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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 29, 2023, 03:27:48 PM

Any suspicious act of gamblers could be tracked by casinos so there's no way Chat GPT could destroy any casino games, especially poker. It's fine to rely on it sometimes in case we need help and guidance because of confusion but we should always use it as a tool to abuse the casino. The casino has the right and prerogative to ban or restrict abusive players anytime. It is better to enjoy the game using our own skills and strategy so we won't face the consequences in the future.

In the part of your comment I highlighted, I believe you meant to say that the chatbot shouldn't be used as a tool to abuse the casino..

Ha, ha, ha! Good catch!

You are right, the chatbot is a tool for learning and not a tool of abuse, I believe the developers who came up with this idea didn't do so with the intention that the program be used for abuse purposes, casinos have all the right to monitor and take appropriate actions on users who are caught abusing the casino through any means, not just with this Ai chatbot, this, I believe most of us already know.

However, I do think that there is a possibility that someone will eventually develop an AI specifically designed to beat casino games, which is a concern for the industry. As you mentioned, the development of AI technology is rapidly advancing, and there are already instances where AI has been used to beat human players in games like chess and Go.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 28, 2023, 01:08:35 PM

Quote from: Mauser on April 23, 2023, 01:46:57 AM

People will try to use AI for making profits, in gambling, or some other ways. I think some people are already deep into that... it's a question is it working for them or not? When it comes to poker, AI can't destroy it, and I am sure it will not work perfectly all the time... just like I have lucky and unlucky days, AI will have them too. And can you imagine a table with all AI players? In the end, someone needs to lose on that table... poker and cards can be crazy sometimes, I am not sure that AI is aware of that.

This is not worth risking big money and account with experiments like this.
I think that casinos would notice something strange is happening and that human is not playing this poker game, maybe even ban use of this, but AI bot would not mean more profit for player.
They can only learn and repeat what was done before and it is not easy to repeat that in poker games, with different players and stakes.

Its just that some gamblers do not know that many casinos are so smart that they have not detectors and if they find out that they have a particular customer that seems to be using not to book games and bet on there platform, they wouldn't waste time to block the account and make sure that the gamblers do not have access to the account because it break there terms and conditions.
Any person that want to use AI to bet on casino should do that on their own peril because many gambling casinos frown against the use of AI or bot on their platform.

Any suspicious act of gamblers could be tracked by casinos so there's no way Chat GPT could destroy any casino games, especially poker. It's fine to rely on it sometimes in case we need help and guidance because of confusion but we should always use it as a tool to abuse the casino. The casino has the right and prerogative to ban or restrict abusive players anytime. It is better to enjoy the game using our own skills and strategy so we won't face the consequences in the future.

In the part of your comment I highlighted, I believe you meant to say that the chatbot shouldn't be used as a tool to abuse the casino..

You are right, the chatbot is a tool for learning and not a tool of abuse, I believe the developers who came up with this idea didn't do so with the intention that the program be used for abuse purposes, casinos have all the right to monitor and take appropriate actions on users who are caught abusing the casino through any means, not just with this Ai chatbot, this, I believe most of us already know.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

I haven't used ChatGPT myself and don't know how it could be used in a gambling setup.

The way gambler use Chatgpt is simply asking for an advice for a probable steps that will increase the chance of winnings or decrease the losses.

Quote from: Mauser on April 23, 2023, 01:46:57 AM

There are also thousands of TV footage over the years from big tournaments that could be used to feed the AI with data. One question would be what kind of computer do you need for the AI to analyse so much data. On my old machine this would probably take a lifetime. Maybe NASA can offer us some supercomputers to run the data. As long as the AI can read the life gameplay data it could give us some strategy on how to play.

I do not think you need to run a supercomputer to have a reasonable amount of time for the AI to respond. Al just need is a huge chunk storage where data and information can be stored. Processing information isn't that slow since most of the computers today are fast enough for data processing, you can see how interenet provides us with answers and links in seconds whenever we search something.

Quote from: Mauser on April 23, 2023, 01:46:57 AM

But as most of the big tournaments are being played offline, I don't see any risk of AI taking over here.

There has been TV coverage of poker tournaments for more than 30 years, they have a lot of security in place so that people don't cheat. Even with the best strategy there is still randomness involved in poker, the AI doesn't know the exact cards of our opponents and therefore can't give us a 100% winning strategy. To a certain extent there will always be luck involved in poker.

I agree, AI cannot give us precise advice, I used chatgpt and asked AI what to move next, what it does is to tell whether my set of cards is strong or weak and advise accordingly. It tells you to fold when the card in hand is relatively weak and increase bet size if it is strong. ChatGPT also gives a situational possiblity of the opponent's card in hand according to the given flops. Most of the decision is made by the player, ChatGPT only give possible situations and the strength of the card in hand.

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Quote from: JooBra on April 29, 2023, 04:44:20 AM

Quote from: notblox1 on April 28, 2023, 01:08:35 PM

People will try to use AI for making profits, in gambling, or some other ways. I think some people are already deep into that... it's a question is it working for them or not? When it comes to poker, AI can't destroy it, and I am sure it will not work perfectly all the time... just like I have lucky and unlucky days, AI will have them too. And can you imagine a table with all AI players? In the end, someone needs to lose on that table... poker and cards can be crazy sometimes, I am not sure that AI is aware of that.

This is not worth risking big money and account with experiments like this.
I think that casinos would notice something strange is happening and that human is not playing this poker game, maybe even ban use of this, but AI bot would not mean more profit for player.
They can only learn and repeat what was done before and it is not easy to repeat that in poker games, with different players and stakes.

Its just that some gamblers do not know that many casinos are so smart that they have not detectors and if they find out that they have a particular customer that seems to be using not to book games and bet on there platform, they wouldn't waste time to block the account and make sure that the gamblers do not have access to the account because it break there terms and conditions.
Any person that want to use AI to bet on casino should do that on their own peril because many gambling casinos frown against the use of AI or bot on their platform.

Any suspicious act of gamblers could be tracked by casinos so there's no way Chat GPT could destroy any casino games, especially poker. It's fine to rely on it sometimes in case we need help and guidance because of confusion but we should always use it as a tool to abuse the casino. The casino has the right and prerogative to ban or restrict abusive players anytime. It is better to enjoy the game using our own skills and strategy so we won't face the consequences in the future.

I think casinos are safe from ChatGPT, the gambling systems are development for decades and are safe. Now only think that could change that are quantum computers since they are a different beast in global and big danger for aspects of life even for gambling.

For ChatGPT, Yes because it's a chatbot but it doesn't mean that systems are safe with in the use of AI. I'm pretty sure that in the future, Someone will develop an AI for primarily to beat out casino games. AI development today is hyper fast and no wonder if there's a developer that is trying to be rich in developing an gambling focused AI. I don't know what is the the connection of quantum computers, If we are talking about AI, A high spec computer can run an AI and it's computation I believe, there's no need for something like quantum computers.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 28, 2023, 01:08:35 PM

People will try to use AI for making profits, in gambling, or some other ways. I think some people are already deep into that... it's a question is it working for them or not? When it comes to poker, AI can't destroy it, and I am sure it will not work perfectly all the time... just like I have lucky and unlucky days, AI will have them too. And can you imagine a table with all AI players? In the end, someone needs to lose on that table... poker and cards can be crazy sometimes, I am not sure that AI is aware of that.

This is not worth risking big money and account with experiments like this.
I think that casinos would notice something strange is happening and that human is not playing this poker game, maybe even ban use of this, but AI bot would not mean more profit for player.
They can only learn and repeat what was done before and it is not easy to repeat that in poker games, with different players and stakes.

Its just that some gamblers do not know that many casinos are so smart that they have not detectors and if they find out that they have a particular customer that seems to be using not to book games and bet on there platform, they wouldn't waste time to block the account and make sure that the gamblers do not have access to the account because it break there terms and conditions.
Any person that want to use AI to bet on casino should do that on their own peril because many gambling casinos frown against the use of AI or bot on their platform.

Any suspicious act of gamblers could be tracked by casinos so there's no way Chat GPT could destroy any casino games, especially poker. It's fine to rely on it sometimes in case we need help and guidance because of confusion but we should always use it as a tool to abuse the casino. The casino has the right and prerogative to ban or restrict abusive players anytime. It is better to enjoy the game using our own skills and strategy so we won't face the consequences in the future.

I think casinos are safe from ChatGPT, the gambling systems are development for decades and are safe. Now only think that could change that are quantum computers since they are a different beast in global and big danger for aspects of life even for gambling.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 28, 2023, 01:08:35 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on April 28, 2023, 01:08:35 PM

People will try to use AI for making profits, in gambling, or some other ways. I think some people are already deep into that... it's a question is it working for them or not? When it comes to poker, AI can't destroy it, and I am sure it will not work perfectly all the time... just like I have lucky and unlucky days, AI will have them too. And can you imagine a table with all AI players? In the end, someone needs to lose on that table... poker and cards can be crazy sometimes, I am not sure that AI is aware of that.

This is not worth risking big money and account with experiments like this.
I think that casinos would notice something strange is happening and that human is not playing this poker game, maybe even ban use of this, but AI bot would not mean more profit for player.
They can only learn and repeat what was done before and it is not easy to repeat that in poker games, with different players and stakes.

Its just that some gamblers do not know that many casinos are so smart that they have not detectors and if they find out that they have a particular customer that seems to be using not to book games and bet on there platform, they wouldn't waste time to block the account and make sure that the gamblers do not have access to the account because it break there terms and conditions.
Any person that want to use AI to bet on casino should do that on their own peril because many gambling casinos frown against the use of AI or bot on their platform.

Any suspicious act of gamblers could be tracked by casinos so there's no way Chat GPT could destroy any casino games, especially poker. It's fine to rely on it sometimes in case we need help and guidance because of confusion but we should always use it as a tool to abuse the casino. The casino has the right and prerogative to ban or restrict abusive players anytime. It is better to enjoy the game using our own skills and strategy so we won't face the consequences in the future.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on April 28, 2023, 02:42:07 PM

People will try to use AI for making profits, in gambling, or some other ways. I think some people are already deep into that... it's a question is it working for them or not? When it comes to poker, AI can't destroy it, and I am sure it will not work perfectly all the time... just like I have lucky and unlucky days, AI will have them too. And can you imagine a table with all AI players? In the end, someone needs to lose on that table... poker and cards can be crazy sometimes, I am not sure that AI is aware of that.

This is not worth risking big money and account with experiments like this.
I think that casinos would notice something strange is happening and that human is not playing this poker game, maybe even ban use of this, but AI bot would not mean more profit for player.
They can only learn and repeat what was done before and it is not easy to repeat that in poker games, with different players and stakes.

Its just that some gamblers do not know that many casinos are so smart that they have not detectors and if they find out that they have a particular customer that seems to be using not to book games and bet on there platform, they wouldn't waste time to block the account and make sure that the gamblers do not have access to the account because it break there terms and conditions.
Any person that want to use AI to bet on casino should do that on there own peril because many gambling casinos frown against the use of AI or bot on there platform.

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Chatgpt it's just a text generator. I don't see how it can help poker players. You can ask Chatgpt what your opponent's hand is and it will text you a completely random answer. If you want to lose your poker money as quickly as possible, ask Chatgpt how to do it.

Chatgpt isn't just a text generator. It usually analyze the content and the question in it. It gives answers according to the data input that has connection to the given topic. Like for example, if we ask about gambling and wanted to see list of chance-based gambling games, the program will analyze the question and give answer according to the identified question. Same goes on how it give advise while playing online poker. As the player give the situation and cards on play, ChatGTP will analyze the situation according to the given scenario and generates possible best choices and the possible out put of these choices.

Obviously asking for impossible will lead you to have a null answer since I am sure Chatgpt will answer you that he is incapable of guessing your opponents hand. Grin

I somehow thinks Chatgpt can increase the possibility of winning due to its advices and options of choices but I do not think that Chatgpt can destroy poker online due to the limited function of Chatgpt like not knowing precisely the next event.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on April 28, 2023, 02:42:07 PM

Chatgpt it's just a text generator. I don't see how it can help poker players. You can ask Chatgpt what your opponent's hand is and it will text you a completely random answer. If you want to lose your poker money as quickly as possible, ask Chatgpt how to do it.

They maybe evolving and we don't know in the future what are their capabilities.
But for now, human poker players still have the advantage over AI.
It still doesn't know a lot of human expressions, and besides, how can they have facial expressions to begin with?
But for sure AI developers will try their hands on on every game to see how they can deploy AI to gain lots of money.
And also, AI will only be for online games. They won't be in the face-to-face tournaments. So there's no worry for poker players out there.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

I have no ideas about Chat GPT impact directly, but I do know that many AI technologies are being used to analyze vast amounts of data and improve decision-making processes. In theory, this could provide an advantage in online poker.

However, gambling is not just about patterns and strategies, it also involves human thinking and intuition. These are factors that cannot be replicated by AI. Additionally, AI is a relatively new technology, and there are currently no established laws governing its use in gambling. However, many online poker sites are taking measures to detect and prevent the use of AI tools by players. As such, I believe that Chat GPT can't destroy online poker

I am in agreement that when they train with the plays of the poker masters they can play very well, and if so they can apply it to all the games, like 21 and dice, all that can occur to them, this is something what may be happening and they can already apply it, and some poker tournaments we may be facing the AI, this is somewhat frustrating because I have done some poker courses, I have no experience and if one faces an AI without knowing it, It is something that is not fair, but how does a platform realize that it is an AI and not a human? if they are so similar.

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Chatgpt it's just a text generator. I don't see how it can help poker players. You can ask Chatgpt what your opponent's hand is and it will text you a completely random answer. If you want to lose your poker money as quickly as possible, ask Chatgpt how to do it.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on April 28, 2023, 02:04:14 PM

I think it can be trained and it can potentially be good at gambling for you, similar to the way much "dumber" trading bots work to make money on exchanges.

I advise you to read about the starcraft AI that was taught to play over the course of a a few months, by constantly being put against stronger and stronger opponents. At some point the AI formed strategies that worked best and continued to even alternate between them so that the opponents wouldn't be able to learn its style and predict its moves. Ultimately it was able to win against the best pro players in the world. If you can teach a bot to do that, surely you can teach it to play poker.

It has already been done and that poker AI is better than humans, however such a thing is probably not available for purchase for those which may like to use it to beat their opponents online, however someone with enough knowledge about poker and AI could create their own AI dedicated to poker, and while it is unlikely it will be as good as the AI which can beat poker champions, it does not really need to, since as long as it could beat relatively good players it could be enough for someone to make money with such project.

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I think it can be trained and it can potentially be good at gambling for you, similar to the way much "dumber" trading bots work to make money on exchanges.

I advise you to read about the starcraft AI that was taught to play over the course of a a few months, by constantly being put against stronger and stronger opponents. At some point the AI formed strategies that worked best and continued to even alternate between them so that the opponents wouldn't be able to learn its style and predict its moves. Ultimately it was able to win against the best pro players in the world. If you can teach a bot to do that, surely you can teach it to play poker.

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If anyone wanted to see a sample on how chatgpt advices a player on a poker you can watch this short video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMxhM_Q5H9g.

As far as I understand how it works, Chatgpt (according to the given video) chatgpt uses the probability approach depending on the open card and the cards in your hand. I can say it is not that much reliable because of the possibility and error which is given on what cards the other player holds. In the example, chatgpt analyzed the cards and give options of advice and does not directly tell the person what to do. So the player have to choose on the given option and the strong point here is that Chatgpt is susceptible to bluff since it can read bluff as strong approach and may give the user and option to fold or may give option for player to call when a strong hand bluffed as weak hand.

So with the given scenario and example on the video, I do not think ChatGPT can destroy poker online gambling.

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