and I don't think any gambler that employs the service of an AI bot into games will run unto troubles along the line,  and much more also there be a need for AI help then it is limited to making just analysis of the game and giving the gambler some insight into the game and what they be up against based in possibilities.

But anything other than that will not work,  and we should stop imagining their possibilities and let casinos worry less about them since we already know that AI is just a complementary tool to human efforts and can't survive without human control.
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Computers were designed to solve complex problems faster than humans. At some point, we can say that computers were designed to beat humans but it I can't agree with you on AIs. AIs were designed to change humans because as you see, there is an active talk about driver-free taxis, robot workers and etc.
Yes and that is how computer is designed to fast track human activities. Even at that computer (Robot) knowledge of still limited and can not compare to humans. Human brain is Natural and think wider than the human created computers. Really the AI machine is very much intelligent and it is very fast with it responses. But I still saw a very big limitation because there was a question I asked ChatGTP (AI) and it could not tell me the answer. And I believed the matter what human beings can give the answer even it is not exact one but related one can come out.
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Hey @LUCKMCFLY, to your point about AI being developed to improve human life, I absolutely agree. It's not just about taking jobs away but also about creating new opportunities for growth, learning, and even creating a safer gambling environment.
For example, simulation platforms like https://app.simstudio.io/login are already helping players refine their strategies without putting real money on the line. It's a way to use AI for skill development, rather than as a tool for exploiting game mechanics.
I also concur that any attempt to use AI for unfair advantages would most likely result in account bans and could be flagged across multiple platforms.

That's right, I have always said that things when it comes to AI are pretty good and sometimes it can be gloomy. A few days ago I was watching a movie that was like from China, it was about AI, I couldn't watch it in its entirety because I had a lot of sleep, but if when the movie started they were giving as a kind of story where AI was represented as something ancient, going back to these years, where it showed the advances of robots and many other things, then as things were happening, and progressing because everything was becoming more perfect, where robots helped people, operated, measurement was advancing, and that was something that pleased me, then the robots were the police, even the authorities were the AI , until one day the AI trobots began to attack with nuclear bombs and all this, of course it was a movie, but I do not rule out that all this is going to happen in that way, because as a human being, man marvels at the advances that has achieved and neglects the most basic things in life.

So when a person is in these times, you have to learn and see that things cannot happen just like that, a lot of emphasis must be placed that things must go in the right direction, you know that currently an AI was made a simulation where that machine or AI robot was supposedly under the command of the world and wiped out all of humanity, then he apologized, not because in that simulation he activated nuclear bombs and all that, so that's something that anyone can't leave So lightly, in this world we cannot give priority to things that have almost no hierarchy and not marvel so much.
or with things that we shouldn't, because creating a robot's conscience will see many inconsistencies, it will fail to recognize details of wars, unjust things and they will want to make justice that it did to us at that moment, then that can trigger a chain reaction Of course I'm talking about AI advancing a lot, another thing is in casinos, which will obviously be very easy when AI is advanced.

It cant be denied, can it? The part AI plays in our modern world is both amazing and scary, as you said. The movie you referenced isnt real, but it has some disturbing similarities with predictions about AI's unchecked growth. Okay, so AI in online games.... An easy way for computers to understand how people think and act by using trends to make sure the house wins most of the time. Some might say its not really a problem, but I think its a clear example of what happens when we depend too much on high-tech gadgets.

Your point about how the search for better AI might make people forget about basic human values is right on the mark. It is very important to remember where we came from and not let these amazing things blind us to the risks that come with them. Not being against growth is not the point; the point is to move forward carefully.


What many do not know is that for now the AI is doing its part well, which is to impress people, many things can be supplanted, even some Jobs , some no longer hire engineers, because the AI itself can do programming in seconds and you can solve some problems, of course the database is a little deeper, I don't know if AI gets there, but it's Predictable, so it's not something I like very much, because every person who studies and Prepares doesn't It can be Replaced by an AI , of Course the database in AI is somewhat more complicated, I don't know if an AI can do work that has to do with that, however I would think that things can be seen from a point of view where it is already If we have to be careful, it is obvious that robots will be created so that they can help Humans , in fact they are already creating it, I am not Saying anything with those robots that can perform brain operations, hands that are the most complicated and that require a perfect pulse.

I say that AI is one of the ways to improve certain processes, like those, that seems great to me, but of Course , I am one of those who thinks that science fiction movies are somehow not prepared with some mechanisms that are very obvious, so I cannot rule out that a scenario like this happens, it is something that can be very counterproductive, because the devs can go on and on making robots aware, and of course, in humanity many things are working and not wrong, in itself, the AI is made to help and improve processes that many humans cannot do, much less improve due to their degree of complexity, but basically what they can do if they put their mind to it, giving it some awareness is a lot, something that is futuristic. , science fiction is those who have seen the Loki series, an AI appears that knows everything, and that Goes at any time, of course that is what the plot of the series is about, but they show an AI that is highly developed.

Undoubtedly, it is important to examine AI's spread throughout several industries, including job displacement. Concerns regarding the future of human employment are raised by AI's ability to complete jobs quickly - sometimes even surpassing the performance of engineers. It is interesting to consider if AI will eventually be able to reach complex databases. Though the degree of AI's powers is still up for debate, it is known to elevate and optimize processes. Will artificial intelligence continue to progress so quickly that situations that go beyond simple support and toward autonomy develop?

Your comparison of science fiction and AI is intriguing. These stories typically introduce problems with awareness and consciousness, while also amplifying the powers of AI. Stories like these act as warnings, implying that unanticipated effects could arise from the unbridled development of AI. In order to prevent AI from unintentionally undermining human duties and responsibilities, even as it streamlines operations, great caution must be exercised in this area.

Well, I could say that this AI thing can happen in different ways, you could say that it has quite a reach when we are talking about these things, of course there can be many things that influence when it comes to how to make a couple that can be with a better progress, and yes, the progress in this is fast, and many opinions of people have even made movies where they do not encourage scientists and programmers to continue advancing on this topic, which is a bad idea, I don't know, it could be Maybe it is good at some things and bad at others, in terms of medicine and things like that, to develop improvements for health that advance as much as possible, but when it comes to offering great things and advances, no It's very nice, because the human being by nature is magnified and amazed by the things he can do and develop and so much so that we can forget that if you put some consciousness into a robot, it can be responsible for fixing many things and can activate actions that They can even win wars.

And it's not that it's so exaggerated, but right now AI is in a Beta mode, where robots and different ways of doing things are being made much better, but I think it's still missing because I understand from what I've read that AIs still get involved and do their searches on the Internet and this is something that cannot be, because on the Internet I do not know what type of filters they can use, and that is something that will always be noticed, so in this order of ideas we could think that things are necessary to do well so that they have a Better way of seeing the life of the human being , but a robot , you cannot put feelings or conscience into it, it is impossible, because it already has some things that the Human being does not It can Recreate the growth of God, and even so the advances can be very great but it must be considered that there are always ways to put a brake on everything and not let it advance so as not to put it in danger.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Of course! How can they know is the question. AI is really good at helping you in certain games and can give you advice on how likely you are to win when you're gambling. But you should know that these games are mostly based on luck. The choices you make are still up to you and even with AI's help luck is a big factor in how things turn out.

If and when we are talking about skill-based games, then introducing Ai might be of help and may help in increasing the gamblers chances of winning, as long as the game in question is a game is already implemented in the system of the Ai.
But when it comes to luck-based games, Ai can only advice, just as you have said, and that advice may center only on responsible gambling since the Ai will advise on how not to bet what you can't afford to lose, how not to gamble too much, how to know when to stop and so on and so, in the end of it all, winning or losing in such game have absolutely nothing to do with the Ai, but everything to do with how good a luck the gambler have on his or her side.

So yeah, you are right and i agree with everything you have said.
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So when AI (or a human player) is "good" in Poker, it means it makes more money than it loses. So not only would the AI be able to chose a proper strategy, i.e. knowing when to call/fold/or raise, but it could be much better at analysing human players' style (especially when historical games' data is available) then people.

Well said.

I suppose that the limitation would be reading the other player based on their actions. On one hand, it could additionally consider the probability of other players hands and play accordingly. On the other hand, it might not take this into account.

Sure, AI can determine the probability of its own hand and (maybe) bet accordingly...though I am sure this would require quite a lot of training. i doubt you could just plug and play with chat gpt.

Bet sizing, hand probability, opponent bet sizing/hand probability, etc. Are all things to consider.

How the AI acts would also be somewhat static, maybe even predictable as it follows the same parameters for each hand.

The more it's thought about, the more complex success in using ai for poker would actually be. Definitely easier said than done!

Well that can be done when a player is on-site example like in vegas so the AI can detect faces of humans and etc. but when the player is online it is still need more input than raise and fold in my opinion because when you play poker online your enemy is anon secondly dealer can cheat on you and there is also bluff from other enemy right.

So it is yes need a lot of training but i still doubt that the AI is gonna win all the time. Just like trading Market trend is hard to predict when there is something like news etc.

the AI maybe can predict game like Slot in my opinion
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Even before the invention of AI technologies, computers were designed to beat humans and they did it.
AI aren't designed to beat humans but they were designed to make it feel like you would have a chance to beat them.
Computers were designed to solve complex problems faster than humans. At some point, we can say that computers were designed to beat humans but it I can't agree with you on AIs. AIs were designed to change humans because as you see, there is an active talk about driver-free taxis, robot workers and etc.

AI systems can process multiple equations in a second without any emotional interference which gives them advantage over humans. As a human you can process more equations than cpus but your emotions will keep you behind.
I think that AIs will beat majority of poker gamblers because it will be able to calulate and make better decisions unlikely humans but those who are real professionals, will beat AI because poker involves not only calculation but luck and experience plays a major role, professionals will be able to fool AIs but long-term, if professional plays with AI nonstop for hours and AI is able to learn their beavior, then AI will probably beat them but it's only a guess. AI's role is bigger in games like Chess because it involves only mathematical calculations.


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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Of course! How can they know is the question. AI is really good at helping you in certain games and can give you advice on how likely you are to win when you're gambling. But you should know that these games are mostly based on luck. The choices you make are still up to you and even with AI's help luck is a big factor in how things turn out.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Is stil 50.50 or I am Missing something here?

It's true that the AI doesn't know anymore cards than we do, we only have our own 2 cards and the 5 community cards which we share with all the other players. This doesn't mean that the odds are 50.50, because we also know that the other players don't have our 2 cards. For example, we have 2 hearts on hand and the community cards have 5 hearts, then 7 out of 13 hearts are already used and can't be held by other players. This make it much more likely for others to not hold hearts themselves and if we have a higher card than the community cards we should have in most cases the highest flush. There are a lot of mathematics behind poker which tells us the optimal play. AI should be able to make these calculations much faster and in larger scale. So a human could be fine to play optimal on 1-4 tables at the time, whereas a AI could run a lot of more tables. Which would mean using our own time to play poker is not optimal anymore.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Is stil 50.50 or I am Missing something here?

Poker is a game of skill and is not based on pure lack. It's not like you go all-in before the hands are dealt, if you have a weak hand, you can just fold and wait for the next one. If it was a 50/50 game, we wouldn't need cards at all, they could be replaced by a coin.
So when AI (or a human player) is "good" in Poker, it means it makes more money than it loses. So not only would the AI be able to chose a proper strategy, i.e. knowing when to call/fold/or raise, but it could be much better at analysing human players' style (especially when historical games' data is available) then people.

Well said.

I suppose that the limitation would be reading the other player based on their actions. On one hand, it could additionally consider the probability of other players hands and play accordingly. On the other hand, it might not take this into account.

Sure, AI can determine the probability of its own hand and (maybe) bet accordingly...though I am sure this would require quite a lot of training. i doubt you could just plug and play with chat gpt.

Bet sizing, hand probability, opponent bet sizing/hand probability, etc. Are all things to consider.

How the AI acts would also be somewhat static, maybe even predictable as it follows the same parameters for each hand.

The more it's thought about, the more complex success in using ai for poker would actually be. Definitely easier said than done!
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know the card from the dealer card right?

Is it still 50.50 or I am Missing something here?

Poker is a game of skill and is not based on pure lack. It's not like you go all-in before the hands are dealt, if you have a weak hand, you can just fold and wait for the next one. If it was a 50/50 game, we wouldn't need cards at all, they could be replaced by a coin.
So when AI (or a human player) is "good" in Poker, it means it makes more money than it loses. So not only would the AI be able to choose a proper strategy, i.e. knowing when to call/fold/or raise, but it could be much better at analysing human players' style (especially when historical games' data is available) than people.
This is the reason why poker can not be easily controlled by an AI to aid winning,  and such as that we have to place some level of expectations and realization of the reality of what AI can do with pokers,  based on the fact that poker is a skills game as such games can not be manipulated by just have analysis of past just like AI uses to make their forecast of the games.

Poker also is much more of a less luck-based game because most of the time poker has to follow a pattern and skills application that requires the player to take some actions while playing the game at some point.
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Is stil 50.50 or I am Missing something here?
It's fairly easy even the AI doesn't know the card, you don't even have to use an AI as traditional programming might be able to help you with this one, if you can find a programmer that can create a card counting scheme that keeps track of the cards that's been used in the deck by the dealer and by the player, you can just deduce the possible cards that the other players are holding depending on the card count but that's not a guaranteed win as there's always that possibility that the other players will win plus in poker, you can bluff your way to intimidate your opponents and the AI can't keep track of the players' cards that have folded pre-flop so it's still not that good but if you really want to cheat in poker, why not just coerce the dealer?
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I'm late to respond this but even tho AI is good when play a certain game but they didn't know card from the dealer card right?

Is stil 50.50 or I am Missing something here?

Poker is a game of skill and is not based on pure lack. It's not like you go all-in before the hands are dealt, if you have a weak hand, you can just fold and wait for the next one. If it was a 50/50 game, we wouldn't need cards at all, they could be replaced by a coin.
So when AI (or a human player) is "good" in Poker, it means it makes more money than it loses. So not only would the AI be able to chose a proper strategy, i.e. knowing when to call/fold/or raise, but it could be much better at analysing human players' style (especially when historical games' data is available) then people.
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Even before the invention of AI technologies, computers were designed to beat humans and they did it.
AI aren't designed to beat humans but they were designed to make it feel like you would have a chance to beat them.
AI systems can process multiple equations in a second without any emotional interference which gives them advantage over humans. As a human you can process more equations than cpus but your emotions will keep you behind.

I think some AIs are designed to beat humans such as in chess or in other games, there are many cases in which the computers clearly beat the masters and others in which they can defeat 90% of the players out there such as chess. I would not think that it cannot be the case with many other games and poker let's not forget, is a game with an important math element to it.
I think that if we really take into account the ability of AI to build probable models based on the analysis of enemy cards, then these indicators are of course extremely high and the probability of a correct prediction for AI is certainly higher than for a person.  This is naturally an element that contributes to the AI ​​winning a poker game.  However, if AI, through a video surveillance system and some other sensors, can see the face and hands of a human opponent, then based on pre-collected databases, AI will also be able to determine the likelihood of a bluff quite well.  But this, of course, only applies to playing in a physical casino.  And then the AI ​​becomes a formidable and powerful opponent for the human player.  Also because a person is completely deprived of the ability to determine whether the AI ​​is bluffing or not. 
Here the AI ​​has a clear advantage in the game.
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