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Quote from: suzanne5223 on May 14, 2023, 02:48:05 PM

Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.

We can't blame some people for overhyping the capabilities of ChatGPT, but who knows in the near future it will have more capabilities than we'll ever know.
This is why gambling sites should always be updated in terms of the developments of AI tech because it can easily ruin their business.
Though as of now, it is not yet alarming as the capability is still very limited but we can't just sit and relax on this matter.
They can do so much for an AI, so these developers are still continuously innovating so there's always possibility that they can mimic or surpass the intelligence of human gamblers.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on May 14, 2023, 02:48:05 PM

Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.

They have to act now before the AI takes over, we know how aggressive the developers nowadays since those who gets ahead will surely get majority in the market. AI might be able to hit the public in the future, most probably regulations are the only thing to stop this and saves many industries from dumping. The hype is there and the fud as well, but with regards to our future with AI, I think there’s still a big questions for this.

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Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.

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From what I know, AI could beat good poker players long before ChatGPT was introduced. But it was able to start beating human players only after playing many games with them, particular players, at the same table. There's no universal formula for that. Imo, if you analyze the moves of great poker players and play accordingly, you'll do maybe a bit better than poker bots, but still not that good to be winning most of the time. Winning poker strategies change with time, and those guys best in the field change their style too. Maybe one day AI will be able to do that too, but at the moment it is not superior to good human players.

Without AI I should also be able to beat other players to play poker because I am talented at playing online poker but not against poker machines, sophisticated technology does not mean that making poker games easy to beat with AI but only to analyze how the opponent plays so that they are easy to beat does not mean defeating .

I think people are overusing this technology, even for online poker gambling games. Obviously, this is something that doesn't need to be done, in my opinion. use AI wisely to do a great job besides gambling which can benefit yourself and many people.

I imagine soon enough we'll be explaining our failures in poker like "It was a f**king AI next to me at the table! You can't beat f**king AI, can ya?"

While in fact it was just a human player better than you.

Beating poker bots is easy, everybody knows that, and it's too expensive to employ an AI for it to learn your style and win your $50 in the end. The server costs won't be covered.

That's what I think regarding the current situation, but it can change in the near future.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 13, 2023, 06:41:26 AM

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Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

- That's correct, Chatgpt was created just like google search that what you want to know will only provide optional answers to the typed question. But it is not designed to beat the house edge on any casino gambling platform.

I don't know about others and they seem to believe that chatgpt can beat the house in the gambling platform which is not realistic. It's obvious that there is some deception in the community in this industry.

They need to know that even if chatgpt will later be used to beat the casinos, that doesn't mean the casinos won't do anything about it. Casinos will use AI technology to protect their business from people who also use AI. And if casinos can't keep up with technology, they won't be able to survive AI, even if it's the most popular casino. Every casino will try not to let those people win easily using AI and it looks like there will be a major update in the gambling business if AI has developed to the point where it can help gamblers to get information and choose their team.

An AI versus AI very possible to happen as business owners will not just let their business to be ruin just because of this new found ways to gain some advantages, I personally believe that AI will help you to analyze but not entirely help you in winning the game, there are always factors that influenced the outcome of the game.

Strategy game like poker depends on how you play with your cards. There are things that only human can execute and will
help them to get that edge against the players who are playing with them.

Moving to your statement, casino is business and protecting and always having that extra edge are what the priorities by
the house owners.

Even though AI can help with analysis, its implementation may still take time because developments in AI technology currently need to be more advanced. We've seen what this AI provides for a while, making us think it still needs many developers' touches to work properly. At least AI can provide information close to what we want.

Maybe there will still be gambling games that cannot use AI and require us as users to play. And casinos as a provider of venues, will always take good care of their business even though later AI is expected to be more advanced than now.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 13, 2023, 06:41:26 AM

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on May 13, 2023, 02:08:30 AM

Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

- That's correct, Chatgpt was created just like google search that what you want to know will only provide optional answers to the typed question. But it is not designed to beat the house edge on any casino gambling platform.

I don't know about others and they seem to believe that chatgpt can beat the house in the gambling platform which is not realistic. It's obvious that there is some deception in the community in this industry.

They need to know that even if chatgpt will later be used to beat the casinos, that doesn't mean the casinos won't do anything about it. Casinos will use AI technology to protect their business from people who also use AI. And if casinos can't keep up with technology, they won't be able to survive AI, even if it's the most popular casino. Every casino will try not to let those people win easily using AI and it looks like there will be a major update in the gambling business if AI has developed to the point where it can help gamblers to get information and choose their team.

An AI versus AI very possible to happen as business owners will not just let their business to be ruin just because of this new found ways to gain some advantages, I personally believe that AI will help you to analyze but not entirely help you in winning the game, there are always factors that influenced the outcome of the game.

Strategy game like poker depends on how you play with your cards. There are things that only human can execute and will
help them to get that edge against the players who are playing with them.

Moving to your statement, casino is business and protecting and always having that extra edge are what the priorities by
the house owners.

Because over large samples of bet the house always wins. That's the edge of the house and casinos. By the use of AIs those large samples will be easily analyze and criticize. It's already been using by many gambling sites but of course they do not rely on it solely. It only gives information relevant to come up to the house's own conviction.

It is true that AI integration can be both an advantage and a threat. An indeed double edge sword. It's still up to operator decision if how he will use AIs information to influence their winrate. AI will not affect the outcome neither can predict the future. But the information AI can give will help you to have edge to have better understanding and decision in betting and player cards of poker.

Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

And it is the fear endowed on us that keeps us to think negativities more than necessaries. That is why AIs really are can either break or make any kind of business.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on May 13, 2023, 06:32:10 AM

Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on May 13, 2023, 02:08:30 AM

Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

- That's correct, Chatgpt was created just like google search that what you want to know will only provide optional answers to the typed question. But it is not designed to beat the house edge on any casino gambling platform.

I don't know about others and they seem to believe that chatgpt can beat the house in the gambling platform which is not realistic. It's obvious that there is some deception in the community in this industry.

They need to know that even if chatgpt will later be used to beat the casinos, that doesn't mean the casinos won't do anything about it. Casinos will use AI technology to protect their business from people who also use AI. And if casinos can't keep up with technology, they won't be able to survive AI, even if it's the most popular casino. Every casino will try not to let those people win easily using AI and it looks like there will be a major update in the gambling business if AI has developed to the point where it can help gamblers to get information and choose their team.

An AI versus AI very possible to happen as business owners will not just let their business to be ruin just because of this new found ways to gain some advantages, I personally believe that AI will help you to analyze but not entirely help you in winning the game, there are always factors that influenced the outcome of the game.

Strategy game like poker depends on how you play with your cards. There are things that only human can execute and will
help them to get that edge against the players who are playing with them.

Moving to your statement, casino is business and protecting and always having that extra edge are what the priorities by
the house owners.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on May 13, 2023, 02:08:30 AM

Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

- That's correct, Chatgpt was created just like google search that what you want to know will only provide optional answers to the typed question. But it is not designed to beat the house edge on any casino gambling platform.

I don't know about others and they seem to believe that chatgpt can beat the house in the gambling platform which is not realistic. It's obvious that there is some deception in the community in this industry.

They need to know that even if chatgpt will later be used to beat the casinos, that doesn't mean the casinos won't do anything about it. Casinos will use AI technology to protect their business from people who also use AI. And if casinos can't keep up with technology, they won't be able to survive AI, even if it's the most popular casino. Every casino will try not to let those people win easily using AI and it looks like there will be a major update in the gambling business if AI has developed to the point where it can help gamblers to get information and choose their team.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 12, 2023, 03:34:13 PM

To study and predict in-game behaviors yes. But we all know that poker isn’t just about bluffing and folding or calling people out of their bluffs. It’s part of the game but that isn’t what necessarily wins it. It’s still having great cards and a better setup. With all these parameters to be predicted and detected over a large sample size I think ChatGPT will have a hard time being a reliable source of predictive information, especially in games like poker. With that being said it’s still possible, especially in future iterations of the AI LLM, but as it stands today even with GPT-4 levels I’d say it wouldn’t be up for this herculean task just considering the sample size it needs to derive usable data from. Not to mention the countless games as well as possible combinations, along with correlation to specific player behavior.

It is not possible for an AI model to even predict or detect the in-game behaviors of humans, calculating and determining the hand combinations is a very big thing for it, it is simply possible for it to keep a count of all the hands and combinations that can be made by someone and for it to detect which player has what kind of a hand.

We have not yet reached that far in technological advancements that an AI we have created should beat us in a game where only a human can be an expert because it involves reading in-game behaviors more than cards, etc.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

There are many variables involved in poker. It's not as easy as study a poker Pro and try winning against newer players. You could however, set a range of cards that the AI could play (playing tight) and try to win with that, but even that isn't easy as it seems. Bluffing could really mess the AI up amongst other things. Unlike chess, where AI has mastered the possible outcomes with perfect play, poker has extra elements to it with cards to come bring unknown and the tendency of a player in a multi player pot being unknown. AI could try, but I doubt it'll be successful on the long run. Maybe in heads up poker along with knowing tendencies of how the opponent usually plays his hands, there's a possibility that an AI could do much better than their human counterparts(only when AI can read all the previous outcomes and play style of the opponent). I'd be happy to be proven wrong though. I'm sure, AI will be able to do well in the future but I doubt that technology is in the hands of users rn. I'm sure some online poker lounges use bots to show that there are many players playing on their website and the websites could take advantage by knowing the possible cards to come but they'll eventually get caught for cheating.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

- That's correct, Chatgpt was created just like google search that what you want to know will only provide optional answers to the typed question. But it is not designed to beat the house edge on any casino gambling platform.

I don't know about others and they seem to believe that chatgpt can beat the house in the gambling platform which is not realistic. It's obvious that there is some deception in the community in this industry.

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The more I play with these various AI offerings the more I think it isn’t quite as amazing as advertised yet. You can see that it has gotten to the point where it is becoming useful, but much like self driving, I wouldn’t take my hands off the wheel just yet. Fairly certain any current implementation of AI being used to gamble would wind up with some unintended outcomes.

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I believe it can. I tried this for a while as an advisor while playing with bots. In some situations, this helped me quickly calculate the odds and make the right decision. Gotta to go back to his API one day, trying to build a poker bot...

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Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

You are correct and I completely agree with you, the current version of ChatGPT can't be used for anything relating to gambling, except asking and finding answers to some simple gambling questions and terms.

And personal though, I have not envisioned a future where Ai will play poker, or any other gambling games more than humans, if this ever happens, I think could end up as a threat to casinos, since some gamblers could use it to abuse the casino.

But before gamblers will use it to their games, the casino itself would have done some restrictions already.
They would not permit the use of AI in their system because that will surely ruin their business.
For now, ChatGPT has their limitations, as you said, only for asking and finding answers, not really to deploy it to your gambling activities.
If players are fast in discovering their potential capabilities, don't underestimate the casino owners because they are also on the lookout of these developments.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on May 12, 2023, 03:25:09 PM

Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

You are correct and I completely agree with you, the current version of ChatGPT can't be used for anything relating to gambling, except asking and finding answers to some simple gambling questions and terms.

And personal though, I have not envisioned a future where Ai will play poker, or any other gambling games more than humans, if this ever happens, I think could end up as a threat to casinos, since some gamblers could use it to abuse the casino.

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To study and predict in-game behaviors yes. But we all know that poker isn’t just about bluffing and folding or calling people out of their bluffs. It’s part of the game but that isn’t what necessarily wins it. It’s still having great cards and a better setup. With all these parameters to be predicted and detected over a large sample size I think ChatGPT will have a hard time being a reliable source of predictive information, especially in games like poker. With that being said it’s still possible, especially in future iterations of the AI LLM, but as it stands today even with GPT-4 levels I’d say it wouldn’t be up for this herculean task just considering the sample size it needs to derive usable data from. Not to mention the countless games as well as possible combinations, along with correlation to specific player behavior.

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Chat GPT was not created for gambling. Perhaps in the future the AI will be able to beat humans at poker. For example right now machines play chess better than humans. In chess, the AI can calculate combinations of moves. Gambling is quite the other thing. I think in the future humans will teach AI to calculate mathematically the best moves in poker.

Chat GPT can only teach how to play poker, but nothing more.

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That's definitely not a possibility real soon. There are many glitches in the language and the way ChatGPT works. Most of the time its answers are based on the open source texts available throughout the internet. Yes, it can access billions of texts, scramble them, rearrange, phrase them, correct and construct complex sentences, and give a fruitful output for the question that we asked.

I highly doubt that such AI would be capable of playing the poker game. Yes AI is very advanced tech right now, but you need to teach the AI, and its logic is formulated based on those learnings.

ChatGPT is not specific to playing games. There is just zero chance it may even be able to think stuff about it.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on May 08, 2023, 08:51:46 AM

Quote from: Peanutswar on May 08, 2023, 08:33:28 AM

I'm always using the chatgpt for my programming purpose and some of the people seeking a guru of gambling they found out that the chatgpt can provide a number of information to them for their gambling activity but even the chatgpt does not agree for the gambling purpose of the chatgpt, seems like the developers too knows the mindset of the people just want to beat the system itself.

This is great to know, I personally have been of the opinion that there is no way ChatGPT will become a threat to gambling casinos, if at all it has the potential to become, I believe casinos will begin from now to start finding ways around it, but here, we see some casinos even implementing the Ai to serve as a customer support, this should point to us that the Ai is not and likely will never be a threat to gambling casinos or any type of gambling game.

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People who keep updated with the trend, and knowledge will take the advantage to conquer something or to be a head to others, people recently become dependent with these tools and become less skilled than they are before.

You are very right, Ai, robots etc, will all make humans lazier than ever before, it's just like what the internet, smart phones and computers have done to students of this days, most students perform really bad in theory/practical examinations because majority of them have gotten addicted to google and other search engines for answers to their questions, and have totally dumped the previous method of we having to find answers to questions ourselves, most especially in maths.

Gambling requires skills and a good understanding of the game? There is no game on any online casinos that you can have a good understanding about because it all still depends on your luck, there is nothing to study here, just hope for luck and use a small amount of money, AI answer seems wrong to me, how mamy games on an online casino that requires skills? They are very limited compared to those that are 100% about luck.

The only way that AI can be useful for humans is to limit it's capabilities, if not, many people will go out of job and end up on the streets, and many families will break because the husbands won't be able to fulfill their responsibilities, AI will take over every jobs out there, if AI is limited even students won't be able to pass their exams using AI because it will be revealed that AI created or answered all the questions, the same way that those using AI like chatGPT to create posts on the forum are busted.

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This is a tool that is still in the development stage and we have not even seen anything from it because when it is finally developed, it is going to create a lot of havoc and problems to so many people. We might be enjoying the use now but this might cause more havoc to us in the future than good.

I think that many people have check it and they all serve it as well and also know the the functional importance of it maybe if it is not important I don't think that many people or people who put it in writing for others to know about we can discuss of each will bring it to the public their own suggestion

Several years have passed since individual scientists in the field of creating AI and just smart people guessed that AI can certainly pose a certain threat to human civilization. Even, if I'm not mistaken, either in the UK, or in the USA, they have already organized a special research center - the AI Protection Institute.
Now everyone is used to getting all the information from the Internet using search engines, Wikipedia and so on. However, it seems to me that a somewhat different process of clarifying information will gradually go on. The opposite process is when a person begins to be critical of what he read on the screen of a computer or mobile phone, or heard in a lecture recorded on YouTube. We are all used to intrusive and completely false advertising, and no one takes seriously the advantages of various goods and services that are shown to us for 1 minute under beautiful pictures. Here, people are immune to false information.

I think over time people will develop the same immunity to information from the Internet in general.
This will in particular limit the ambitions of AI.

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