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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on May 08, 2023, 09:51:46 AM

Quote from: Peanutswar on May 08, 2023, 09:33:28 AM

I'm always using the chatgpt for my programming purpose and some of the people seeking a guru of gambling they found out that the chatgpt can provide a number of information to them for their gambling activity but even the chatgpt does not agree for the gambling purpose of the chatgpt, seems like the developers too knows the mindset of the people just want to beat the system itself.

This is great to know, I personally have been of the opinion that there is no way ChatGPT will become a threat to gambling casinos, if at all it has the potential to become, I believe casinos will begin from now to start finding ways around it, but here, we see some casinos even implementing the Ai to serve as a customer support, this should point to us that the Ai is not and likely will never be a threat to gambling casinos or any type of gambling game.

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People who keep updated with the trend, and knowledge will take the advantage to conquer something or to be a head to others, people recently become dependent with these tools and become less skilled than they are before.

You are very right, Ai, robots etc, will all make humans lazier than ever before, it's just like what the internet, smart phones and computers have done to students of this days, most students perform really bad in theory/practical examinations because majority of them have gotten addicted to google and other search engines for answers to their questions, and have totally dumped the previous method of we having to find answers to questions ourselves, most especially in maths.

Gambling requires skills and a good understanding of the game? There is no game on any online casinos that you can have a good understanding about because it all still depends on your luck, there is nothing to study here, just hope for luck and use a small amount of money, AI answer seems wrong to me, how mamy games on an online casino that requires skills? They are very limited compared to those that are 100% about luck.

The only way that AI can be useful for humans is to limit it's capabilities, if not, many people will go out of job and end up on the streets, and many families will break because the husbands won't be able to fulfill their responsibilities, AI will take over every jobs out there, if AI is limited even students won't be able to pass their exams using AI because it will be revealed that AI created or answered all the questions, the same way that those using AI like chatGPT to create posts on the forum are busted.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 08, 2023, 06:43:29 PM

This is a tool that is still in the development stage and we have not even seen anything from it because when it is finally developed, it is going to create a lot of havoc and problems to so many people. We might be enjoying the use now but this might cause more havoc to us in the future than good.

I think that many people have check it and they all serve it as well and also know the the functional importance of it maybe if it is not important I don't think that many people or people who put it in writing for others to know about we can discuss of each will bring it to the public their own suggestion

Several years have passed since individual scientists in the field of creating AI and just smart people guessed that AI can certainly pose a certain threat to human civilization. Even, if I'm not mistaken, either in the UK, or in the USA, they have already organized a special research center - the AI Protection Institute.
Now everyone is used to getting all the information from the Internet using search engines, Wikipedia and so on. However, it seems to me that a somewhat different process of clarifying information will gradually go on. The opposite process is when a person begins to be critical of what he read on the screen of a computer or mobile phone, or heard in a lecture recorded on YouTube. We are all used to intrusive and completely false advertising, and no one takes seriously the advantages of various goods and services that are shown to us for 1 minute under beautiful pictures. Here, people are immune to false information.

I think over time people will develop the same immunity to information from the Internet in general.
This will in particular limit the ambitions of AI.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 08, 2023, 06:43:29 PM

This is a tool that is still in the development stage and we have not even seen anything from it because when it is finally developed, it is going to create a lot of havoc and problems to so many people. We might be enjoying the use now but this might cause more havoc to us in the future than good.

I think that many people have check it and they all serve it as well and also know the the functional importance of it maybe if it is not important I don't think that many people or people who put it in writing for others to know about we can discuss of each will bring it to the public their own suggestion

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This is a tool that is still in the development stage and we have not even seen anything from it because when it is finally developed, it is going to create a lot of havoc and problems to so many people. We might be enjoying the use now but this might cause more havoc to us in the future than good.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on May 08, 2023, 09:33:28 AM

I'm always using the chatgpt for my programming purpose and some of the people seeking a guru of gambling they found out that the chatgpt can provide a number of information to them for their gambling activity but even the chatgpt does not agree for the gambling purpose of the chatgpt, seems like the developers too knows the mindset of the people just want to beat the system itself.

This is great to know, I personally have been of the opinion that there is no way ChatGPT will become a threat to gambling casinos, if at all it has the potential to become, I believe casinos will begin from now to start finding ways around it, but here, we see some casinos even implementing the Ai to serve as a customer support, this should point to us that the Ai is not and likely will never be a threat to gambling casinos or any type of gambling game.

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People who keep updated with the trend, and knowledge will take the advantage to conquer something or to be a head to others, people recently become dependent with these tools and become less skilled than they are before.

You are very right, Ai, robots etc, will all make humans lazier than ever before, it's just like what the internet, smart phones and computers have done to students of this days, most students perform really bad in theory/practical examinations because majority of them have gotten addicted to google and other search engines for answers to their questions, and have totally dumped the previous method of we having to find answers to questions ourselves, most especially in maths.

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Quote from: uneng on May 07, 2023, 12:53:56 PM

Quote from: Peanutswar on May 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM

People are giving too much exaggeration with the ChatGPT that's why it looks like can beat the system, this tool can be used to gather data this data will now serve as an ideal to make a decision what are the possible strategy you would like to take a risk for defeating your opponent and the game itself. But of course, those are the statistics and probability to get winning but stating you could win every game seems far from reality. Get Information, gather the data, execute the analysis, play the game and get some luck.

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As we can see, there is nothing guaranteed. It doen't give certain movements towards victory, because there are many variables, which are obvious by the usage of words such as "it's possible", "let's say" and "if" by the AI. Everything is hypothetical because we don't know (including AI) what cards other players have on their hands.

I'm always using the chatgpt for my programming purpose and some of the people seeking a guru of gambling they found out that the chatgpt can provide a number of information to them for their gambling activity but even the chatgpt does not agree for the gambling purpose of the chatgpt, seems like the developers too knows the mindset of the people just want to beat the system itself.

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Quote from: Betwrong on May 07, 2023, 03:38:35 AM

From what I know, AI could beat good poker players long before ChatGPT was introduced. But it was able to start beating human players only after playing many games with them, particular players, at the same table. There's no universal formula for that. Imo, if you analyze the moves of great poker players and play accordingly, you'll do maybe a bit better than poker bots, but still not that good to be winning most of the time. Winning poker strategies change with time, and those guys best in the field change their style too. Maybe one day AI will be able to do that too, but at the moment it is not superior to good human players.

Without AI I should also be able to beat other players to play poker because I am talented at playing online poker but not against poker machines, sophisticated technology does not mean that making poker games easy to beat with AI but only to analyze how the opponent plays so that they are easy to beat does not mean defeating .

I think people are overusing this technology, even for online poker gambling games. Obviously, this is something that doesn't need to be done, in my opinion. use AI wisely to do a great job besides gambling which can benefit yourself and many people.

- Actually, even though there is no AI yet, there are many people who play online poker, and there are many people who enjoy it,
so it means that we can still survive even without the AI.

Whoever created that AI is really just taking advantage of the opportunity for it to make noise and show what good it can do to help gamblers from what I've observed. And I also think that others also think that by using AI they can easily beat poker players, that's how I see it.

People who keep updated with the trend, and knowledge will take the advantage to conquer something or to be a head to others, people recently become dependent with these tools and become less skilled than they are before.

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Quote from: Yogee on May 07, 2023, 09:55:41 PM

Someone have already pointed out over-reliance on the technology to come up with the best possible strategy based on percentages or probabilities so this means it's the player that could possibly get destroyed and not the game itself. Sure they can use AI tools for convenience but what if the players does the same? Will it become AI vs AI? Online poker will remain as is but it's the players who don't improve their skills that will remain stagnant.

I am still not convinced that AI is going to take over the poker world. There might some people who can make it work to have AI assisted online poker games, but once the majority is going to use it the casinos will likely ban. Because if the use of AI would be allowed it comes down to AI VS AI games and who has the best software and hardware. The individual player skill is not important anymore, it's all about having the strongest AI with the best computer. Another thing is that most online poker players are playing multiple tables at once to increase their hourly profit. With the use of AI the number of possible tables it could play at once increases a lot. A super computer might be able to play a 100 tables at once which is insane if every table you join the same guys are already sitting there.

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 07, 2023, 08:06:08 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on May 07, 2023, 03:38:35 AM

From what I know, AI could beat good poker players long before ChatGPT was introduced. But it was able to start beating human players only after playing many games with them, particular players, at the same table. There's no universal formula for that. Imo, if you analyze the moves of great poker players and play accordingly, you'll do maybe a bit better than poker bots, but still not that good to be winning most of the time. Winning poker strategies change with time, and those guys best in the field change their style too. Maybe one day AI will be able to do that too, but at the moment it is not superior to good human players.

Without AI I should also be able to beat other players to play poker because I am talented at playing online poker but not against poker machines, sophisticated technology does not mean that making poker games easy to beat with AI but only to analyze how the opponent plays so that they are easy to beat does not mean defeating .

I think people are overusing this technology, even for online poker gambling games. Obviously, this is something that doesn't need to be done, in my opinion. use AI wisely to do a great job besides gambling which can benefit yourself and many people.

- Actually, even though there is no AI yet, there are many people who play online poker, and there are many people who enjoy it,
so it means that we can still survive even without the AI.

Whoever created that AI is really just taking advantage of the opportunity for it to make noise and show what good it can do to help gamblers from what I've observed. And I also think that others also think that by using AI they can easily beat poker players, that's how I see it.

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Someone have already pointed out over-reliance on the technology to come up with the best possible strategy based on percentages or probabilities so this means it's the player that could possibly get destroyed and not the game itself. Sure they can use AI tools for convenience but what if the players does the same? Will it become AI vs AI? Online poker will remain as is but it's the players who don't improve their skills that will remain stagnant.

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Quote from: harizen on May 07, 2023, 07:53:12 PM

Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2023, 07:24:09 PM

In short Chatgpt only advises a player for possible moves but not directly instructing the player to do this and that. It is still the human player who decide the action to make. With this, Chatgtp us far from dominating poker online games let alone destroying.

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Honestly, it's even more confusing to rely on the AI's recommendations. If a player is skilled enough, the best strategy will only be made by them.

That is why most of the times I assume that those interested in using Artificial intelligence to bet or play card games are rather inexperienced people who think that they can make a quick buck out of the advance of this new technology.

I personally would rather to practice poker and become better through time by myself than asking a computer what to do each time I am supposed to do a move. Does not make much sense and it kinda kills the excitement behind the game.

There could be a occasion some newbie actually draws a very good hand which could guarantee him to win the round and yet he would not realize without assistance. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 07, 2023, 07:24:09 PM

In short Chatgpt only advises a player for possible moves but not directly instructing the player to do this and that. It is still the human player who decide the action to make. With this, Chatgtp us far from dominating poker online games let alone destroying.

We can compare this to a sport where a coach is giving advice to its players. When a player returns to the actual situation, those given advice will depend on the given situation. In other words, there are lots of "what if" here.

Let's say Chat GTP gives recommendations, other players on the table surely have their own respective strategies, and in the end, still nothing changes, the game is still a skill-based game and Chat GPT has nothing to do about ruining the overall gameplay of online poker.

Honestly, it's even more confusing to rely on the AI's recommendations. If a player is skilled enough, the best strategy will only be made by them.

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Quote from: uneng on May 07, 2023, 12:53:56 PM

Quote from: Peanutswar on May 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM

People are giving too much exaggeration with the ChatGPT that's why it looks like can beat the system, this tool can be used to gather data this data will now serve as an ideal to make a decision what are the possible strategy you would like to take a risk for defeating your opponent and the game itself. But of course, those are the statistics and probability to get winning but stating you could win every game seems far from reality. Get Information, gather the data, execute the analysis, play the game and get some luck.

Yes, the bot can be useful as an advisor, but it's not a fortune teller, anyway. Let's check an example of how ChatGPT assists players during a poker game:

As we can see, there is nothing guaranteed. It doen't give certain movements towards victory, because there are many variables, which are obvious by the usage of words such as "it's possible", "let's say" and "if" by the AI. Everything is hypothetical because we don't know (including AI) what cards other players have on their hands.

In short Chatgpt only advises a player for possible moves but not directly instructing the player to do this and that. It is still the human player who decide the action to make. With this, Chatgtp us far from dominating poker online games let alone destroying.

Ai are just a program created by man and it will never outperform the function of a human brain, especially in adopting in certain situations since AI has limited option.

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Quote from: danadc on May 07, 2023, 02:32:28 PM

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I wonder, how will casinos do with these AI?

Most of the casino games is AI proof because they are luck based. There’s no way for an AI to dominate a slot games and table games since winning this game requires extreme luck to win. Only chess and other skill based game is what AI can dominate because of its computing skills.

While poker on the other is game that can’t be easily dominated by an AI because all it can do is to calculate the winning percentage of the hand which means AI will always stand whenever he has a bad hand that is below the setup winning percentage.

Having AI run your predictions for you by calculating the winning odds to a call would be some means to cheat and that would mean trouble for gamblers and casinos alike.
Of course there would be means to guide against this as terms would be in place to advice and regulate how AIs could be, if allowed at all, used in gambling and having them aid you in making the calls won't be an option go consider.

Even more so, it doesn't stop the casino gambling industry from being based on luck and trying to have AI infiltrate any casino would be a criminal offence.

Is this chat gpt that great. I really can't say because, am not giving it much attention although, on and off forum, it's always been talked about eventually.

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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

I never take Chat GPt seriously. Because this chat GPT can never give you accurate information. Many people may have expressed many comments about this chat gpt but I will never say that this chat gpt can bring benefits for me. You will never get a perfect solution using it, especially on casino platforms. Maybe you can find information here for other jobs but it may not be accurate. Your comments and luck will always be taken more seriously on the casino platform as this chat gpt can never reveal the luck and comments inside your mind.

People are giving too much exaggeration with the ChatGPT that's why it looks like can beat the system, this tool can be used to gather data this data will now serve as an ideal to make a decision what are the possible strategy you would like to take a risk for defeating your opponent and the game itself. But of course, those are the statistics and probability to get winning but stating you could win every game seems far from reality. Get Information, gather the data, execute the analysis, play the game and get some luck.

We don't really hold each other's minds, so we probably can't blame them when it comes to situations like this. Honestly, in other things and providing knowledge, chatgpt can still help, and there is no doubt about this.

There is only a dispute when it comes to gambling because others say that it is harder to beat a player who uses emotions than a player who has no emotions. Of course, what is input to the data of an AI is the only thing he will do and output.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on May 06, 2023, 07:44:01 PM

though it is not yet alarming in online poker, we can't be so sure in the near future how AI will influence this type of game. and i guess, casinos and bookies are not just relaxing from all these developments. they are also on the lookout for the new technologies out there.

It is quite hard to tell what the future hold. But it is also hard to know if this does exist today. Maybe someone smart enough has already figured it out and using it already. And as this could be a very small amount of user like 4-5 people able to use it, then it will be near to impossible to find them. We can only know for sure when it's only being used in huge numbers. Otherwise, we can easily overlook something like this in gambling as a pure luck. I don't know what other's will thought about this. But it's quite possible to exist in the present.

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Quote from: danadc on May 07, 2023, 02:32:28 PM

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I wonder, how will casinos do with these AI?

Most of the casino games is AI proof because they are luck based. There’s no way for an AI to dominate a slot games and table games since winning this game requires extreme luck to win. Only chess and other skill based game is what AI can dominate because of its computing skills.

While poker on the other is game that can’t be easily dominated by an AI because all it can do is to calculate the winning percentage of the hand which means AI will always stand whenever he has a bad hand that is below the setup winning percentage.

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Quote from: South Park on May 05, 2023, 03:02:59 PM

It is not possible for ChatGPT to do this because as its name implies, it is an AI which specializes in generating readable text, however an AI which specializes in playing poker can do this very easily, AIs which can play most boardgames have been created already and they are very good, so anyone which knows by heart the algorithms being used to create those AIs and they are good poker players themselves could in theory create an AI which could easily beat the average poker player.

I don't think that it is an easy job to create a tool or an AI model that can effectively play poker or any card game with a good percentage of accuracy since it is not an easy job to create an algorithm that can contain almost all the existing hands that are ever played in poker or that can be generated so that the model can memorize and act upon that.

Playing board games is a different thing altogether, there is a limited amount of moves that can be used in a board game like Chess, which isn't so difficult for a bot to remember and an expert developer can easily create an algorithm like that.

Everything about AI is possible that it can play poker, chess, any game as if it were a master, they cannot deny that, another thing is that Chatgpt is programmed not to be used for that function, but they can very well Yes, there are many who work on the prediction AI, and play at incredible levels but are not released, although they should not have a high success rate, but it is a fact that these things are going to come out and that they will be a threat to casinos. I wonder, how will casinos do with these AI?

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Quote from: piebeyb on May 07, 2023, 08:06:08 AM

I think people are overusing this technology, even for online poker gambling games. Obviously, this is something that doesn't need to be done, in my opinion. use AI wisely to do a great job besides gambling which can benefit yourself and many people.

The problem is that most people in this world do whatever it takes to earn money(Selling themselves, selling organs, working multiple jobs etc). They don't care about right/wrong as long as they can earn money(Ex: 1xbit advertisers).

This is why the majority of the population will definitely try to use AI to earn money without caring about right/wrong.

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Quote from: South Park on May 05, 2023, 03:02:59 PM

It is not possible for ChatGPT to do this because as its name implies, it is an AI which specializes in generating readable text, however an AI which specializes in playing poker can do this very easily, AIs which can play most boardgames have been created already and they are very good, so anyone which knows by heart the algorithms being used to create those AIs and they are good poker players themselves could in theory create an AI which could easily beat the average poker player.

I don't think that it is an easy job to create a tool or an AI model that can effectively play poker or any card game with a good percentage of accuracy since it is not an easy job to create an algorithm that can contain almost all the existing hands that are ever played in poker or that can be generated so that the model can memorize and act upon that.

Playing board games is a different thing altogether, there is a limited amount of moves that can be used in a board game like Chess, which isn't so difficult for a bot to remember and an expert developer can easily create an algorithm like that.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on May 07, 2023, 09:19:13 AM

People are giving too much exaggeration with the ChatGPT that's why it looks like can beat the system, this tool can be used to gather data this data will now serve as an ideal to make a decision what are the possible strategy you would like to take a risk for defeating your opponent and the game itself. But of course, those are the statistics and probability to get winning but stating you could win every game seems far from reality. Get Information, gather the data, execute the analysis, play the game and get some luck.

Yes, the bot can be useful as an advisor, but it's not a fortune teller, anyway. Let's check an example of how ChatGPT assists players during a poker game:

As we can see, there is nothing guaranteed. It doen't give certain movements towards victory, because there are many variables, which are obvious by the usage of words such as "it's possible", "let's say" and "if" by the AI. Everything is hypothetical because we don't know (including AI) what cards other players have on their hands.

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